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Whitecaps will finish ahead of Toronto this season.


Drew Shaw

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It's hard to know where the two expansion teams will finish. I'll admit that I'm biased, but I'm going to say it right now - Vancouver will finish with more points than Toronto.

The Caps just signed a striker from the Swiss league who has played in the Champions League, and their roster looks set.

The Reds just signed a player from the Dutch amateur league, and have an incomplete roster which includes a disgruntled Adriann Cann.

I'll also be surprised if the Whitecaps don't beat Toronto in attendance this season, partly because of novelty, and partly because of the opening of BC Place, but mostly because I think that Vancouver fans are going to be more numerous than Toronto fans, just like at CFL games. Not that I'm trying to riile anyone up. What do you think, and why?

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I never predict results, all I can do is talk about gut feelings. Watching the Cascadia games last weekend my feeling was pretty good, not great, not incredible, but pretty good. Even surprised to see Teitur have the team play out of the back into the midfield, or at least try (he is a pretty limited coach but may work for this season).

I do not thing the Caps will make the playoffs. They may surprise me though. Rivalries with Seattle, Portland and TFC will keep the team focussed. As will the Voyageurs Cup. Better than TFC? Who cares really, they are not even in our division.

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Hilarious coming from Toronto, where the verbal diarrhea is bottled and sold to fans for extra revenue.

Just a little reminder: the Whitecaps are a week from their MLS opener. Do you remember the incessant wanking before the TFC opener? Does it at all compare? Just what team's fans have spent years in dire need of a reality check?

A hint: not Caps'.

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Yup, the over inflated expectations are pretty comparable. Except we weren't measuring our dicks and trying to compare them to other teams. You guys out on the left coast seem to love comparing yourselves to us. Here's a hint, you're like an annoying little neigbour kid whose Mom is friends with our Mom - we don't give a **** about you.

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Nice to see you back Jeffrey. Hope you can share some opinion in the women's side some time in the near future.

I've lived in both places and as an outsider when it comes to soccer, I don't see much difference between the two when it comes to the game. Both cities have a pretty similar spectrum of personalities and fans ranging across the board from a healthy perspective to egocentricity.

We'll get a good idea of the state of the nation next weekend.

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Yup, the over inflated expectations are pretty comparable. Except we weren't measuring our dicks and trying to compare them to other teams. You guys out on the left coast seem to love comparing yourselves to us. Here's a hint, you're like an annoying little neigbour kid whose Mom is friends with our Mom - we don't give a **** about you.

Most V's, particularly those from Vancouver, have been pretty supportive of TFC -or at least neutral- for the past 4 years. This is a pretty innocent thread where people should be able to express their predictions without people making more references to their genitals. If there's something to get upset about, it's that the home page to this site has linked some serious rubbish recently. Not the predictions of who will finish where, obviously there is home team bias, but the apparent inability to check any facts. It's funny when US commentators embarrass themselves, but I'd think Canadians -particularly Vs- would be a little more inclined to actually think before they post.

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The Whitecaps have one, TFC and its forefathers do not. TFC also happens to have rather useless owners. Caps owners and front office is a bit better, screwing over the Southsiders notwithstanding.

The basis for optimism in Vancouver is basically that, as it has nothing to do with players or coaching or facilities, on paper none of that looks particularly enticing for the Caps. So it is the tradition. Caps fans are not used to seeing the team with a losing record, it was totally exceptional. TFC fans even celebrate having a losing record. There is a big difference. The difference between being happy and being a happy fool.

So it is a thin premise, I admit, the past. Though funny how these things have relevance for the present. I perdict (as the word is spelt in Ontario) Vancouver will spend a rather short time with a losing record in MLS, and that it will continue to be exceptional. Likely for the first months of this season, but I doubt much longer. It is not our way to being a losing team.

And that is basically what all this bravado is based on for me.

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The Whitecaps have one, TFC and its forefathers do not. TFC also happens to have rather useless owners. Caps owners and front office is a bit better, screwing over the Southsiders notwithstanding.

The basis for optimism in Vancouver is basically that, as it has nothing to do with players or coaching or facilities, on paper none of that looks particularly enticing for the Caps. So it is the tradition. Caps fans are not used to seeing the team with a losing record, it was totally exceptional. TFC fans even celebrate having a losing record. There is a big difference. The difference between being happy and being a happy fool.

So it is a thin premise, I admit, the past. Though funny how these things have relevance for the present. I perdict (as the word is spelt in Ontario) Vancouver will spend a rather short time with a losing record in MLS, and that it will continue to be exceptional. Likely for the first months of this season, but I doubt much longer. It is not our way to being a losing team.

And that is basically what all this bravado is based on for me.

I won't bother with all the other stuff, but the person who originally wrote perdict is from Alberta.

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Most V's, particularly those from Vancouver, have been pretty supportive of TFC -or at least neutral- for the past 4 years. This is a pretty innocent thread where people should be able to express their predictions without people making more references to their genitals. If there's something to get upset about, it's that the home page to this site has linked some serious rubbish recently. Not the predictions of who will finish where, obviously there is home team bias, but the apparent inability to check any facts. It's funny when US commentators embarrass themselves, but I'd think Canadians -particularly Vs- would be a little more inclined to actually think before they post.

I don't have a problem with predictions, if you think Vancouver will make the playoffs or even win MLS Cup that's your opinion and I don't have a beef with you being optimistic about your team. But the OP is comparing your team to ours and there's no need to. It seems the fashion lately is to crap on TFC and their Dutch amateur signings and a few of your fellow Vancouverites seemed more than happy to pile on - which is why i equated it to a circle jerk, a bunch of guys stroking their Whitecap fan-dicks.

As for Duane Rollins' MLS prediction piece, I think he's just doing his job and pretty much has to put something out there. Predicting the upcoming MLS season is a fools game and I would dread having to put something together because you're going to end up with a big helping of ridicule from a handful of fan bases when the smoke clears. Perhaps he doesn't feel the same way I do and truly enjoys predictions and really thinks TFC will sneak into the playoffs - I don't know. Either way I'm not sure I agree with him having TFC 10th, but hey anything can happen. But I'm guessing you have more of a beef with him ranking you guys 14th right? So, out of curiousity, where do you think the Caps will end up?

edit: Oh wait, you weren't talking about Rollins. Like Ed said, what did I miss?

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Most V's, particularly those from Vancouver, have been pretty supportive of TFC -or at least neutral- for the past 4 years. This is a pretty innocent thread where people should be able to express their predictions without people making more references to their genitals. If there's something to get upset about, it's that the home page to this site has linked some serious rubbish recently. Not the predictions of who will finish where, obviously there is home team bias, but the apparent inability to check any facts. It's funny when US commentators embarrass themselves, but I'd think Canadians -particularly Vs- would be a little more inclined to actually think before they post.

I've been drop dead busy this week but what did I miss??

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So, out of curiousity, where do you think the Caps will end up?

I'm not sure. 14th may be the spot, but I would think top half of the league is reasonable. I don't think there's anything "expansion" about the club other than the (factual) title. I think they've signed quality players from Europe, but these guys often need a full year to adjust to the game and culture. I would be incredibly disappointed if we weren't in the CONCACAF Group Stage. I believe we are favourites for the Voyageurs Cup, and need to prove it.

You should be flattered at comparisons to Toronto. It's the MLS most people here have followed. It's the MLS team Vancouver has played the most in competitive matches. And we've done quite well against what appear on paper to be much better TFC sides to what's in your camp today. Vancouver is much improved from the 2010 squad that competed in the NCC with the addtions of DeMerit, Rochat, Chiumiento, & Hassli (who shoudn't be judged on not being capped by the Swiss National Team, given that he's French :)).

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I'm not sure. 14th may be the spot, but I would think top half of the league is reasonable. I don't think there's anything "expansion" about the club other than the (factual) title. I think they've signed quality players from Europe, but these guys often need a full year to adjust to the game and culture. I would be incredibly disappointed if we weren't in the CONCACAF Group Stage. I believe we are favourites for the Voyageurs Cup, and need to prove it.

You should be flattered at comparisons to Toronto. It's the MLS most people here have followed. It's the MLS team Vancouver has played the most in competitive matches. And we've done quite well against what appear on paper to be much better TFC sides to what's in your camp today. Vancouver is much improved from the 2010 squad that competed in the NCC with the addtions of DeMerit, Rochat, Chiumiento, & Hassli (who shoudn't be judged on not being capped by the Swiss National Team, given that he's French :)).

I can't remember but did Dunfield played in last year NCC?

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Yup, the over inflated expectations are pretty comparable. Except we weren't measuring our dicks and trying to compare them to other teams. You guys out on the left coast seem to love comparing yourselves to us. Here's a hint, you're like an annoying little neigbour kid whose Mom is friends with our Mom - we don't give a **** about you.
You will give a **** when we make the playoffs in year one and you miss again, how many times will that be now?
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