amacpher Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 So all River Plate needed to do was win 1 of their final 3 matches to avoid a relegation/promotion playoff. They of course failed to do that and Olimpo snuck into 16th place ahead of mighty River Plate by winning their last match on the road. Now River must play Belgrano in a two-legged playoff for survival. First-leg goes on Wednesday in Belgrano. Guess River are pretty big favourites but there’s always hope. Also another big club, including possibly Boca Juniors, could be in the same position at this time next year unless they wake-up. Currently, the bottom teams in the 2011/12 relegation table are as follows: River Plate – 100 pts Boca Juniors – 100pts San Lorenzo – 99pts Racing – 98 pts Olimpo – 96 pts Tigre – 82 pts Gimnasia LP – 70 pts Huracan – 67pts But at least 1, possibly both, of Huracan and Gimnasia LP will be relegated this week so upto 4 of the remaining teams can be relegated next campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmateo Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 You made this really confusing, you need to post the points/match average. Here is the table for this season and next: http://www.promiedos.com.ar/ For those unfamiliar with the promedios, this site explains it well: http://southamerican-futbol.blogspot.com/2011/03/promedios-argentine-relegation-system.html Another big hit for River is that playing in the promotion means that they wont get their Copa Sudamerica spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 lol Belgrano win the first leg 2-0. River fans are not impressed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b5n-WBVQts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I am confused. You have a league table with River Plate on top with 100 pts, and yet they are in a relegation battle? Why is it funny River are getting relegated? Because you hate them or because they have run the club into the ground through poor management and other negative dealings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 I am confused. You have a league table with River Plate on top with 100 pts, and yet they are in a relegation battle? Yeah, the link provided by elmateo would clarify it. What I showed in my post was only the bottom 8 and its next year's relegation table (2011-12 season). I just wanted to highlight that 4 "big" clubs are barely hovering above the relegation places and that River are not alone. Why is it funny River are getting relegated? Because you hate them or because they have run the club into the ground through poor management and other negative dealings? Because they are a big club. Same reason why it would be great if Real Madrid got relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I think I've lost all respect for the Argentina top flight if they use previous season points to assist in promotion/relegation. Even though I don't like Real Madrid - no, it would not be "great" if they got relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 You made this really confusing, you need to post the points/match average. Here is the table for this season and next: http://www.promiedos.com.ar/ For those unfamiliar with the promedios, this site explains it well: http://southamerican-futbol.blogspot.com/2011/03/promedios-argentine-relegation-system.html Another big hit for River is that playing in the promotion means that they wont get their Copa Sudamerica spot. I tried to Understand this with the aid of the FSWC Fox News Soccer report. I still dont understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 I think I've lost all respect for the Argentina top flight if they use previous season points to assist in promotion/relegation. Well, they use points per game average so that just one bad season won't cost you a place in the top-flight (unless its your only season). Even though I don't like Real Madrid - no, it would not be "great" if they got relegated. To each their own. But a lot of good came out of Leeds United's relegation. Rules were put into place and clubs had to be more responsible financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 To each their own. But a lot of good came out of Leeds United's relegation. Rules were put into place and clubs had to be more responsible financially. As a Leeds Fan I'll second that. It was a crazy time. At one Point we thought we were in the process of signing the South African defensive Midfielder Mark Fish for $50K a week. Aparently the foresnic audit found that we were actually paing $50K a months for FISH.... housed in a nice little aquarium in the receptions room in the Front Office. Intresting the guy who put us in this Mess (Peter Ridsdale)was apparently a finacial Wizard. Go figure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Well, they use points per game average so that just one bad season won't cost you a place in the top-flight (unless its your only season). To each their own. But a lot of good came out of Leeds United's relegation. Rules were put into place and clubs had to be more responsible financially. OK, but what does Leeds' relegation have to do with anything? No mention in this thread of River Plate being financially irresponsible. I obviously don't follow them much at all, so I'd need to be enlightened. I do of course know that Argie football clubs in general are struggling financially - but I understand that is top to bottom, so how is River Plate any different? And yes, Leeds' relegation was good....in a way. Some clubs obviously didn't pay much attention (Portsmouth). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 As a Boca fan, I have been having lots of fun fr the last month or so. The majority of football fans in the west central part of Mendoza, especially the poor, are big fans of River. i have never seen such hysterics as I have from River fans, and I have spent a lot of time in Italy. the more thoughtful fans of River are starting to see the positive side of relegation, a chance for a yearat gathering strength, and starting the next year in A fresh without the burden of two years of bad results. It worked wonders for San Lorenzo when they were relgated. This morning on the bus (I live in a pretty decent neighbourhood, but the bus route originates in a rough neighbourhood), the bus driver had a sad look on his face...he was a Gallina (hen, the name for River fans) like 95% of bus drivers here, who decorate the front of their buses with red and black velvet fringes and bangles. Every time a sad passenger got on wearing River kit, he would say, still looking sad, "Puedo ser"(basically, we can do it) meaning we can make up the two goals. All they need is to tie the two game leg to stay in A, that is how the rules are skewed. Usually I tease River fans unmercilessly, but I am being quiet and leaving my Boca kit at home. I know when not to puch my luck However, I willl be praying to the goawds to have the wooden stake put thru the River's vampire heart on the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted June 24, 2011 Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 OK, but what does Leeds' relegation have to do with anything? No mention in this thread of River Plate being financially irresponsible. I obviously don't follow them much at all, so I'd need to be enlightened. I do of course know that Argie football clubs in general are struggling financially - but I understand that is top to bottom, so how is River Plate any different? Not sure either if River's handling of their finances is worse relative to other clubs in Argentina. But they are a big club, so they start out with a huge advantage on everyone else. Whether its upper mgmt's fault or just lower paid players on smaller clubs performing better than River's players, does it matter? Either way, it'll great if they get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 I am hoping River gets relegated as well, I am a "casual" Boca Jrs. fan and used to watch the Argentine game of the week on FSWC when they used to have the rights for it. I will miss catching the Super Classico if it happens though, those games are always intense and a good watch no matter how crummy the clubs have been lately. My understanding of the socio dynamics of Argentina football was that River were the "millionaires" team and that blue collar workers rooted for Boca and the other clubs. Weird to hear so many poor Mendozans are followers of theirs... Also, i thought i'd heard River were having debt issues and that they had to cut payroll, resulting in them not buying up as many quality players from the smaller clubs. They've brought on a few loan players and promoted youth to shore up their squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklefan Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Promotion in Argentina First division - 2nd leg match River Plate - Belgrano de Córdoba Pavone scores for River at 5'. This good for them. EDIT: At 48' Pereyra missed an golden chance to make 1 - 1 for Belgrano. He was alone against Carrizo. Farré scores for Belgrano at 61'. I think it's safe to assume now that River will be relegated. PK for River at 67' and Pavone does not score at 69' as the keeper makes a save. River fans look discouraged and desperate. Less than 5 minutes before the match ends. Some River fans are so sad, they are crying. 15 years ago this team won Copa Libertadores. There's going to be violence... Fans invaded the field.... River players are also sad, some are also crying. The match ends 1 - 1. BTW, here's a video of what happened during the first match: http://www.teledeportes.com.py/futbol/78401/bajos-instintos Some fans were upset with the team and also invaded the field to let them know they had to play with more heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpoma Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 I read how relegation works in Argentina, and it seems that system likely saved River Plate from being relegated a few times. So it's not like they were victims of a crime here. They finished poorly for 2 seasons prior to this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Chaos erupts after River Plate relegated http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/6706438/river-plate-relegated-argentine-2nd-division-first-time-club-history Violence broke a minute before the match was over. Angry fans pelted players with objects from the stands, and police replied with high-powered fire hoses with some fans climbing fences topped with razor wire. As fans were pounded with jets of water, River Plate's players huddled on the pitch, many in tears, including goalkeeper Juan Pablo Carrizo. The mayhem quickly spread outside River's 50,000-seat stadium. Police on Monday said 89 people were injured and 55 detained. Nilda Garre, the minister for security, said Sunday that 35 police officers were injured. "Fortunately, none have their lives at risk," the Argentine news agency DyN reported her saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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