Soccerpro Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Fifa: making the CSA look competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Fifa: making the CSA look competent. Completely disagree. There is a difference between corrupt, undemocratic and incompetent. FIFA is guilty on the first two counts but I don't think it is a poorly run or incompetent organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Completely disagree. There is a difference between corrupt, undemocratic and incompetent. FIFA is guilty on the first two counts but I don't think it is a poorly run or incompetent organization. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Completely disagree. There is a difference between corrupt, undemocratic and incompetent. FIFA is guilty on the first two counts but I don't think it is a poorly run or incompetent organization. Ha Ha! Best comment about FIFA all year. Nice one grizz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdroze Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 I understand that "aid money" sent to a football organization is not really going to do much to feed or house the helpless and dirt-poor victims of a major natural disaster, but Good God! I thought my opinion of Jack Warner could not really get any lower... http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/91-warner-named-in-haitian-aid-scandal Warner named in Haitian aid scandal Written by Lasana Liburd On 12 February 2012 Trinidad and Tobago Works Minister and ex-FIFA Vice President Jack Warner is a central figure in a fresh financial scandal after an exclusive report by the UK Sunday Times revealed that close to $4.4 million (US$690,000) donated by FIFA and South Korea never made it to the Federation of Haitian Football (FHF). Warner, in his capacity as CONCACAF and Caribbean Football Union (CFU) president, collected $4.76 million (US$750,000) on behalf of Haiti after the Caribbean island was stunned by a massive earthquake on 12 January 2010. The Haitian government estimated that 316,000 persons were killed including over 30 football officials as the FHF building was reduced to rubble. However, FHF Yves Jean-Bart told Sunday Times reporters, James Corbett, Jonathan Calvert and Heidi Blake that only $381,000 (US$60,000) made it to grief-stricken nation from the aid money allegedly given to Warner. "Warner always told me your money is there, is available, any time," Jean-Bart told the Times, "but I didn't get it." Wired868 attempted to contact Warner by phone but the Chaguanas West MP has not yet responded to enquiries. FIFA today confirmed to Wired868.com that it wired $1.6 million (US$250,000) to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) account to be used as emergency aid in Haiti. The TTFF has been unable to properly account for the missing money and, as a result, FIFA will stop funding the local football body until further notice. "We can confirm that FIFA wired immediately after the devastating earthquake USD 250,000 as an emergency aid for Haiti to the account of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF)," the FIFA Media Office told Wired868. "This was on request of the then CONCACAF President Jack Warner and subsequently transferred to the TTFF account, in order to immediately provide support to Haiti. "FIFA can also confirm that it had been informed by the Haiti Football Association (FHF) in autumn 2011 that it had only received USD 60,000 of this emergency aid." FIFA further informed Wired868 that the TTFF will feel the brunt of its sanctions for failing to account for the money. "Consequently FIFA, in a letter, requested in October 2011 a full explanation from the TTFF into those funds," stated FIFA. "As FIFA has not received any satisfactory response FIFA has stopped with immediate effect any payments to the TTFF until it will receive proper accounts of these funds allocated as an immediate relief support to the FHF." FIFA provides each member association with an annual subvention of $1.6 million (US$250,000). The FIFA Media Office did not respond to Wired868 query as to why Haiti's aid money was sent through the TTFF and not via a CONCACAF or CFU account. Wired868 emailed the TTFF for response and, allthough an official acknowledged receiving the email, the local body is yet to reply. Warner toured Port-au-Prince in January 2010 and told Haitians that sport will play its part in helping the restoration of one of the world's poorest nations. Apart from FIFA aid, wealthy South Korean businessman and politician, Chung Mong-Joon, who is also a former FIFA vice president, donated $3.2 million (US$500,000) to Haiti's relief fund. South Korea was bidding to host the 2022 World Cup at the time. "It is a humanitarian crisis," said Warner. "Sport is a vehicle for social transformation... Let us share this hope with Haiti so she can rise again. "FIFA understands its role in inspiring a nation... Let us use sport to ignite hope." Warner further promised to coordinate aid efforts for Haiti. "My friends have told me that they are hungry and in need of basic human supplies," said Warner. "A tide of hungry humanity surrounds me. How can I not hear their cries for help? "When I return home I will personally embark on a food drive to get you these supplies." Haiti felt that Warner's actions fell well short of his noble words and complained to FIFA last year. FIFA subsequently released $2.4 million (US$379,500) to aid the restoration of Haitian football from a special projects fund and provided the FHF with a technical consultant for one year to help set up football development programmes there. The Times claimed sources close to the Korean Football Association provided payment details that showed their aid money initially went to a CONCACAF bank account in Trinidad. This money also allegedly failed to reach Haiti. It is unclear whether South Korea or CONCACAF will attempt to locate and recover this funds. FIFA's decision to cut funding for the TTFF is another untimely blow to the local body that is fighting half of the 2006 World Cup team in High Court and losing. The "Soca Warriors" seized all of the TTFF's removable assets last Wednesday in an effort to service a $4.6 million debt that the organisation failed to satisfy in October 2011. Thirteen 2006 World Cup players, the TTFF and its former President Oliver Camps return to court on Tuesday. Warner's disinclination to provide financial accountability will again be a talking point as the ex-FIFA vice president failed to follow Justice Devindra Rampersad's instructions to provide, by 10 February 2012, written accounts of all income, donations, gifts, grants, benefits and expenditure related to the 2006 World Cup. The Works Minister, who quit FIFA last June while a subject of bribery allegations, was also subjected to a recent audit by the Finance Ministry over his handling of the Program for Upgrading Road Efficiency (PURE) although the results have not yet been made public. In the case of the allegedly misplaced Haitian funds, it seems that the TTFF will absorb the brunt of FIFA's punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I am tired of seeing stuff like this under this thread when it is not a reflection of FIFA organization. I propose that this be relocated to a new thread called Warner or T&T corruption. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I am tired of seeing stuff like this under this thread when it is not a reflection of FIFA organization. I propose that this be relocated to a new thread called Warner or T&T corruption. Thanks. Agreed! there must be plenty of other stones to look under, rather than Just those on the Caribbean beeches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I am tired of seeing stuff like this under this thread when it is not a reflection of FIFA organization. I propose that this be relocated to a new thread called Warner or T&T corruption. Thanks. How is this not a reflection of FIFA corruption? FIFA's corrupt president used and bribed Warner and the T and T FA to win re-election in a corrupt manner fully knowing and approving of Warner's corrupt practices. FIFA and Blatter put Warner in the position to use football for corrupt purposes even if the two criminals have had a falling out. FIFA even sending money for Haiti through Warner and the TTFA is corrupt in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 How is this not a reflection of FIFA corruption? FIFA's corrupt president used and bribed Warner and the T and T FA to win re-election in a corrupt manner fully knowing and approving of Warner's corrupt practices. FIFA and Blatter put Warner in the position to use football for corrupt purposes even if the two criminals have had a falling out. FIFA even sending money for Haiti through Warner and the TTFA is corrupt in itself. So I guess you don't agree with my proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdroze Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 So I guess you don't agree with my proposal. I certainly don't. The actions of Warner are central to the issue of FIFA's systemic problems surrounding corruption. If I post more in here about Warner than others, it's mainly because: a) Warner seems to have been the most blatant and brazen example of a corrupt FIFA official, and for a long time he was our (i.e., Canada's) most senior representative within the FIFA inner circle. Please, feel free to post more about Mohamed Bin Hammam, Issa Hayatou, Worawi Makudi, Ricardo Teixeira, etc, etc, etc. Please also feel free to ignore this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Jeffrey Webb of the Cayman Islands has been named the head of CONCACAF. One of his first moves was to release details on the financial indiscretions of Warner and Blazer! http://sports.yahoo.com/news/concacaf-nations-lash-disgraced-ex-154847392--sow.html A damning list of alleged financial mismanagement by former CONCACAF leaders Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer was outlined to 40 soccer nations Wednesday, just minutes after they elected Jeffrey Webb as their new president. The Cayman Islands banker was the only candidate to succeed disgraced former FIFA vice president Warner. He resigned last June to avoid an investigation of a bribery scandal. CONCACAF officials shone a harsh light on its accounts, which have been analyzed since March by consultants BDO. ''Material weaknesses and significant deficiencies'' in financial controls through 2010 were revealed and the body also had ''potential tax liabilities'' in excess of its $2 million allocated reserves, delegates were told. Warner ruled CONCACAF and Caribbean soccer for almost three decades before he resigned last year under pressure from FIFA. <snip> *** The article is long, i suggest reading all of it *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Excerpt from the ESPN article i posted in the Chuck Blazer thread: http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/story/_/id/7963340/concacaf-wants-chuck-blazer-us-ousted-fifa-executive-committee The revelation of Warner's legal ownership of a $22.5 million CONCACAF center of excellence in his native Trinidad and Tobago stunned officials. They also were outraged when they learned that Warner and former CONCACAF vice president Lisle Austin took out an unauthorized mortgage on the sprawling property in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) Also, Blatter announced that Concacaf will be awarded the 2026 World Cup. Just heard on GOL Tv news on the same report that Jeffrey Webb (Cayman Island) was announced as the new pres of Concacaf at the Fifa congress. Edited May 24, 2012 by Free kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 And that's why the Gold Cup makes tens of millions of dollars yet only pays out a couple of nickels in prize money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 FIFA hires ICC prosecutor Moreno-Ocampo to investigate corruption. http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/29/sport/football/fifa-moreno-ocampo/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Okay Its been a while but here the latest installment on FIFA-watch http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18804464 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Followed by. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18813156 Is this a smoking gun, or has the cordite has fully dispearsed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 On Fifa's website, Blatter says he knew about the payments but that they were legal at the time. He said: "Back then, such payments could even be deducted from tax as a business expense. Today, that would be punishable under law. "You can't judge the past on the basis of today's standards. Otherwise it would end up with moral justice. I can't have known about an offence that wasn't even one." Isn't it unbelievable that the country of Switzerland only made it illegal to receive bribes within the last decade!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Reminds me of the old Joke About the difference between Catholic and Calvanist drinks cabinets. The catholic one have glass doors on 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 On Fifa's website, Blatter says he knew about the payments but that they were legal at the time. He said: "Back then, such payments could even be deducted from tax as a business expense. Today, that would be punishable under law. "You can't judge the past on the basis of today's standards. Otherwise it would end up with moral justice. I can't have known about an offence that wasn't even one." Isn't it unbelievable that the country of Switzerland only made it illegal to receive bribes within the last decade!? No not surprising at all. Switzerland is a criminal state, the most corrupt state in the world. Except unlike most corrupt countries their own citizens benefit from the corruption and it is the citizens of other countries who suffer. It is no fluke that the majority of the world organizations are headquartered in Switzerland and that many of them have massive corruption. What is surprising is that not more is said/done about it but on the other hand that is not surprising either. If other countries governments were not benefiting from using Switzerland to do the things they can not legally do at home a state like that would not be permitted in the heart of Europe. And the same non-profit organizations who should also be leading the criticism of Switzerland happened to be headquartered where? I am also amused by the sudden interest in FIFA corruption in England after they did not get awarded the World Cup. Interesting that IOC corruption is not a very big topic in England these days. And English criticism of FIFA reminds me a lot of US criticism of the UN. They ignore both the major role that they had in making the organization what it is today and also the fact they are still one of the major countries directing current policy in the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Absolultey spot on! Speaking as a Brit I find the whole Olympic thing an embarassment. The cost, the disruption, the North Korean style promotion. Even sell tickets for the soccer on the back of Beckham before they shafted him didn't even make me smile. I don't dislike the guy enough to find that remotley amusing. I just glad I'm not paying my taxes into it damn thing. Unfortunatley me mother, who lives in a little seaside town over 200 miles away from the big smoke, is. Having Britain as the only country in the world at present , other than Syrria, to have weapons pointed towards it own citizens, almost makes one cry. I comes to something when a person come home from work to find their abode invaded by soldiers because someone going to be scuttling round a running track in a few weeks; that the self same person be one, who up until a few months ago was Banned for Life as adrug cheat. The spin the BOC put on having the rug pulled from under its bylaw was vomit inducing. I would wager that a far more intense fight would have been undertaken had the Olympics not been in the same year and in London. On alighter note, Its nice toi see that the cyclist of England and Australia have turned frances internal Obsesion into an ashes test on wheels. Oh and yes, by the way, Its apparently Illegal in Zurich to flush the toilet in an apartment block after 10pm. Or so I'm lead to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 ^^ Did an Englishman piss in your beer Grizz? If not, it can be arranged! Not yet but now you have me thinking about whether I left my beer unattended in your presence at Frappe a couple of years ago! Every country is fairly capable of pointing out the faults of others while conveniently ignoring their own, Canada included, but the English do seem to have a special propensity for this. It probably has to do with some sort of post-colonial power syndrome, ie. we used to get whatever we wanted and now we don't so something must be unfair in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 It not Propensity Grizz, its Pomposity! You tend to find that the FA, and its County Associations are still littered with Little Englanders who think that a Plan for winning the World Cup should still involve individuals called Ginger who can fly Lancasters into the Rhur Valley and back before Brekkie! The Tabloid and Broardsheet media, also take leave of their senses (and the often saged words of its regular soccer reporters) ever couple of years and puts out utter Bovine Scattology about how good the bloody English game is, when quite frankly its never any better than than last eight at any tournament these days. Its like at christmas time when you can't get near the bar of your local Pub due to all those People who turn up "Just for a quick one for the season" Personally I call it Amatures (two week) Fortnight. As for Panorama. Yes it does have a very Snotty attitude at times, but its not the handmaid of the FA. the fact that the BBC aired its Hatchet Job on Warner and FIFA three days before the 2018 must speak volumes of it's independence of the FA and the Current Encumbered Government. Personally I think it did the FA a favour. But the Pomposity again shows itself as the FA was lead a Merry dance through the bidding proces. Anybody with half a brain knew that, with Blatter's mantra of "development of the game" the last place the bid would be awared to is the one Country who's game is probably the most developed on the Planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 It not Propensity Grizz, its Pomposity! Can we get back to FIFA corruption and where the money goes ... like where does the TV money for Canada go for each WC cycle, is it to the CSA President or someother nome from Switzerland ? PS Grizz ... Alberta if you want to chat about the FA and Little Englanders .. I am all for it ... but make thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Point taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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