argh1 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 We recently had Northern Ireland play Faroe Islands as constituent countries within the UK and Denmark. Would that be so different than Qiuebec vs Newfoundland and Labrador? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Strangley not. Northern Ireland is a founding member of International Football Association Board. and as such has been around longer than FIFA. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Football_Association_Board) Luxembourge V Lichtenstien or Andora would be closer to the mark However. It may be a suprise to some, but outside of the "Home Nations"; those been England Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. the Oldest Football association is.....Canada! (The Dominian Football Association) As someone once said to George 'Besty' Best. "where did it all go wrong?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Luxembourge V Lichtenstien or Andora would be closer to the mark However.No, those are all fully independent nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Okay then San Marino? Should Monaco be in the french League? Both are Independent Principalities The Caribean nations play cricket as the west Indies. Sould Trinidad and tobago be one with Jamaca in football? End of the Day you apparently dont like that fact that the game was invented and defined by the British. As for Luxembourgh Lichtenstien and Andora been Independent nations, I prefer the term secessionist Tax Haven. Which is actually the reasons for them having "Nationa"l teams in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Strangley not. Northern Ireland is a founding member of International Football Association Board. and as such has been around longer than FIFA. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Football_Association_Board) Luxembourge V Lichtenstien or Andora would be closer to the mark However. It may be a suprise to some, but outside of the "Home Nations"; those been England Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. the Oldest Football association is.....Canada! (The Dominian Football Association) As someone once said to George 'Besty' Best. "where did it all go wrong?" Actually the Philippine's Football Federation dates back to 1907 and Canada's is from 1912. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Actually the Philippine's Football Federation dates back to 1907 and Canada's is from 1912. Sorry beg to differ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_in_Canada#History "One of the earliest recorded games was played in Toronto in 1859 between the St. George's Society and a team of Irishmen. Games were played in New Westminster in 1862 and in Victoria in 1865. The first game played under modern rules took place in Toronto in 1876, after which the Dominion Football Association, the first recorded Football Association outside the British Isles,[2] was formed in Toronto in 1877 to foster competition between local sides." Okay Canadian associations a bit of a sweeping statement but I did state dominion in my first comment. Still think DJT hates the brits though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I was just going by what I read on the internet. "The founding meeting of the Dominion of Canada Football Association took place on May 24, 1912." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I was just going by what I read on the internet. "The founding meeting of the Dominion of Canada Football Association took place on May 24, 1912." Yes it does get confusing. By 1912 Canada had already won the Olympic gold medal (1904) but I think that was because Gault FC had been granted inclusion as they were part Of the Dominion Association. Acting as that time as the Defacto Canadian association. I presume that the IFAB had granted them the concession to do so. FIFA only formed in 1904 and did not organise the Olympic tournament until 1908. Until then alot of the IOC stuff was still based upon Individuals and not national represenation. However to get back to the Point Northern Ireland is a founding member of the IFAB. and it has a totally Independent 'Proffesional" Club based League system. Personaly I would say If you havent beaten Northern Ireland you can rightly question their International legitamacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 I think St Pierre et Miquelon should have a national team. As a semi-autonomous department of France................. and we might/maybe be able to beat them Okay the only thing I know about St Pierre et Miquelon is that it is like 10 miles south of Newfoundland and that Hockey Canada decided that it's players are not Euro imports but treated as Atantic players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I think St Pierre et Miquelon should have a national team. As a semi-autonomous department of France................. and we might/maybe be able to beat them Okay the only thing I know about St Pierre et Miquelon is that it is like 10 miles south of Newfoundland and that Hockey Canada decided that it's players are not Euro imports but treated as Atantic players. Now heres intresting... (to use a little Welsh dialect) Puerto Rico has representation in all international competitions including the Summer and Winter Olympics, the Pan American Games, the Caribbean World Series, and the Central American and Caribbean Games. Puerto Rican athletes have won six medals (one silver, five bronze) in Olympic competition, the first one in 1948 by boxer Juan Evangelista Venegas. ....Puerto Rico is also a member of FIFA and CONCACAF......But....Puerto Rico is A dependent Territory of the USA. [an] Unincorporated organized territory of the U.S. with commonwealth status; policy relations between Puerto Rico and the U.S. conducted under the jurisdiction of the Office of the President. So a game between the USA and Puerto Rico (it could happen ;-)) would be, in this anaysis, be similar to Denmark v Faroe Islands. ...dont ya just love Wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brethers Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Great Britain should technically play as a national football team, none of the England Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland stuff. But as they were the inventors of the sport we know it as today, they basically set themselves up like they are to be able to play each other. Then as the game spread they stuck as they were in their different associations. This is why they have the gentleman's agreement in place where a British player can't play for any British "country." I'll use Ryan Giggs as one example. He played for England schoolboys, because he went to school in England. But he is Welsh, he has no English roots. This means he can only play for Wales, despite the fact that he is British which would technically make him English as well, if that makes sense. The case of Andrew Driver wanting to play for Scotland reopened all this mess a couple of years back. He's English, no Scottish roots which would allow him to play. But he had been playing in the Scotland Premier League for at least 5 years, so the SFA asked FIFA if he could represent them. They said no, and it was again due to this gentleman's agreement. The person needs at least 5 years of schooling in the country to be able to represent them (I think). So if Driver had been in full time education in Scotland for 5 years he could class himself as Scottish to FIFA and so play for Scotland. This is also a factor in why team GB don't send a football team to the Olympics, it would break this agreement they have. And this is also why there is a commotion over the upcoming olympic football team. The football associations of the "smaller" nations want assurances that they won't breach the agreement and thus put their own and their players international future at risk. Anywho, that's why Northern Ireland play as Northern Ireland. And I assume that the Faroe Islands is something similar to how we are in the British commonwealth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 Great Britain should technically play as a national football team, none of the England Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland stuff. But as they were the inventors of the sport we know it as today, they basically set themselves up like they are to be able to play each other. Then as the game spread they stuck as they were in their different associations. This is why they have the gentleman's agreement in place where a British player can't play for any British "country." I'll use Ryan Giggs as one example. He played for England schoolboys, because he went to school in England. But he is Welsh, he has no English roots. This means he can only play for Wales, despite the fact that he is British which would technically make him English as well, if that makes sense. The case of Andrew Driver wanting to play for Scotland reopened all this mess a couple of years back. He's English, no Scottish roots which would allow him to play. But he had been playing in the Scotland Premier League for at least 5 years, so the SFA asked FIFA if he could represent them. They said no, and it was again due to this gentleman's agreement. The person needs at least 5 years of schooling in the country to be able to represent them (I think). So if Driver had been in full time education in Scotland for 5 years he could class himself as Scottish to FIFA and so play for Scotland. This is also a factor in why team GB don't send a football team to the Olympics, it would break this agreement they have. And this is also why there is a commotion over the upcoming olympic football team. The football associations of the "smaller" nations want assurances that they won't breach the agreement and thus put their own and their players international future at risk. Anywho, that's why Northern Ireland play as Northern Ireland. And I assume that the Faroe Islands is something similar to how we are in the British commonwealth? Ya but most Canadians don't view the Commonwealth any higher than la Francophonie, or the Pacific Rim, or the OAS (Pan-Am) it's just another multi-national association that we belong to. The so called HOME NATIONS really are falling into the category of Guam, Puerto Rico, US/British Virgin Islands, French Guiana, Aruba etc, Kinda almost nations. EDIT: Okay... I'm just trolling trying to get ex-pats going..............but then again............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brethers Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Im confused, did I fall for the troll or not? haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Ya but most Canadians don't view the Commonwealth any higher than la Francophonie, or the Pacific Rim, or the OAS (Pan-Am) it's just another multi-national association that we belong to. The so called HOME NATIONS really are falling into the category of Guam, Puerto Rico, US/British Virgin Islands, French Guiana, Aruba etc, Kinda almost nations. EDIT: Okay... I'm just trolling trying to get ex-pats going..............but then again............ Theres plenty of the British Olympic committe who can do that. GB gave up on a UK team back in the 1970 when the disticton between amature and professionals died. But these idiots decided to Trail their Olympic bid with the football included without thought for the ramifications onthe fans (suprise suprise) Honestly anyone you hear who says they like the Idea of is probably a Rugger fan anyway! that or Welsh... The very thought of Combining England and Scotland together as a unified entity....Hoots Mon 'tis the end o the wurld! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munseahawk Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Theres plenty of the British Olympic committe who can do that. GB gave up on a UK team back in the 1970 when the disticton between amature and professionals died. But these idiots decided to Trail their Olympic bid with the football included without thought for the ramifications onthe fans (suprise suprise) Honestly anyone you hear who says they like the Idea of is probably a Rugger fan anyway! that or Welsh... The very thought of Combining England and Scotland together as a unified entity....Hoots Mon 'tis the end o the wurld! Rugby 7s has been added to the Olympic program. We'll see this issue raised all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brethers Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Theres plenty of the British Olympic committe who can do that. GB gave up on a UK team back in the 1970 when the disticton between amature and professionals died. But these idiots decided to Trail their Olympic bid with the football included without thought for the ramifications onthe fans (suprise suprise) Honestly anyone you hear who says they like the Idea of is probably a Rugger fan anyway! that or Welsh... The very thought of Combining England and Scotland together as a unified entity....Hoots Mon 'tis the end o the wurld! To be fair though, I actually wouldn't mind a GB team if they could combine the teams in a way where each nation is represented fairly. I think it's more the Scots, Welsh and Irish (mainly the first two) who have the problem with being united with England. It's not our fault they're ****! haha.They just severely dislike being associated with England, hence all the separatists they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Rugby 7s has been added to the Olympic program. We'll see this issue raised all over again. They have a precedent for combined teams in rugby called the British Lions, but this is skewed with the Inclusion of Eire/ROI. However I would probably watch the 7. I actually dont /never have liked the Idea of an Olympic footy tournament. It was effectivly neutralized by the World cup in 1930 and should have stayed that way. Same with Golf and Tennis. Actually same with he Olympics per say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brethers Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 The Olympic football tournament would be better if they had kept it to amateur status, would potentially unearth so good players and would give more people a chance to represent their country. Very hard to implement well though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 The Olympic football tournament would be better if they had kept it to amateur status, would potentially unearth so good players and would give more people a chance to represent their country. Very hard to implement well though Perticulary now with FIFA's (money grabbing) paws all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brethers Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Perticulary now with FIFA's (money grabbing) paws all over it. Yeah, which is a real shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hectorj Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 CONCACAF, much to Jack Warner's past benefit, is full of protectorates and dependencies. US Virgin Islands British Virgin Islands Martinique (Fr) Guadeloupe (Fr) Anguilla (GB) Montserrat (GB) Puerto Rico (USA) Curacao (Neth) Aruba (Neth) Sint Maarten/Saba/Statia (Netherlands Antilles?) Turks and Caicos (gb) Bermuda (GB) Cayman Islands (GB) St. Pierre and Miquelon like Martinique, St Barts, St. Martin and Guadeloupe are all considered departments of France and many of their best have made the national team. Is it FIFA or the French that do not want them to form their own "national" teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 One of the strange anomalies in sports in Canada......yeah, yeah that H game. Why does Hockey Canada consider players from St Pierre et Miquelon and Iles de la Madeleine (Qc) non-imports when playing for Atlantic teams but in Northern NB a player from Bas St Laurent or Gaspe is??? Ah.......the minds of governing bodies boogles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 One of the strange anomalies in sports in Canada......yeah, yeah that H game. Why does Hockey Canada consider players from St Pierre et Miquelon and Iles de la Madeleine (Qc) non-imports when playing for Atlantic teams but in Northern NB a player from Bas St Laurent or Gaspe is??? Ah.......the minds of governing bodies boogles. "Football is a simple game, complicated by players and made ungovernable by associations" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brethers Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 CONCACAF, much to Jack Warner's past benefit, is full of protectorates and dependencies. US Virgin Islands British Virgin Islands Martinique (Fr) Guadeloupe (Fr) Anguilla (GB) Montserrat (GB) Puerto Rico (USA) Curacao (Neth) Aruba (Neth) Sint Maarten/Saba/Statia (Netherlands Antilles?) Turks and Caicos (gb) Bermuda (GB) Cayman Islands (GB) St. Pierre and Miquelon like Martinique, St Barts, St. Martin and Guadeloupe are all considered departments of France and many of their best have made the national team. Is it FIFA or the French that do not want them to form their own "national" teams? I am quite possibly mistaken, but I think it's because those are French colonies as opposed to actual recognised nations. So I guess that means FIFA says they aren't allowed a team instead of France, and France just reap the rewards greatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I am quite possibly mistaken, but I think it's because those are French colonies as opposed to actual recognised nations. So I guess that means FIFA says they aren't allowed a team instead of France, and France just reap the rewards greatly. Just to confuse the issue further... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_Hogges ..."Bermuda Hogges is a Bermudian soccer team based in Hamilton, Bermuda [-a British Protectorate-]. Founded in 2006, the team plays in the USL Premier Development League (PDL), the fourth tier of the American Soccer Pyramid, in the Mid Atlantic Division of the Eastern Conference." Bermuda participates as a sovereigne nation in the Olympics. Work that one out fifa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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