killgod Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/06/27/red-bulls-deal-de-rosario-dc-mccarty Interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGuire Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 On paper it's clear that DC got the better of the deal, so it makes me wonder what the RB's have up their sleeves or if Bakce got tired of DeRo's act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdroze Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 So where is De Ro now? Back on a team that's currently out of playoff position, and still no payday. Hope playing with Henry and Marquez for three months was worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 On paper it's clear that DC got the better of the deal, so it makes me wonder what the RB's have up their sleeves or if Bakce got tired of DeRo's act. Don't agree with that at all. McCarty is a 24 year old who is a solid player, works well in a team and has leadership qualities. On top of that he is working his way into the US MNT. Going the other way is a 33 year old borderline Canadian national team player who is only effective if you build your team around him and who is the exact opposite of a leader. Add in that McCarty's salary is less than half that of DeRo and I think DCU got taken to the cleaners on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 On paper it's clear that DC got the better of the deal, so it makes me wonder what the RB's have up their sleeves or if Bakce got tired of DeRo's act. Probably no coincidence that the transfer window is about to open and a lot of player contracts in Europe will be expiring at the end of this week. RBNY can probably sign a third DP now with the salary prorated to a level that keeps them under the cap. Factor in Dax McCarty and they probably are going to be a stronger team as a result of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 When you consider the fact that TFC is paying part of De Rosario's salary, NYRB probably aren't saving much money making this trade. If anything this is a pure soccer trade: based purely on the players and not on money. I know one thing, I wish TFC still had De Rosario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Maybe it was Dero's playing for Canada in the Gold Cup against his coach's publicly stated wishes that got him traded. Maybe NYRB looked at the up coming WCQ and counted the number of games he would be missing and just decided to get someone who will be around for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Club Verses Country? intresting development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Just wondering - doesn't FIFA have a law stating you can't move teams more than once in a calendar year .... or something to that effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Can't help but feel that one's argument that one should be paid as a DP takes a bit of a hit if you are getting traded one for one for Dax McCarty (whom I doubt anyone is going to claim is DP material). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpoma Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Can't help but feel that one's argument that one should be paid as a DP takes a bit of a hit if you are getting traded one for one for Dax McCarty (whom I doubt anyone is going to claim is DP material). only in Toronto would DeRo been considered a DP. When that did not happen, the DP dream was moreless over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Can't help but feel that one's argument that one should be paid as a DP takes a bit of a hit if you are getting traded one for one for Dax McCarty (whom I doubt anyone is going to claim is DP material). It's probably more of a salary cap move rather than an indication or reflection of each players value to the team or merit as DP. Dax Mccarty is cheaper and allows Rb to make other moves and he is also younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Just wondering - doesn't FIFA have a law stating you can't move teams more than once in a calendar year .... or something to that effect? I suspect MLS gets away with this because the actual contract is with the league, not the clubs involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKottonmouthed1555362307 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 NYRB got a steal there. Dax is gonna be a solid MLS guy that will be around for years, and will flourish around all the talent in NY. DeRo is back to being the one guy pulling an entire team for less money than he thinks he deserves. He is definitely close to retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I imagine Hans Backe was also looking towards the fall where DeRo is looking like he'll be involved in WCQ and may miss key matches... whereas Dax if he is even selected the USMNT will not have to be involved until next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomurphy1 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I think the reason DeRo was traded was because he was playing a central mid role with NYRB, Dax is younger and better suited to the role so the trade made sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Don't agree with that at all. McCarty is a 24 year old who is a solid player, works well in a team and has leadership qualities. On top of that he is working his way into the US MNT. Going the other way is a 33 year old borderline Canadian national team player who is only effective if you build your team around him and who is the exact opposite of a leader. Add in that McCarty's salary is less than half that of DeRo and I think DCU got taken to the cleaners on this one. Okay, it is reasonable to suggest that RBNY did better with in deal, but come on EVERY time DeRo is mentioned you feel the need to tear him down, it is getting old. I know you strongly dislike him as a player but seriously, DeRo is not a borderline international for us, that is laughable. Pedro Pacheco or David Edgar are borderline. Yup I agree this was a salary dump but DCU are getting a QUALITY player by MLS standards who will help the team in the immediate future. I think both teams get what they want with this deal so IMO nobody was taken to the cleaners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I was under the impression that DeRo was doing well in NY. However, their biggest problem is between the pipes. May be this was part of the bigger picture of getting a better keeper during this transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeelaw Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Just wondering - doesn't FIFA have a law stating you can't move teams more than once in a calendar year .... or something to that effect? Your right, never thought of that.... Maybe it's something to do with De-Ro's contract with the MLS and not with specific clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 De Rosario wasn't very effective at NYRB, so going to DC United may be the change to help him regain his form. Good news is that there are now 2 Canadians that would be playing at DC United. Just like in Vancouver. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Didn't De Ro get 2 goals and 4 assists in 9 games? That sounds pretty effective to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 An interesting footnote: Before making the trade, United consulted with goalkeepers coach Pat Onstad, De Rosario’s longtime teammate in MLS and with Canada’s national team. “Pat’s got nothing but good things to say about him,” Olsen said. “Above all, he’s a winner, and we need a personality like him in this team right now.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/soccer-insider/post/dc-united-news-and-notes-junior-carreiro-waived-charlie-davies-injury-update-dwayne-de-rosario-trade/2011/06/29/AG3kftqH_blog.html And skepticism here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/box-seats/post/dc-united-trades-mccarty-for-derosario-new-york-watches-giggles/2010/12/20/AG7JZSpH_blog.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Two cynical thoughts are that elite Canadian soccer operates as an old boy's network and that it looks like a setting up of Onstad as a scapegoat if the trade turns sour. Playoff entry could be very important for career longevity at DC United where the coaching staff and management team are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I don't think that's the case at all. I genuinely think Onstad sees those qualities in DeRo, as do I. For all his faults DeRo is a winner, he always plays to win, probably too much sometimes. He thinks he can do anything, and unfortunately he can't and comes off as selfish in the process. When we lost to Argentina 5-0 in Buenos Aires, the only guy who didn't look overwhelmed by the situation and was trying to do something positive instead of turtle was DeRo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I don't think that's the case at all. I genuinely think Onstad sees those qualities in DeRo, as do I. For all his faults DeRo is a winner, he always plays to win, probably too much sometimes. He thinks he can do anything, and unfortunately he can't and comes off as selfish in the process. True, if anyone would know Dwayne, it would be his teammate from the San Jose days, Pat Onstad. Thiku's point about his effectiveness (2 goals, 4 assists in 13 games actually) is correct in my eyes, but I suppose more was expected of him. http://aol.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2011-06-27/red-bulls-ship-out-de-rosario-get-mccarty-from-dc-united Regardless, good luck to Dwayne, Dejan, and Pat at DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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