jonovision Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I am hopeful for some new names, but Issey and Josh probably needed to be called as we are not deep at the outside midfield spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crampton Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I suspect there would be a serious breakdown in the relationship between TFC and the CSA if those four players were all called up. Dallas is (very quietly) the hottest team in MLS and haven't lost since something like April. TFC are terrible away. As usual anything can happen but I'm not counting on anything, even a good performance, from that game and won't be heartbroken if TFC fields a secondary line-up. You could even argue that with all the CCL games added to the schedule it'd be better for TFC's core to stay in T.O. and only play 45 to 60 minutes instead of travelling with the team. From a marketing perspective it's completely better if those guys start to be identified with the national team in the Toronto market. And I'm generally a club before country guy in principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Could they call 2 for one match, and 2 for the other? Call me naive, but why doesn't the CSA just call up whoever the hell they want??? Bloody hell, Spain called up seven(7!) Barcelona players for a pointless, meaningless, and ultimately unwanted friendly halfway across the world in Mexico. Granted they have more pull, but this is a FIFA date, and the National Team should come first on those days. I expect to see Coach Hart pick the squad he wants, and not bow to TFC(or any club for that matter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Dallas is (very quietly) the hottest team in MLS and haven't lost since something like April. TFC are terrible away. As usual anything can happen but I'm not counting on anything, even a good performance, from that game and won't be heartbroken if TFC fields a secondary line-up. You could even argue that with all the CCL games added to the schedule it'd be better for TFC's core to stay in T.O. and only play 45 to 60 minutes instead of travelling with the team. From a marketing perspective it's completely better if those guys start to be identified with the national team in the Toronto market. And I'm generally a club before country guy in principle. I would love to see the 4 TFC players in the lineup against Peru and I think you have a real good point about the marketing aspect, I'm not sure Preki would just give away the possible points in the heat of a play off chase no matter how daunting a task it might be to get a result in Dallas! I've mentioned earlier, I REALLY want to see Cann and Nana paired up for Canada, they're developing a great understnding which would be hard to duplicate no matter what other pairing you come up with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Call me naive, but why doesn't the CSA just call up whoever the hell they want??? Bloody hell, Spain called up seven(7!) Barcelona players for a pointless, meaningless, and ultimately unwanted friendly halfway across the world in Mexico. Granted they have more pull, but this is a FIFA date, and the National Team should come first on those days. I expect to see Coach Hart pick the squad he wants, and not bow to TFC(or any club for that matter). But then when you start doing that, you don't curry any favour for when you actually need it. Quick hypothetical example: Hart develops a good relationship with Preki so that when WCQ comes around and we're looking to bring the team together for a pre-WCQ friendly not on a FIFA date, if they have this good relationship and if certain understandings are in place, it would be easier to call in the guys you need at that point. This is just a friendly. Of course, in that example, Preki is still the coach in a year and with TFCs track record.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 No club in the world, regardless of the relationship with a given FA is going to give up a player for a non-FIFA date friendly during their season unless they are forced to or reimbursed (thinking of the Mexican clubs prior to this WC). If we had our own league and could re-schedule games we could made agreements only to take a certain # of players etc. But the CSA only sanctions 3 teams right now and doesn't have control over the schedule so it's not even really worth exploring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I understand the argument around trying to find a regular lineup and create cohesion... but I'm curious as to who you guys consider to be the "core" players... keeping in mind that there's another year and a half of aging between these guys and our most important games in 2014 qualifying. I agree. The point of going with those experimental players was to find a diamond in rough? Or, more appropriately, who can play. Too early to say if Hart succeeded. But there there were certainly one or two from that group (Pacheco, Sidra and McCallum who come to mind) that deserve second look. The point about core players: If we mean by core to be those who were part of the last WCQ efforts, then what is achieved by going back to the well with the group that you previously failed with. What is that saying again about the definition of insanity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 No club in the world, regardless of the relationship with a given FA is going to give up a player for a non-FIFA date friendly during their season unless they are forced to or reimbursed (thinking of the Mexican clubs prior to this WC). TFC did just that when they released both DeRo and JDG for the Argentina friendly in May. Granted, Julian didn't travel due to injury, but he was given permission to play by Preki/TFC. And that's why what RJB suggested is naive. Preki has shown to be willing to compromise, so Hart should do the same in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 ^ If Preki is still TFC coach come 2012 there is something to be said about making sure the relationship between him and Hart is good, because if Preki convinces players into international retirement to avoid missing League games for WCQ that is a major issue (something we've seen managers all around the world do, I'm not picking out Preki as being the bad guy here, obviously for him he'd prefer his players to be retired from international play but if he has a good relationship with Hart he would be more willing to let his players go out to play during 2012). So if that means sacrificing players for a few friendlies so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 TFC did just that when they released both DeRo and JDG for the Argentina friendly in May. Granted, Julian didn't travel due to injury, but he was given permission to play by Preki/TFC. And that's why what RJB suggested is naive. Preki has shown to be willing to compromise, so Hart should do the same in return. Sorry, i should have specified missing games. In this case DeRo (and Julian if he was healthy) didn't miss any time with TFC for the Argentina friendly. I guess this would work, but it's not ideal since the players will miss most of any training regimen prior to the friendly. Several FA's in Central America will shutdown the league or delay the start of the league to allow the NT to hold extended training camps to prepare for WC. The Mexican FA which is loaded with $$$ can get the clubs to bend for them and release some players during the season where they will actually miss games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 TFC did just that when they released both DeRo and JDG for the Argentina friendly in May. Granted, Julian didn't travel due to injury, but he was given permission to play by Preki/TFC. And that's why what RJB suggested is naive. Preki has shown to be willing to compromise, so Hart should do the same in return. What concerns me, is that when World Cup Qualifying/Gold Cup comes around, and we inevitably struggle because the squad hasn't been together for enough friendlies, we will be the ones to suffer. This is a FIFA date. There is no need to compromise in my opinion. It is up to MLS to schedule around these dates, rather than the National Teams make compromises. The CSA has all the leeway here. Congratulations to Preki for letting his top two players go and play in a game that could be the highlight of their international career, and not miss any games for him. His philanthropy comes into question if he's going to raise a stink on a FIFA date though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 What concerns me, is that when World Cup Qualifying/Gold Cup comes around, and we inevitably struggle because the squad hasn't been together for enough friendlies, we will be the ones to suffer. This is a FIFA date. There is no need to compromise in my opinion. It is up to MLS to schedule around these dates, rather than the National Teams make compromises. The CSA has all the leeway here. The issue is not whether MLS should or should not schedule around FIFA dates. The issue is that MLS currently does not, and that's not the fault of Preki nor any of the other MLS coaches, nor is it the fault of Hart. It's just the way it is right now, so not pissing off the club coaches of our players is another thing that Hart needs to keep in mind. Your "**** it, MLS needs to get with the program" stance is all well and good in theory, but in reality it wouldn't work out so well. Hart would be cutting off his nose to spite his face if he demanded the players without respecting the club coaches. Congratulations to Preki for letting his top two players go and play in a game that could be the highlight of their international career, and not miss any games for him. His philanthropy comes into question if he's going to raise a stink on a FIFA date though. BTW, DeRo did in fact miss a TFC match to go play in the Argentina friendly on the non-FIFA date. He flew directly from Vancouver to Buenos Aires for that game, while his teammates flew to Toronto and played a game vs. New England without him. De Guzman was also supposed to be on that flight to Buenos Aires. I do appreciate the attempt at sarcasm, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 The issue is not whether MLS should or should not schedule around FIFA dates. The issue is that MLS currently does not, and that's not the fault of Preki nor any of the other MLS coaches, nor is it the fault of Hart. It's just the way it is right now, so not pissing off the club coaches of our players is another thing that Hart needs to keep in mind. Your "**** it, MLS needs to get with the program" stance is all well and good in theory, but in reality it wouldn't work out so well. Hart would be cutting off his nose to spite his face if he demanded the players without respecting the club coaches. BTW, DeRo did in fact miss a TFC match to go play in the Argentina friendly on the non-FIFA date. He flew directly from Vancouver to Buenos Aires for that game, while his teammates flew to Toronto and played a game vs. New England without him. De Guzman was also supposed to be on that flight to Buenos Aires. I do appreciate the attempt at sarcasm, though. Thanks for recognizing my attempt at sarcasm. However, I'm forced to try again at my original point. What is the benefit of keeping the clubs happy? I can see the benefit during non-FIFA dates, and that the CSA should not push their luck but this is a FIFA date, and the CSA should assert some control here. Allowing the clubs to control the players benefits the clubs only, and the last time I checked, I was four when Canada was in a World Cup, and I can't even remember it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 No club in the world, regardless of the relationship with a given FA is going to give up a player for a non-FIFA date friendly during their season unless they are forced to or reimbursed (thinking of the Mexican clubs prior to this WC).That statement doesn't seem to make sense given that TFC did release both de Guzman and De Rosario for the Argentina game which was on a non-FIFA date ..., forcing them to miss a TFC game. Not sure your point here ... even after your clarification above. I'd think that the Argentina release would have had a price, presumably Hart did discuss that with Preki or TFC ... and they already knew about the September friendlies, and TFC's September MLS schedule at that time. I'd think that this is already a done deal, and has been for months. Though if they do call up all 4 TFC players, then I guess I'm wrong. (hmm, perhaps Hart could call up White ... and keep him.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 I agree. The point of going with those experimental players was to find a diamond in rough? Or, more appropriately, who can play. Too early to say if Hart succeeded. But there there were certainly one or two from that group (Pacheco, Sidra and McCallum who come to mind) that deserve second look. The point about core players: If we mean by core to be those who were part of the last WCQ efforts, then what is achieved by going back to the well with the group that you previously failed with. What is that saying again about the definition of insanity? I didn't get to see the Venezuela match but of the three listed I wonder if Pacheco made enough of an impression to get a call for September. It sounded from reports here that he's got some technical savvy and could push for a spot in midfield which is a good thing because it might bring the very best out of the incumbent "core" guys who are first team regulars. If Hart choses to stay with a 4-3-3/4-5-1, his central midfield threesome may be JDG, Hutch, and Pacheco. I think Hart needs to play his best available lineup for both matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick10 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Peruvian coach called up their international players for this game Santiago Acasiete- Almeria - la liga Carlos Zambrano - St Pauli - Bundesliga Alberto Rodriguez- Sporting Braga - Portugal 1 division Juan Vargas- Fiorentina - Seria A Roberto Guizazola- Rosario Central - Argentina 2 division Josepmir Ballon - River Plate- Argentina 1 division Jefferson Farfan - Shalke - Bundesliga Wilmer Aguirre - San Luis - Mexican First division Claudio Pizarro - Werder Bremen - Bundesliga Jose Carlos Fernandez - Deportivo Quito - Ecuadorian first division Hernan Rengifo -AC Omonia - Cyprus first division Only one missing there is Paolo Guerrero from Hamburgo who just came off an injury . It s also reported that Rodriguez and Rengifo wont play against Canada as Peru is playing two friendlies ( they will be on their second friendly) . Peruvian Coach still hasnt call the players from the peruvian league but it seems like Peru will be playing a 3-5-2 that would look something like this ---------------Butron -----Galliquio---Acasiete----Zambrano ---Guizazola---Torres---Ballon-----Vargas ------Farfan----Pizarro----Aguirre maybe J sanches ( soon to be cruz azul) and Reymond Manco ( still with PSV but on loan) may make a sub in Peru will attack on the wings . Very dangerous with fast players like guizazola , farfan , vargas and aguirre. Weakest point is their defense as they have not play a 3-5-2 ever , and with rodriguez resting the first game , it will be tough ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 ^ Thanks for the info about the Peruvian team, rick. Looks like a full (almost) " A " roster ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick10 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 ^ Thanks for the info about the Peruvian team, rick. Looks like a full (almost) " A " roster ... Yes they just hired markarian as their new coach ( ex paraguay ) . So they are comming full squad to play against canada which should be a very good test for canada. Only starters missing would be guerrero ( coming off injury) ,rodriguez who is resting the first game and their goolie butron This is a much different team from the last world cup qualifying where they suspended 4 players and a lot of them were injury , or not call up. Canada needs to watch out on the wings , as they will more than likely use their fast players ( vargas, aguirre , farfan and guizazola) to attack canada. Also peruvian center forward is deadly claudio pizarro , although he hasnt show a lot for their national team , he wasnt been used as a center foward ( coach decision) in the qualifying , now however he will be the man upfront. However peruvian weakness comes in the center midfield , where only ballon from river seems to be the only one that secure a spot there , while the other spot will be filled by domestic players . In defense , it still remains to be seen who is replacing rodriguez and how well they do with only 3 at the back Also peru is very week defending corners, free kicks , so maybe canada can take advantage of that Here is the list of domestic players for peru 1. Raúl Fernández (Universitario) 2. Salomón Libman (Alianza Lima) 3. Jesús Rabanal (Universitario) 4. Walter Vílchez (Alianza Lima) 5. Antonio Gonzales (Universitario) 6. Rainer Torres (Universitario) 7. Luis Ramírez (Universitario) 8. Reimond Manco (Juan Aurich) 9. Luis Advíncula (Sporting Cristal) 10. Jean Tragodara (Alianza Lima) 11. John Galliquio (Universitario) no much to highlight aside from manco ( on loan from psv) , tragodara ( had a good copa libertadores) . Very few good players missing from their domestic league J sanchez ( injured) , butron , ramos , hinostroza ( from san martin but have a league game), only butron is a starter , all the others are still average I think it should be a pretty even game. I m gla peru is taking their A squad , and no some domestic team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 ^^ Even game? Are you nuts? They have like 20 players and we only have TWO! ;> So who goes in net? Simpson or Nakajima? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick10 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Who did the canadian coach called? I havent seen a call up list yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
closetboostie Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Also peruvian center forward is deadly claudio pizarro , although he hasnt show a lot for their national team , he wasnt been used as a center foward ( coach decision) in the qualifying , now however he will be the man upfront. He just buried what could be the winner for Bremen against Sampdoria, hopefully he doesn't get that much time and space against us. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 ^^ Even game? Are you nuts? They have like 20 players and we only have TWO! ;> So who goes in net? Simpson or Nakajima? Lars confirmed: http://www.vif-fotball.no/article2968980.ece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Simeon Jackson has been called up, according to Jerrad Peters (via twitter) who spoked to him today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 Does someone "in the know" knows when SH will announce his roster? It was supposed to be this week so I guess it's either today or tomorrow but maybe they are struggling with getting some players.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 It's not just us it seems, alot of European countries still have not released their rosters for upcoming Euro 2012 qualifiers and the first games are being played on Friday Aug 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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