Gian-Luca Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 1-1 draw in Toronto (goal by Marosevic), which keeps Toronto alive heading into the last game in mid-late October. If Dallas wins against Tauro in Panama Considering the depleted line-up with TFC had to field tonight (which only got more depleted as the night wore on - Koevermans taken off at the half for some reason & Eckersley went out injured in the 2nd with Frings, Dunfield, Your ass suspended and Plata still injured (not to mention Cann, Williams and Lindsay if we want to get technical) this wasn't a bad result or performance. No Avila either given his cup-tied-ness. A lot of young players played in this game for TFC. Regardless of whether TFC goes through to the next round, you have to like that so many young players (including a trio of young Canucks) are gaining invaluable experience. Stinson & Morgan went 90 (as did De Guz) while Henry played the 2nd half and made a game saving tackle to preserve the point off the dude that got a Hatrick against us in Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Makes me wonder, as speculated elsewhere, if Stinson is in the running for one of the fall MNT camps. What do you TFC fans make of his game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I didn't get a chance to watch this game. How did Stinson, Morgan and Henry play? I hope Winter can add the missing pieces to make the attack potent next year. Right now, too often, TFC just don't look very threatening in long stretches of many games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Makes me wonder, as speculated elsewhere, if Stinson is in the running for one of the fall MNT camps. What do you TFC fans make of his game? Well if he pushes above Dunfield at club level I don't see why not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Agreed. If Stinson is first choice for TFC ahead of Dunfield that pretty is that for CMNT call-ups as well. Don Henry played??? That's fantastic... Also - although very young....on the topic of prospects; Any updates on Aleman and Gage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Makes me wonder, as speculated elsewhere, if Stinson is in the running for one of the fall MNT camps. What do you TFC fans make of his game? Gritty, ballsy young player who is equally unafraid to go in for the tackle as he is to take a screamer on goal. He's still very raw, of course, but he has great instincts and can play the box-to-box role quite well already. He combines well with Frings and JDG in the midfield, and has seemingly made Dunfield redundant. One thing I'd be concerned of is his enthusiasm when defending. What I mean is that he can be very rash at times, which may not go so well in CONCACAF. That said, he's escaped the ref's ire in a number of CCL games thus far, so perhaps he's learning to walk that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I really like Stinson's athleticism (much better than Dunfield's). He's quick with good range and he won a number of 1 v 1 battles this evening with his quickness and challenging. His play on the ball is a work in progress IMO: he sometimes shows too much of the ball to opponents and gets caught in possession and I'm not sure how his passing skills will develop in the future. That's what will take him to the next level as midfielder. I was only able to watch shorter segments of this match on the computer but I though JDG did well this evening. I didn't see the tying goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 It should be noted that Winter doesn't typically use Stinson in the same position as Dunfield, as he often pushes him out wide right. Dunfield only is only played centrally, which makes sense as he's not really got the wheels to play on the wing in a midfield 4 or a back 5 (which was the case for Stinson last night). So I'm not sure why people are suggesting that he's replaced or supplanted Dunfield - Terry's only "problem" (in terms of starting regularly) is that he's a $65,000 player who has got two DP's starting ahead of him in the two spots on the field he's best suited for. I think that has much more to do with it than Stinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Gritty, ballsy young player who is equally unafraid to go in for the tackle as he is to take a screamer on goal. He's still very raw, of course, but he has great instincts and can play the box-to-box role quite well already. He combines well with Frings and JDG in the midfield, and has seemingly made Dunfield redundant. One thing I'd be concerned of is his enthusiasm when defending. What I mean is that he can be very rash at times, which may not go so well in CONCACAF. That said, he's escaped the ref's ire in a number of CCL games thus far, so perhaps he's learning to walk that line. Yes, this is the identical assessment that i have reached. A lot of upside but very raw. Right now, Morgan is closer and better bet for the national team but in a year, or two or three, Stinson could be a lock and more impactfull than Morgan. Its that ability to go box to box and, at the same time be tenacious in ball winning, that you got to really like. Thats a bit of rare combination. He has been a bit unlucky in that he has been victimized by some attrocious calls from refs in CCL that resulted in him getting yellow cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Is just a little over 9,000 attendance for this game disappointing or was it expected for this competition Do TFC fans see value in the CCL or is getting to the CCL (Voyageurs Cup) more important? Not judging just asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Highlights Brief, but worth showing. Not exactly flattering Iro but then again, what does? Thought Guz, amongst others, had a great match by the way. Given the start a pretty fair result in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Is just a little over 9,000 attendance for this game disappointing or was it expected for this competition Do TFC fans see value in the CCL or is getting to the CCL (Voyageurs Cup) more important? Not judging just asking. Aside from the supporters sections, none of season tickets holders are execising their option to buy the CCL ticket package, which is sold separately from league and Voyageurs cup games. My read and take ( from talking to various people) is that the reasons they opting out is mostly financial and that they feel that they dont want to go beyond (financially) their committemnt that they have made for the season tickets. The solution might be this: Sell the Concacaf CL packeage totally separately and market it and target a new and different audience. That would IMO solve the problem. That way if you are and SSH, they you dont get the option to buy your seat(s), you would just have to buy a whole new package just like everybody else. And, the CCL, IMO does have a great deal of appeal to certain communities here in the city and we are seeing hints of it but they are not making the efforts to reach out to them. i mised the Pumas goal last night becasue i had to leave but honnestly, i think i could live with (in CCL case only, not NT of course) a few more foreign support if it meant a better atmosphere and wipped up interest in the rest of the fans in the long run. I dont believe that they are really busting their butts to sell tickets for the CCL and seeing whats happening at other MLS venues for CCL. Right now they are just targeting the SSH audience. and when they realise that few have bought, they run their ad campaigns in the media. Well thats a bit late and its an unplanned and ad hoc way of going about it IMHO. PS.: in ten years of posting here, i never thought i would end up saying "I could live with a little more visitors supporters" at a soccer game in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Is just a little over 9,000 attendance for this game disappointing or was it expected for this competition Do TFC fans see value in the CCL or is getting to the CCL (Voyageurs Cup) more important? Not judging just asking. I find a lot of people don't understand/appreciate the significance of the CCL games. This doesn't seem to be a problem with the V-Cup games, but I've lost track of the number of times that I've tried to explain what the Concacaf Champions League is, sometimes to the same people over and over again. A lot of season ticket holders don't seemingly feel the need to spend more money on these games and the average sporting fan (that might represent the new market that Free Kick is talking about) is seemingly clueless and incapable of picking up clues. I think TFC (or another Canadian team) needs a deep run in this competition to hammer the point home for some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 By the way, Daniel Girard & the Toronto Star are reporting "TFC no longer controls their own fate in Concacaf" (that's the headline in the Star) on the basis that Dallas has a plus 3 goal differential over TFC in the competition. But the first tie-breaker is head to head goals for & against between the two teams. If TFC wins 2-0 or even 2-1 (because away goals is the 2nd tie-breaker) they would advance over Dallas no matter what they do tonight in Panama. Still a tall order as they haven't beaten Dallas in centuries and I'm not sure they ever have in Dallas, but maybe they are overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Nick Stinson (loved that one by Broadhead) and De Guz played well. Morgan seems to be the only player who can deliver a decent cross from the left. Martina doesn't seem to have value anymore, he was slow and couldn't beat anyone last night. I think Kocic should have had that goal. He got enough of his hand on it that he should have been able to push it laterally. Oh well. I believe we can beat Dallas in Dallas. I'm starting to believe in this team more and more. Any idea what happened to Koef? During the broadcast they said he wasn't "feeling well." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Is just a little over 9,000 attendance for this game disappointing or was it expected for this competition Do TFC fans see value in the CCL or is getting to the CCL (Voyageurs Cup) more important? Not judging just asking. The CCL just doesn't resonate outside of the hardcore support. It doesn't bother me too much, as those who do show tend to be more enthusiastic than the average fan. Also, it's not a phenomenon restricted to Toronto -- even Seattle only gets around 10,000 for these CCL group games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 . A lot of season ticket holders don't seemingly feel the need to spend more money on these games and the average sporting fan (that might represent the new market that Free Kick is talking about) is seemingly clueless and incapable of picking up clues. It wasnt the average sporting fan that i was thinking about but rather the demographic with central and south american roots and or the the really soccer literate demographic who followed CL from overseas but is not a SSH. I noticed, espacially last night, that when a mexican side or an honduran side comes to town, you do see alot of their clubs jerseys in the stands. I'll bet that there is many more out there with roots from these region who either like or dislike the visting side comming in. But how much do they know about the event? My guess is that they are probably unaware of the match or the CCL is still a new phenomena even for central americans and mexican fans. It seems that even the mexican clubs dont draw very well for CCL in their home games. Its true that this event doesnt resonate well with the fans. But it seems to be a phenomena in the whole of concacaf. I think it takes time to grow in prestige but there are a lot things that Concacaf and even the clubs like TFC could do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 It should be noted that Winter doesn't typically use Stinson in the same position as Dunfield, as he often pushes him out wide right. Dunfield only is only played centrally, which makes sense as he's not really got the wheels to play on the wing in a midfield 4 or a back 5 (which was the case for Stinson last night). So I'm not sure why people are suggesting that he's replaced or supplanted Dunfield - Terry's only "problem" (in terms of starting regularly) is that he's a $65,000 player who has got two DP's starting ahead of him in the two spots on the field he's best suited for. I think that has much more to do with it than Stinson. That's true about Dunfield and Stinson regarding how they are used. Stinson has done well because his strengths (engine room) are maximized in his current role. Dunfield's got a keep-the-ball-rolling possession passing mentality for which as a holding mid he has sometimes been maligned but I don't mind his style of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklefan Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I'm surprised to find out that yesterday Tauro defeated Dallas 5 - 3. In the end the result means little to TFC as a draw will eliminate the team. Next CCL game is in October 18. Now that I'm convinced that TFC won't make the playoffs in MLS (after the 0-3 loss against Chivas USA) it would be wise from Winter to rest the regulars when they are going to play 3 days earlier against Philadelphia. Regarding the game against Pumas, I was a little disappointed by the fact that Winter did sub Koevermans, the best striker, for Henry, a defender, just after half time. It was too soon IMO to make a tactical change in the formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 I'm surprised to find out that yesterday Tauro defeated Dallas 5 - 3. In the end the result means little to TFC as a draw will eliminate the team. The difference is that if Dallas had won TFC would have needed to score at least two goals (on the road) against them in their victory. Now they only need to win 1-0 and they can go through, which I think is that much more attainable and will change the mindset that you have to go in and score at least two against them. Plus Dallas got two guys red-carded in the game (though neither were key players from what I can tell) while TFC should see the return of half their cavalry (assuming they don't get injured between now and the 18th of October). Its great that they still will have something to play for as late as October 18th, which I think is the latest calendar-wise that this has been the case (though maybe the NY game a couple of seasons ago was later than that in the season, I think the season ended earlier). It will be the biggest game for TFC since that NY game in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 ^^ hopefully a different outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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