Canada vs Brasil Game thread [R]

[Trillium]

So a negative game plan by Rosenfeld, ten behind the ball, no support up front when the strikers have the ball..... you can not win games when you play defence for ninety minutes, you get to tired .... and you make a mental mistake.

Too bad, I think the talent was there to support an attacking team.

[footballfreak]

To be fair, the strikers have shown they're not able to take the chances they've had. There was a 2-on-1 break where the one girl looked like she never considered getting onside to receive a pass.

[18 Yards]

Hmmm a team with some pace on the ball, great passing (not just trying to ram the middle like the USA) is exposing Canada from Keeper to everyone in front of her. It all starts at the selection process people, what you are watching is the result of it. BR and the NTC program pick athletes and believe they can turn them into skilled soccer players, becuase they are such great coaches. Intead of taking skilled players and turning them into athletes.....this is why other countrys have caught up and in most cases passed us. Yes we will see the odd athletic play that will give us hope, but in the end this kinda hope will never become reality...it is a false hope. But I will always cheer the girls on, it is not thier fualt and they are playing thier hearts out for Canada. Go girls Go

[JamesW]

Wow, an open net and you fail to score? Yikes.

[footballfreak]

That's about all I can take, which is saying something considering I've spent most of my day literally watching paint dry.

[Richard]

These girls are simply not good enough, too many poor touches, balls skills not good enough, take too long over decisions, play off the ball not good enough. Long way to go yet. You can run around like a headless chicken and work as hard as you like but if you haven't got it you just haven't got it.

[The Ref]

So a negative game plan by Rosenfeld, ten behind the ball, no support up front when the strikers have the ball..... you can not win games when you play defence for ninety minutes, you get to tired .... and you make a mental mistake.

Too bad, I think the talent was there to support an attacking team.

Right on the money. These girls are fairly talented but have definitely been poorly coached.

[18 Yards]

These girls are simply not good enough, too many poor touches, balls skills not good enough, take too long over decisions, play off the ball not good enough. Long way to go yet. You can run around like a headless chicken and work as hard as you like but if you haven't got it you just haven't got it.

And that sir eats at the heart of the matter...simple but the truth. Now what can be done about hahaha.

[Richard]

It has to start when they are 5 or 6 years old. I attended a local U-11/U-12 tournament over the Labour Day weekend and watched some of the games. The overall standard is definitely much better than it was 20 years ago. I believe it is directly related to more professional coaching at the club level. Here in BC most of the larger youth clubs have fulltime, professional technical directors/head coaches and the effect is becoming evident. Unfortunately it will be another 10 years before these kids start playing meaningfully for Canada.

[18 Yards]

Right on the money. These girls are fairly talented but have definitely been poorly coached.

They where never coached...they where trained....they where never taught....they where inspired and motivated (remeber all of that way back when) again athletes that these great coaches/trainers tried to turn into skilled layers.

[18 Yards]

It has to start when they are 5 or 6 years old. I attended a local U-11/U-12 tournament over the Labour Day weekend and watched some of the games. The overall standard is definitely much better than it was 20 years ago. I believe it is directly related to more professional coaching at the club level. Here in BC most of the larger youth clubs have fulltime, professional technical directors/head coaches and the effect is becoming evident. Unfortunately it will be another 10 years before these kids start playing meaningfully for Canada.

And then they have to be selected......it never ends. I think the only way to do this for our own good to save Canada from itself. Is a panel for the selection process. Yes it will be hard, yes they will fight, yes it will take a huge effort. However it can no longer be ONE PERSON with ONE VISION of soccer.

[Jacko]

Hmmm a team with some pace on the ball, great passing (not just trying to ram the middle like the USA) is exposing Canada from Keeper to everyone in front of her. It all starts at the selection process people, what you are watching is the result of it. BR and the NTC program pick athletes and believe they can turn them into skilled soccer players, becuase they are such great coaches. Intead of taking skilled players and turning them into athletes.....this is why other countrys have caught up and in most cases passed us. Yes we will see the odd athletic play that will give us hope, but in the end this kinda hope will never become reality...it is a false hope. But I will always cheer the girls on, it is not thier fualt and they are playing thier hearts out for Canada. Go girls Go

You said it all 18 Yards.

Now, how soon can we get rid of Rosenfeld and the other incompetents at the CSA?

[The Ref]

And then they have to be selected......it never ends. I think the only way to do this for our own good to save Canada from itself. Is a panel for the selection process. Yes it will be hard, yes they will fight, yes it will take a huge effort. However it can no longer be ONE PERSON with ONE VISION of soccer.

You have a valid point there. However if the ONE PERSON has the right vision then it is alright. I am not sure that selection by committee will necesarely be good. I've been in such an arrangement and low and behold, every single coach selected totally different players. It was no help to me.

[18 Yards]

You said it all 18 Yards.

Now, how soon can we get rid of Rosenfeld and the other incompetents at the CSA?

It will be interesting to hear BR's comments after this. What will he blame it on...lack of money...who will he blame it on...the girls....the ref....hmmmmmm

[18 Yards]

You have a valid point there. However if the ONE PERSON has the right vision then it is alright. I am not sure that selection by committee will necesarely be good. I've been in such an arrangement and low and behold, every single coach selected totally different players. It was no help to me.

Wow, now that is scary lol. However perhaps not selection for the acual team, but rather selection on who the 25 to 30 players are that are in the development program the years leading up to any world cup. You can never get that time back, that is the problem.

[Trillium]

I suspect BR will be in melt down mode about now and then have a series of negative

comments regarding the players effort today.

What should be clear even to those who still think Even Pelerud was the cats meow..his acolyte BR is no better then Even, the failure to have a team at this age from the number of players in Canada available for selection is a coaching fault and a scouting fault, the coaching fault is on the CSA Technical director who selected BR when so so many in the soccer community had grave misgivings about his methods and game analysis skills.

The scouting and selection falls to Byran Rosenfeld, having been employed full time in Ontario he should have a better handle on the player pool and what kind of talent needs to be selected for a World Cup.. apparently he does not.

Time for some pink slips...hopefully not too many of the players will be damaged too deeply by the experience of his tenure .... time to move on.

[paul-collins]

That's sad. There was no team out there, just players.

No question whose fault it was, and it wasn't a her.

[Trillium]

I have to wonder just what a certian Carolina is thinking right now ... since the women's program is hers to make a success of.

She better have BR out the door by Wednesday or some questions will be posed even the provincials presidents might even see how poor an effort all this was... resources were given results not achieved by the coaching staff. Morace has to step up and shake this one out, its her baby .. no one elses.

[18 Yards]

Well said Trillium and bang on. Case in point about BR. This is his second U17 world Cup (he only got it this year becuase of Bridge and the CSA did not want to spend alot of money on a replacement) and even thou we all jumped for joy when the team beat the USA (Me included) I knew the States realy beat themselves...but yes our girls played a great defencive game with 8 behind the ball. In his first U17 World cup he took 3 keepers from the start. He then put his number one in place and played her thru CONCACAF made it thru.....then a couple of months later drops her and brings in a new number one for the World Cup. A Keeper he has seen so many times, but all of a sudden takes her in. Now she was a good keeper, but what a second guessing game that went thru ALL the players heads just before the cup. So many player in the past have spoken about the mind games BR plays...some have said the players are more worried about BR's head games then the game itself.

So this time around, once again like you mention, his selection process was at fault. So many players were cut 3 years ago that had the skill to go foward, however they did not run hard enough and could not kick the ball far enough or they got knocked of the ball to many times by the bigger athletic player. Never will forget when BR said "You pass the ball to much, you move your feet to much this is not Brazilian soccer or your back yard with your friends showing off" Well he was right, and it was handed to him tonight. Pink slips all around in that camp. I am done now sorry for the rant.

[Richard]

Guys, nobody can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. We may have quantity when it comes to registered players but the quality is just not there yet. National team coaches have to do the best they can with the product available to them. We could probably have fielded three entirely different squads equal to the one we saw today. It's not up to national team coaches to teach fundamental skills. If those skills are lacking in the product available to them it's already too late.

How many Canadians are there playing in the top European leagues relative to countries with a fraction of our population? I rest my case.

[18 Yards]

Do not agree with the whole quantity over quality thing. There are plenty quality players in this country. E.P used that excuse for years. It is just not true. They are thrown to the wind at 13 years of age, casted out by the program by the bigger , stronger and more determined kids (who have the extra pounds and grit to over power them) and that is Canadas foundation..Athletes not skilled players. What happens to that skilled, creative player who is told at 13 by the Provincial coaches "Sorry kid your not good enough" many go back to thier club and play with thier friends, never to ignite that spark, hope and dreams again. You can not say "Well if they gave up then we don't want them" Well they are only 13 years of age what do you expect them to think or do.....the fault is not in the player quality it is in the coaching quality and our over quanity off poor coaching and lack of soccer knowledge to develope and reconize.....just my opinion

[Richard]

OK, but the reality when a U-17 national coach has to select a team now what does he have to choose from? That's my point. Are you blaming the current national team coaches for the quality of players that entered the system 10+ years ago? They have to work with the product delivered to them.

[navycyr]

OK, but the reality when a U-17 national coach has to select a team now what does he have to choose from? That's my point. Are you blaming the current national team coaches for the quality of players that entered the system 10+ years ago? They have to work with the product delivered to them.

Talent is there. It is just ignored by people that don't want to recognize talent might develop elsewhere than NTCs because if athletes can develop outside NTCs as well as or better than those in the program, they feel it might be perceived as an acknowledgement they have been wrong in their previous selections or that NTCs are not the only or best way to develop soccer athletes. When I see a National Team coach attend a National club championship not inviting the best striker of the tournament with 9 goals in 5 games, 5 of those in the final game, I know there is something terribly wrong with the system and that we don't try to send the best persons available to represent us. Altough I find it sad for the young lady, I am glad for her teammates because having the whole staff available they were able to qualify for this year national championships and have the opportunity to defend their national title.

[Richard]

You are clearly riding a hobbyhorse :-)

[StrandOne]

I love that Voyageurs are some of the most knowledgeable fans I've had the privilege to enjoy exchanges with. But when did it turn into Gripefest 'r' Us ? I hear more complaints than solutions from Voyageurs. The most prevalent "solution" is to get rid of everyone in the existing hierarchy. So I ask-- REPLACE THEM WITH WHO? HOW DO WE VET THE BEST CANDIDATES FOR THE POSITIONS Y'ALL WANT TO VACATE?