Canuck in Boston Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Is TFC attendance down this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpoma Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Compared to last year, not really, but compared to the first season, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Paid attendance last night was just over 16,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Given they claim to have more season tickets sold than that (think anyway?) are you sure that was the "paid" rather than the "announced" number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 It's definitely down, last Wednesday withstanding. First couple of seasons people were asking me for tickets now you can't give them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJames Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 How much have ticket prices increased since year one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Given they claim to have more season tickets sold than that (think anyway?) are you sure that was the "paid" rather than the "announced" number? Pretty sure it's paid attendance, there have been times in the past where there were a thousands of empty seats and they announced a near sell-out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Pretty sure I've seen Paul Beirne claim it's the number through the turnstiles that they announce although it is definitely very hard to believe sometimes. My impression was they had 18k season seats available this year and are claiming they have sold those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Pretty sure I've seen Paul Beirne claim it's the number through the turnstiles that they announce although it is definitely very hard to believe sometimes. My impression was they had 18k season seats available this year and are claiming they have sold those. That number may incorporate the partial packs that have been sold as well. I thought in the past the ST's were capped at 16.5K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Pretty sure it's paid attendance, there have been times in the past where there were a thousands of empty seats and they announced a near sell-out.Looked like actual to me. MLSE has sworn up and down that the numbers are actual. There's more season tickets than announced, let alone the Partials and individual sales. 16,000 seemed real to me. How many extra were in other places other than their seats? I certainly was ... and the north patio looked pretty crowded. At the same time, we broke the record attendance on Wednesday - we weekday evening even. Yesterday's weather was brutal with high winds and torrential rain (ironically it calmed down about 6 pm ... and the sun even came out, so it was actually quite pleasant), and I'm sure many with seasons stayed away. Let's worry when we have 18,000 on a beautiful weekend day. That number may incorporate the partial packs that have been sold as well. I thought in the past the ST's were capped at 16.5K.They were ... and then they added about 1,500 or so this year; though it's no secret that half of light-blue didn't sell. We know that light and medium grey is all but 100% sold ... and yet there were many empty seats there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Alright, then actual it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Apparently they actually sold 20,000 tickets for the game, but only 16,000 & change showed up due to the crappy weather: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2011/04/18/sp-mls-tfc-attendance.html?ref=rss#ixzz1JyR8cBRi Moral of the story - if you want the fairweather fans to show up, play the games in fairweather. You can't control the weather of course but you can control the scheduling to make the chances of fairweather more likely, and playing a ton of home games by the end of April but only home game in July (?!?) doesn't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdroze Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 I wonder if the MLS schedule makers were still working under the assumption that 20,000+ TFC fans would show up no matter what the weather, and thus saved the more hospitable July/August home dates for clubs where the support is perceived to be much weaker. Wouldn't be surprised if that's how it worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Apparently they actually sold 20,000 tickets for the game, but only 16,000 & change showed up due to the crappy weather: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2011/04/18/sp-mls-tfc-attendance.html?ref=rss#ixzz1JyR8cBRi Moral of the story - if you want the fairweather fans to show up, play the games in fairweather. You can't control the weather of course but you can control the scheduling to make the chances of fairweather more likely, and playing a ton of home games by the end of April but only home game in July (?!?) doesn't do that. Its interesting the way TFC's story has changed on how they report attendance. For the most recent home game they claim that the attendance was a turnstile count. But for the game during the G20 they claim the attendance was tickets sold. And MLS has also stated in the past that they official attendance is based on tickets distributed. Somebody doesn't quite jive here. It might be a little too conspiracy like, but it sounds like TFC FO is trying to give the appearance that the scarcity of tickets still exists, despite the fact that the opposite is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 I wonder if the MLS schedule makers were still working under the assumption that 20,000+ TFC fans would show up no matter what the weather, and thus saved the more hospitable July/August home dates for clubs where the support is perceived to be much weaker. Wouldn't be surprised if that's how it worked out. This was my theory as well. How else would anyone explain 11 of 17 home games, in Canada, during cold and colder months. Mind you, I don't mind the May and October games as long as the rain holds out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killgod Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 All I'm thinkin about this, is that Toronto better have a metric ****ton of Summer home games next year. This weather is ****. It wouldn't push me away, but the LA Galaxy game felt like I was at Lambeau in January. Retarded. A NIGHT game in EARLY APRIL, down by the LAKE, in TORONTO? I-D-I-O-T-S! Yet, the sellout will convince them to keep going as is. Ugh. This team has lots of growing pains yet to come this season with all the changes they are trying to do, it's going to be hard to convince the casual fan to return next year with the high prices, let alone poor weather and struggling performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmd Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 All I know is that the honeymoon is almost over. Until MLSE sell them(TFC) to an owner that is a fan of soccer, I can't see TFC improving. If anyone can prove me wrong, please do so. But remember, MLSE's track record with the Leafs(over 40yrs since a championship, Raptors Zero Championships & The Marlies no Championships) proves my point. If we want a wining team we need to STOP going to TFC games to prove our point. If not, MLSE is simply laughing with your hard earned money. I know I would if I knew I could make money and always be a losing franchise while you are drinking my $7.50, gotta love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 ^ I agree with you that the honeymoon is over, but the rest of your post is horse****. Leafs, Raptors & Marlies are all big spenders, and MLSE just announced $20 million of their own money is going toward an Academy Training Facility for TFC. I'm not saying they spend it well, but MLSE is not afraid to spend money on their teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmd Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 That's exactly the problem Ivan. They don't spend it well. And it's easy to spend $20 million when MLSE hikes their ticket prices every year for all of their clubs. $20 million to MLSE is chump change. You can spend all the money in the world, if you don't have proper vision you are going no where. Why did it only take Vancouver ONE game to get their 1st MLS goal, ONE game to get their first victory in MLS......Vision, commitment and OWNERS that love the game. MLSE don't love the game of soccer...As Gene Simmons would say....I LOVE MAKING MONEY!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodiakTFC Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 ^ I agree with you that the honeymoon is over, but the rest of your post is horse****. Leafs, Raptors & Marlies are all big spenders, and MLSE just announced $20 million of their own money is going toward an Academy Training Facility for TFC. I'm not saying they spend it well, but MLSE is not afraid to spend money on their teams. Agreed. I get why people are upset with MLSE but a lot of the anger is misdirected. MLSE is obviously trying to make money but it has never stopped them from spending. MLSE spends to the cap for the Leafs, has brought in big names to the Raptors and spends over the cap with TFC as well as continually displaying their commitment to the future via expansion, new front office and training facility/academy. However, it is fair to say MLSE spends its money wrong. I get that. I also get saying they charge too much for the product, but you can't say they're cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 All I know is that the honeymoon is almost over. Until MLSE sell them(TFC) to an owner that is a fan of soccer, I can't see TFC improving. If anyone can prove me wrong, please do so. But remember, MLSE's track record with the Leafs(over 40yrs since a championship, Raptors Zero Championships & The Marlies no Championships) proves my point. If we want a wining team we need to STOP going to TFC games to prove our point. If not, MLSE is simply laughing with your hard earned money. I know I would if I knew I could make money and always be a losing franchise while you are drinking my $7.50, gotta love it. How do you qualify the "knowledge of soccer" that you need to have in order to own a club. And, how does it make them any different than any of the successful clubs out there. What about Manu, RM, Barcelona...etc , are we to believe that they are run by people who know the game more than MLSE. What about all those EPL clubs that are owned by Americans, have their fortunes sagged under the in relation to when they were British owned? What does a the CEO of company have to know about the day to day duties and tasks of frontline staff? and why does it matter if they do? The most important things that you want in an owner or ownership group is that they are financially stable, committed for the long term, willing to invest in the club and know how to hire the right person to head up the operation. All a good owner needs to understand is wins and losses and financial statements. You don't need an owner to know the difference between a 4-4-2 and a 3-5-2, no more than a CEO of supermarket chain needs to know how to stock shelves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 With fans like you, we will have no option but to go to Blue Jays games in the future. Remember through good times and bad, the team needs our support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guppy Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 If we want a wining team we need to STOP going to TFC games to prove our point. If not, MLSE is simply laughing with your hard earned money. I know I would if I knew I could make money and always be a losing franchise while you are drinking my $7.50, gotta love it. I know of examples in sports of fans not going to games anymore and the team moved or ceased to exist .. that's about all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 How do you qualify the "knowledge of soccer" that you need to have in order to own a club. And, how does it make them any different than any of the successful clubs out there. What about Manu, RM, Barcelona...etc , are we to believe that they are run by people who know the game more than MLSE. What about all those EPL clubs that are owned by Americans, have their fortunes sagged under the in relation to when they were British owned? What does a the CEO of company have to know about the day to day duties and tasks of frontline staff? and why does it matter if they do? The most important things that you want in an owner or ownership group is that they are financially stable, committed for the long term, willing to invest in the club and know how to hire the right person to head up the operation. All a good owner needs to understand is wins and losses and financial statements. You don't need an owner to know the difference between a 4-4-2 and a 3-5-2, no more than a CEO of supermarket chain needs to know how to stock shelves. The key part of your post is: know how to hire the right person to head up the operation. However, that pretty much confirms mmd's opinion that MLSE is not competent to run a sports/soccer franchise. Yes the money providers do not need to know much about the sport but they do need to know how to hire someone who does. If years and years of failures in a variety of sports do not prove that MLSE does not have this expertise then I do not know what does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmd Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 The key part of your post is: know how to hire the right person to head up the operation. However, that pretty much confirms mmd's opinion that MLSE is not competent to run a sports/soccer franchise. Yes the money providers do not need to know much about the sport but they do need to know how to hire someone who does. If years and years of failures in a variety of sports do not prove that MLSE does not have this expertise then I do not know what does. Thanks Grizzly. Someone that understood the post. Either MLSE hire the right people, or get out of the business of sport. If you disagree with this, than you are the exact people that MLSE loves, you'll pay whatever to be seen @ a leafs, raptors and TFC....the followers. When does losing become unacceptable. Bad enough Vancouver is off to a better start......don't get me wrong, I want to see all Canadian teams do well. But What if TFC miss the Playoffs again this year. And next year, the Montreal Impact surpase TFC well, and TFC misses another post season. Are we going to wait over forty years until we see a championship like the saps that follow the leafs. Let me know when enough is enough. And as you can read, I at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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