lattes Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Didn't realize it was that early, so fair enough I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 At the same time, I think we put too much stock in the idea of "leaving Canada". Especially at the ages of 12, 13, 14, they would still be spending a lot time in Canada. Holiday seasons and the entire summer/offeason I'm thinking. Family is usually still here, and I assume Canada is 'home' for the player from the clubs' point of view as well. It is not like they leave at 12 and never return to Canada ever again lol. We are not talking about 19th century immigration! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lattes Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Ya, but if you move somewhere at 12 that is pretty much 'home' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 ^ Damn this kid can play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtlfan Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 He just scored a wonderful goal, against Norwich........49th Minute 2-0 Blackburn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 He just scored a wonderful goal, against Norwich........49th Minute 2-0 Blackburn That was brilliant wasn't it? (Wipes away drool). On the broadcast they mentioned that Hoilett had been in the Blackburn system since he was 13. Is crossing fingers the same as down on knees begging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I don't like that kids like Jono have decided not to play for Canada for what ever reason but I don't blame them. As a young adult they probably don't even have many memories of being in Canada before the age of 10 or 11. Some of these kids like Junior have extended family over there and I'm sure that makes it even more like "home." David Edgar, who went over to Newcastle at age 14 or 15 IIRC, has talked about how hard it was for him because he didn't travel back to Canada for holidays, which in turn probably made him "feel more" Canadian. I would imagine if Jono or Junior went over to Europe in their mid teens they would have developed a deeper connection with Canada and we wouldn't be having these discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I don't like that kids like Jono have decided not to play for Canada for what ever reason but I don't blame them. As a young adult they probably don't even have many memories of being in Canada before the age of 10 or 11. Some of these kids like Junior have extended family over there and I'm sure that makes it even more like "home." David Edgar, who went over to Newcastle at age 14 or 15 IIRC, has talked about how hard it was for him because he didn't travel back to Canada for holidays, which in turn probably made him "feel more" Canadian. I would imagine if Jono or Junior went over to Europe in their mid teens they would have developed a deeper connection with Canada and we wouldn't be having these discussions. Junior went overseas for the first time at 13. That is pretty much all his formative years in Canada. As mentioned, he would have travelled back to Canada often as well. Also he wasn't in England the entire time. IIRC, he spent some time in Germany as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Junior went overseas for the first time at 13. That is pretty much all his formative years in Canada. As mentioned, he would have travelled back to Canada often as well. Also he wasn't in England the entire time. IIRC, he spent some time in Germany as well. Yeah, but England have a really good national team compared to Canada, so he has a stronger cultural connection with them...."opportunism" is a culture, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lattes Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Junior went overseas for the first time at 13. That is pretty much all his formative years in Canada. As mentioned, he would have travelled back to Canada often as well. Also he wasn't in England the entire time. IIRC, he spent some time in Germany as well. Don't agree on 'formative years' my life at 13-18 had more of an impact on who I am today than 8-13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Don't agree on 'formative years' my life at 13-18 had more of an impact on who I am today than 8-13. 8-13? How about 0-13? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I would imagine if Jono or Junior went over to Europe in their mid teens they would have developed a deeper connection with Canada and we wouldn't be having these discussions. I don't think cultural connection counts for much in this modern era of mercenary football. The factors weighed were more likely visa benefits, travel time and the chances of reaching a World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miche Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 For someone playing in England, the reasons to choose England over Canada are numerous and obvious. The only reasons I would see someone choose Canada is a patriotic connection, or the simple fact that you are much more likely to get playing time in Canada. And I think the latter will be the key for Junior. A few of his recent quotes and actions, posted in this thread, have shown he's not patriotically dying to play for Canada. Personally, I lived in Canada for 27 years and was very patriotic when I left for Scotland three years ago. Now, seeing the soccer culture here in the UK, getting immersed in it... all my friends are Scots, I work with Brits, etc... In just three years I feel differently about how I once felt about Canada. I still love the place and check these forums every day, but I've just kinda stopped thinking about it, out of sight out of mind I guess. If I lived here in the UK for ten years, since the age of 13, I sadly admit I strongly doubt I'd still want to play for Canada, or at least wouldn't choose Canada solely for patriotism. The decision for me, as I think it will be for Junior, will come down to whether or not I'll get the playing time in England. There's so many young stars for England at his position, getting cap-screwed is absolutely a risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 The only reasons I would see someone choose Canada is a patriotic connection Which is the precise reason anyone is supposed to play international football in the first place even if it is too seldom the case these days. Sometimes I think they should just cancel the charade of international play entirely and replace it with a club level international champions league which would more accurately reflect what international football has become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brethers Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) I have to say having lived in Canada until I was 10 and then moving to England has made me feel more Canadian. I feel so patriotic about Canada and go on about them to any of my friends who make the mistake of standing still long enough. This is what makes it hard for me to accept people saying well maybe they don't feel Canadian having been out of the country so long. I agree with Grizzly, patriotisim is the reason you play for your country even if they are naff as anything. You're from there so you represent them, simple as Edited April 23, 2012 by Brethers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villus Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 A lot of talk of Arsenal going after Junior. Sounds a bit crazy at first, but if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. Hoilett's game is taylor made for the formation that Arsenal play and he can play in either of the 2 wide rolls, hes young and has plenty of offensive ability but is still raw and that system would maximize his qualities. Also Wenger is notorious at picking up bargains so getting Hoilett on a free would provide that. Overall I think this will be great for Junior's career, even if he does'nt get a ton of minutes at first he will learn his trade and be in a proven developmental juggernaut that seems to pump out good young attacking players. I don't think this will necessarily help us in getting him to represent Canada, but if he does represent Canada this would be very big for our program, having a good exciting player in one of the biggest most covered clubs in the world, in the most covered league in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Which is the precise reason anyone is supposed to play international football in the first place even if it is too seldom the case these days. Sometimes I think they should just cancel the charade of international play entirely and replace it with a club level international champions league which would more accurately reflect what international football has become. Ahmen to that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I know people on this board find fault in the argument, but I can't help but refer to hockey when thinking about Canada in the world of soccer. Its funny at how little Canadians care about the "little teams" in world hockey, like Switzerland, or France or Germany. We don't give them credit for anything, even when they pull out an upset. Plus, many of the players on those teams are "foreigners" who are there to play hockey and eventually found a way to get a passport. At the same time, I met a huge fan of French hockey the other day - watching the games on-line, and part of chat rooms to discuss French hockey. Now, hockey is nothing compared to soccer globally, but at this time, soccer has little on hockey in terms of coverage in Canada. (that's changing every day, mind you). For the moment, we are like that french hockey fan - we hate that everyone ignores our team, and that people try to avoid playing with us if they can (like if they were good enough to play for Canada). Only 1 or 2 fall throught the cracks, but when they do, we are left embittered by the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 ^if that's true ... it's so accurate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Sometimes I think they should just cancel the charade of international play entirely and replace it with a club level international champions league which would more accurately reflect what international football has become. I agree with this completely. The World Cup and Euro are fun, but they're less and less meaningful, and not only because players increasingly affiliate with squads that best suit their careers. The trend of young athletes leaving to train in developed soccer nations, the changing nature of economic migration patterns and a more 'globalized' society in general are changing how we relate to national affiliations - with wide implications for international soccer. The fact that we have a 60 page thread on who Hoillett is going to choose is ridiculous and highlights the problem perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I think i now know why he hasn't committed to us. 60 pages and no one has corrected the spelling of the thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killgod Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I think i now know why he hasn't committed to us. 60 pages and no one has corrected the spelling of the thread title. We'll change it when he dons the maple leaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I think i now know why he hasn't committed to us. 60 pages and no one has corrected the spelling of the thread title. I have no idea what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I think i now know why he hasn't committed to us. 60 pages and no one has corrected the spelling of the thread title. Not according to the Telegraph, who apparently knows something we do not : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/9253079/Junior-Hoilett-in-high-demand-with-Newcastle-and-Sunderland-joining-Arsenal-and-Spurs-in-race-to-sign-him.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Not according to the Telegraph, who apparently knows something we do not : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/9253079/Junior-Hoilett-in-high-demand-with-Newcastle-and-Sunderland-joining-Arsenal-and-Spurs-in-race-to-sign-him.html ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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