CSA: Why not require a min number of Cdn Players?

[Chet]

Going into this tournament I was prepared to watch as a neutral. But after watching the Edmonton - TFC game, I can't imagine how any Canadian National Team supporter (or any Canadian in general) could cheer for a team that only puts one Canadian player on the field when they're playing against a team that is almost entirely Canadian players.

This tournament is organized by the Canadian Soccer Association isn't it? Would it be too much to ask that the CSA require the teams to field a minimum number of Canadian players? Say, two? Is that too many? Once the winning team has qualified for the CONCACAF CL, then they can play whoever they want, according to CONCACAF rules.

What do the rest of you think?

[Daniel]

It doesn't make sense, as it's not aligned with whatever quota the MLS/NASL have. For example, you can have an all-American team in Canada in the NASL, or an MLS team might have Canadians as mainly depth players, in which case it'd dilute the squad on the field.

[RS]

Ironically, TFC usually plays more Canadians against better opposition.

And yes, I am a supporter of the Canadian national team (and a Canadian) and I cheered for the team with one Canadian starter.

[strobe_z]

Dude, the real question is if your location is Edmonton, how the heck you can decide watch the tournament as a neutral?

Go Eddies!

[RS]

Dude, the real question is if your location is Edmonton, how the heck you can decide watch the tournament as a neutral?

Go Eddies!

Ha! Didn't even notice that.

Get that man into the ESG, stat!

[tmcmurph]

Forget the Nutralite National Championships for quota. Why doesn't the CSA ask MLS for 10% (our proportion of the population of North America) of all spots to be available to Canadians as domestics not internationals? Currently requiring 3 players for each of the 3 Canadian MLS teams (Montreal soon) equals 9 spots. Only if a US team wanted more than 2 Canadians on the team should they have to use up an international spot. They are welcome to fill their roster with all US players but they should have the option of the first 2 Canucks being domestics. 20 teams with 2 spots each equals 40 domestic spots for Canadians.

[Richard]

^ Because there are not enough Canadians of sufficient quality willing or able to fill such a demand.

[tmcmurph]

^ Because there are not enough Canadians of sufficient quality willing or able to fill such a demand.

Correct for now but the US teams don't have to use Canadian players. If they choose to they would be allowed the first 2 Canucks as domestics. 40 available, not mandatory, domestic spots for Canadians.

[Richard]

When was the last time you checked the power balance in MSL - Canada vs USA? The CSA simply does not have the power to demand what you are seeking without jeopardising their Canadian MLS clubs. Besides, the request to reduce the Canadian quota on Canadian MLS clubs came from the Canadian clubs themselves for the reason I gave. The time may well come when MLS is willing to ignore the Canada-USA border but it won't happen soon.

[Rivaldo]

Great ideas Chet and tmcmurph. Make the Voyageurs Cup more Canadian!

10% (our proportion of the population of North America)

A more relevant target might be our proportion of MLS franchises.

[TheKottonmouthed1555362307]

This is not a issue, these are Club teams, and are all the players are playing representing a Canadian club with a Canadian flag on there sleeve, no matter what there nationality is.

I think it would be totally unfair to players who aren't Canadian who might deserve to be on the pitch more than the Canadian beside them. They all are a team and all want to win the championship, they all deserve an equal chance to earn a spot on the pitch for some of the most important games in there clubs season.

[Richard]

As a fan I would be thoroughly annoyed if my club was forced to play a weaker team in the Voyageurs Cup than they did in MLS league games merely to satisfy an artificial quota imposed on clubs by the CSA just for the Voyageurs Cup. Would the CSA then require the same of the the team that wins the tournament when it plays in the CCL? This argument makes no sense whatsoever and is quite separate from the one about MLS Canadian quotas.

[Rivaldo]

Would the CSA then require the same of the the team that wins the tournament when it plays in the CCL?

The CSA has no jurisdiction over the Champs League.

It makes "no sense" to want to see actual Canadians in the Canadian Championship? The MLS quota is just as "artificial" as this one would be.

[Richard]

The CSA most certainly has authority over the club that represents Canada in the CCL.

[jpg75]

The problem is the ridiculously low quota the CSA has negotiated with the clubs, MLS and USSF. If the Canadian MLS clubs were forced to sign anything more than a token few they might actually be able to field a bunch of Canadians in the V's Cup.

[Rivaldo]

Would the CSA then require the same of the the team that wins the tournament when it plays in the CCL?

The CSA most certainly has authority over the club that represents Canada in the CCL.

Sure, but once they're in the CCL they can play whoever they want, regardless of nationality.

[narduch]

The problem is the ridiculously low quota the CSA has negotiated with the clubs, MLS and USSF. If the Canadian MLS clubs were forced to sign anything more than a token few they might actually be able to field a bunch of Canadians in the V's Cup.

And its pretty clear now that it was Vancouver that was behind how low the quota was set.

[TheKottonmouthed1555362307]

And its pretty clear now that it was Vancouver that was behind how low the quota was set.

lol, why is that so clear?

The only thing clear is that we realized the quota was gonna be shrunk and we built our club accordingly.

[Guest Ed]

Must say it was nice to see 8 Cdns start for Edmonton vs TFC (9 last week). Could be some national team prospects there. Remember Dero at 21 or 22 was with Richmond Kickers.

[narduch]

lol, why is that so clear?

The only thing clear is that we realized the quota was gonna be shrunk and we built our club accordingly.

Because last time I checked they had the minimum required. Even TFC has more than the minimum

The Whitecaps are an embarassment to Canadian soccer. Just like this bull**** quota is embarassing.

[Free kick]

And its pretty clear now that it was Vancouver that was behind how low the quota was set.

Yup, that one was pretty obvious to me from the out set. I was surprised at the time that no one picked up on that. That why I thought it was blatantly unfair that in our written objection that we had singled out TFC. We need to stay neutral as group and leave club partisanship and loyaties aside when we act a as group to defend the interests of canadian soccer and soccer players as whole.

[Macksam]

Because last time I checked they had the minimum required. Even TFC has more than the minimum

The Whitecaps are an embarassment to Canadian soccer. Just like this bull**** quota is embarassing.

I'll give them five years. If things haven't improved after that, I will gladly join you in the labeling.