FC Edmonton 2010

[Trident]

[...]Montreal had long understood that you go out into the community -- and I mean, you press a lot of leather to a lot of pavement -- to meet he hardcore fan.

Montreal stopped community relations when they began raiding preschools for fans at the start. They're the antithesis of the "meeting the hardcore fan" model. Every step actual fans take in this city is uphill, and I don't just mean the ultras.

[Keano]

Montreal stopped community relations when they began raiding preschools for fans at the start. They're the antithesis of the "meeting the hardcore fan" model. Every step actual fans take in this city is uphill, and I don't just mean the ultras.

To be honest myself and several friends played soccer and followed Euro and International soccer for YEARS without even realizing that the Impact was more than a semi-pro beer-league team, due simply to lack of knowledge about it. They simply didn't come out to get us even though we were ripe for the taking, and have since become season ticket holding diehards by "accident". Their outreach to the potential real fans in the city is DISMAL.

[Blue and White Army]

Wow, this Edmonton GM is a clown. He sounds like the second coming of Nicole Hartrell!

Has he spoken with any of the other Canadian clubs? "Ethnic marketing" has always been a massive failure here in Canada.

And now he wants to market it like a baseball club? What does that mean? Gimmicks, theme nights and other bollocks?

If it's a footie club, just market it as such. Stop trying to market to uber-niche groups, and stop trying to make it about peripheral bells and whistles. Just market it as a footie club! Tons of Canadians play soccer, and heaps watch the EPL every week on Sportsnet. Market to them. FFS.

[Trident]

To be honest myself and several friends played soccer and followed Euro and International soccer for YEARS without even realizing that the Impact was more than a semi-pro beer-league team, due simply to lack of knowledge about it. They simply didn't come out to get us even though we were ripe for the taking, and have since become season ticket holding diehards by "accident". Their outreach to the potential real fans in the city is DISMAL.

Yup. By all reports, FCE does a better job finding fans than us.

Toronto

Vancouver

FCE

Gulls.

Thats the list of active front offices.

[Trillium]

Wow, this Edmonton GM is a clown. He sounds like the second coming of Nicole Hartrell!

Has he spoken with any of the other Canadian clubs? "Ethnic marketing" has always been a massive failure here in Canada.

And now he wants to market it like a baseball club? What does that mean? Gimmicks, theme nights and other bollocks?

If it's a footie club, just market it as such. Stop trying to market to uber-niche groups, and stop trying to make it about peripheral bells and whistles. Just market it as a footie club! Tons of Canadians play soccer, and heaps watch the EPL every week on Sportsnet. Market to them. FFS.

You can probably kiss FC Edmonton good bye.... your i will be there hard core.. ( jloome ) and others are apparently pissed and wont be talking the club up... you have managment at a loss to know what they are marketing and what age group to market too.... it all adds up to a failed project and pull out by end of year by the owners unless they need another year of tax loses.

To market pro football in Canada you need to attract a 18 to 30 year old age group..generally single male, who like cold beer, you need to give them some freedom to be a tribe... if you can entice a 10 to 15 % grouping of your attendance to be female all the better.

Forget about marketing to ethnic communities.. if you do do it.. its a add on a nice to have but its not your market a 50 year old second or third generation Ukranian is not going to go to games cause you have ukranian kid playing.

You need to get some freaking posters up in bars with your best looking eye candy players... featured with bare freaking abs... and the idea the game will be an event no matter the opposition no matter the score the event is the reason to go.. a bit of fireworks in the stands.. some raunch in the songs .. a few missed calls by the referees.. a little help from visiting teams having a player come off as jerk to the crowd ..and you get by in to the tribe.

Mel should market the team like a freaking Junior hockey team .. but up age target from 14 to 17 year olds in the stands to 18 to 30 year olds.

Hell for what he has wasted he could have had the Ultras turn up for game ... fly them in cheap on WestJet .... turn Grizzly loose and you have a instant tribe thing going on, I can see it now.. chants in french.. ..the cry of Puto everytime a FC Edmonton goalie kicks the ball... all from a dedicated group of Ultras .... that would get the Edmonton fans together.. fast.

When Ottawa gets its MLS franchise you can bet the first game will be against Montreal and it will have a traveling group of Ultras to get things going... hell they might even let them March down Palliduim Way from the nearest pub... to the game.... along with a police escort, then a parking lot tailgate.. before the game.

Then a return match in Montreal a month later for the newly minted supporters groups for MLS Ottawa to get tight on music and chants..thats marketing and thats what will make a club work.

[Razcle]

Trillium...

Although you know I always agree with your over-dramatized analogy on how Footie will work in Edmonton. The area does lack a close rival (ie Calgary) to get the locals out of their arm chairs and into the stadium. I don't even know if Vancouver is close enough to make that rivalry, however you can bank on the battles of Alberta in hockey and pointy ball would no doubt carry over to the soccer pitch in some forum.

Is there any talk on a Calgary pro team at all?

[rico]

Calgary right now is just rumors but wouldn't be surprised if any ownership group will do a wait and see! FCE success then a team in Calgary but if it fails don't expect anything

[jloome]

Forget about maketing ot ethnic communities.. if you do do it.. its a add on a nice to have but its not your market a 50 year old second or third generation Ukranian is not going to go to games cause you have ukranian kid playing.

You misunderstand what "marketing to ethnic communities" means, probably because you're in Montreal where it's understood that "ethnic" means "new" or "immigrant." In Alberta, it's simply anyone who identifies their roots as from elsewhere.

Almost eveyone in this country has a country of origin and many football fans have a team from that country. THat's what ethnic refers to in this case.

If you ignore that, you're ignoring your biggest ticket base, and that's exactly whom both TFC and Seattle targeted. More importantly, they had community presence constantly through aggressive, clever marketing and pub nights.

If you only go after one demographci -- i.e. the 17-30 year olds -- you won't get a broad enough cross section to support the product. It's been tried, again and again, it has failed, again and again.

So you have to go after the "ethnic community."

[Blue and White Army]

If you only go after one demographci -- i.e. the 17-30 year olds -- you won't get a broad enough cross section to support the product. It's been tried, again and again, it has failed, again and again.

TFC have targeted that exact market, and have been a massive success.

And in terms of "past failures" regarding this approach: other than Toronto FC, can you name any professional soccer club in Canada's history that has clearly aimed for the 17-30 (or 17-45) male crowd? I can't think of one. So I'm confused as to what examples of past failures you are referring to.

So you have to go after the "ethnic community."

"Go after" is a little vague.

Toronto Lynx and (pre-Kerfoot) Vancouver Whitecaps went after the ethnic/family crowd by way of silly theme nights (e.g. "Latino Fever Night!", "Caribbean Fest Night!", etc.). They were cartoonish, amateur, and resulted in negligible increases in (season) ticket sales.

On the other hand, Toronto FC sat down with numerous groups, asked them why hadn't attended live footie in their city, asked them what it would take for a local footie club to entice them to attend, etc. The club targeted numerous groups, of virtually all significant nationalities in Toronto... most of whom were in the 17-to-45 age range, and were predominantly male.

Now, in terms of the FC Edmonton approach thus far... bringing in big clubs from Chile and Brazl is certainly better than silly theme nights with rented ethnic drummers... but is the average person in Alberta aware of these clubs? If the match was Brazil vs. Chile (national teams), the house would be packed... but two of their domestic clubs? You're going to attract soccer hardcore, but ultimately FC Edmonton's target market needs to expand wider. They need to attract people with the fact the soccer should involve passionate, engaged, and active fans - the antithesis of most of Edmonton's sports clubs to date (e.g. sitting on your hands at a family-oriented Edmonton Trappers match).

Edmonton's big two sports clubs are in NHL and CFL, leagues in which fans are often told to sit down and shut up. Surely a soccer club with ultras could excite a boatload of people bored with "the usual".

But now, FC Edmonton's GM is making noises about going after family crowds instead of soccer hardcore. It sounds like it will be a soccer version of the Edmonton Trappers. FAIL.

They need to market the sport as wild, engaging and the antithesis of other pro sports experiences in Edmonton. Catering to (but not directly engaging with) established "soccer hardcore" won't bring in the numbers; nor will a "family crowd" angle.

The FC Edmonton people clearly have no understanding of why Toronto and Seattle have worked. IMHO, FC Edmonton is a car wreck waiting to happen. If they go through with the "family" angle, then at best, they will become another Toronto Lynx with meek numbers that will fade into dull obscurity.

Next.

[rico]

well if FCE wants to go after the "ethnic community." how about inviting the Lebanese national team pretty sure that is a big community out here

[Trillium]

You misunderstand what "marketing to ethnic communities" means, probably because you're in Montreal where it's understood that "ethnic" means "new" or "immigrant." In Alberta, it's simply anyone who identifies their roots as from elsewhere.

Almost eveyone in this country has a country of origin and many football fans have a team from that country. THat's what ethnic refers to in this case.

If you ignore that, you're ignoring your biggest ticket base, and that's exactly whom both TFC and Seattle targeted. More importantly, they had community presence constantly through aggressive, clever marketing and pub nights.

If you only go after one demographci -- i.e. the 17-30 year olds -- you won't get a broad enough cross section to support the product. It's been tried, again and again, it has failed, again and again.

So you have to go after the "ethnic community."

Go get some demographic stats on Edmonton.. look at the size of the 17 to 30 market.... and then capture a mere 3% thats three people in the group out of a hundred and you have a sizeable and viable hard core, they do not have be soccer fans to start.. in fact I would argue its not required what you do have to sell is heart palpatations, energy... a bit a yelling to let of the pressures of modern life, its not hard to get.... it works in TO and in other citys, the supposition a Italian thrid generation who watches AC Milan on satellite in HD is your core fan is frankly nuits. Why the hell would they go out in the cold in October or rain in June to see a match when they get thier fix on SAT TV and can be at home ?

Your market has to be young looking for fun an event a place to be part of a group a new family that is not a gang as it were.

Now having actually marketed a game ... a single event and establishing the highest ticket price to that time in Canada for a woman's national team game and the largest dollar gate to that date... I have to tell you its not rocket science to get 3% of a market out .... the secret is to get them back... game day experience and that has to be generated in the stands by the fans.. no rock music, no cheerleaders as we know them in Canada... frankly no community club days with a 1000 timbit players in stands unless all you are doing is selling coke and hotdogs.

... but hey .. its Edmonton maybe the market is truly unique and different and old guys with lousy prostates wearing over home jerseys is the market, if thats it.. goodbye FC Edmonton.

[fishman]

I strongly suggest that the money that FCE committed to the friendly matches - Colo Colo, Vitoria (although they didn't play them - wow) and soon-to-be Portsmouth - would have been better spent on properly marketing the team. That is, hire some people that know what they are doing, hold town-hall meetings, get a proper website with knowledgeable administrators...

As much as I dearly want this to work, I am afraid that the Fath Group has placed their trust in a marketing model that is unlikely to work. If it did, wouldn't the Oilers have hired Kowalchuk to run their baseball Capitals? Or brought him in to help bring back Triple-A ball?

[jloome]

Go get some demographic stats on Edmonton.. look at the size of the 17 to 30 market.... and then capture a mere 3% thats three people in the group out of a hundred and you have a sizeable and viable hard core, they do not have be soccer fans to start.. in fact I would argue its not required what you do have to sell is heart palpatations, energy... a bit a yelling to let of the pressures of modern life, its not hard to get.... it works in TO and in other citys, the supposition a Italian thrid generation who watches AC Milan on satellite in HD is your core fan is frankly nuits. Why the hell would they go out in the cold in October or rain in June to see a match when they get thier fix on SAT TV and can be at home ?

Your market has to be young looking for fun an event a place to be part of a group a new family that is not a gang as it were.

Now having actually marketed a game ... a single event and establishing the highest ticket price to that time in Canada for a woman's national team game and the largest dollar gate to that date... I have to tell you its not rocket science to get 3% of a market out .... the secret is to get them back... game day experience and that has to be generated in the stands by the fans.. no rock music, no cheerleaders as we know them in Canada... frankly no community club days with a 1000 timbit players in stands unless all you are doing is selling coke and hotdogs.

... but hey .. its Edmonton maybe the market is truly unique and different and old guys with lousy prostates wearing over home jerseys is the market, if thats it.. goodbye FC Edmonton.

I think marketing to 17-30 year olds alone in Edmonton would kill you. This isn't Toronto. We have a population of one million, and 35,000 of those go to every Eskimos game, and they play at the same time as the soccer team. We also have a baseball team already drawing 6,000 or so a game.

More power to your ability to get people out to a women's soccer match, which indicates absolutely nothign when it comes to marketing the pro game. The reality is, the "ethnic" base we've been talking about INCLUDES your 17-30s. I talk to the TFC base every day, and have for four years. THE VAST MAJORITY were fans of overseas clubs already, that came from the same cultural backgroundj they did.

What part of that aren't you getting? It's the same in Seattle. And there are tons -- tons -- of over 40 people at TFC games, as I discovered last night. Almost everyone in our row was. Why? Becaue they have the disposible income necessary.

So, logically, what you're suggesting is just dumb and is most definitely NOT how these teams have achieved their success.

AS for the hardcores adding atmosphere, yes, it's important. But it's not the be-all and end all, or U-Sector would'd made the Lynx popular.

The formular is easy: find existing soccer fans. There are millions already. THey don't need to be converted, just convinced to follow a local club as well. Then give them as professional a sheen on everything as you can.

And that's my last word on this issue, because if you can't see the common sense of not having a key demographic (although you basically admit to it by suggesting it makes sense to sell to those guys, just not key on it), we'll have to agree to disagree. What you're seeing as "17-30" is RPB and U-Sector and NEE. THey make up less than a quarter of the fans in the seats. Yes, they sell the atmosphere, which keys the rest.

BUT you still need the rest. And those people aren't coming because of those sections -- they dont' sit in them, because they're too rowdy -- they're coming because the overall package meets their expectations, based on what they've seen from overseas.

[jloome]

I strongly suggest that the money that FCE committed to the friendly matches - Colo Colo, Vitoria (although they didn't play them - wow) and soon-to-be Portsmouth - would have been better spent on properly marketing the team. That is, hire some people that know what they are doing, hold town-hall meetings, get a proper website with knowledgeable administrators...

As much as I dearly want this to work, I am afraid that the Fath Group has placed their trust in a marketing model that is unlikely to work. If it did, wouldn't the Oilers have hired Kowalchuk to run their baseball Capitals? Or brought him in to help bring back Triple-A ball?

THis was my argument from day one. I was essentially told that it made sense, but they weren't going to go that way, because they wanted to figure it out on their own terms.

[Trillium]

I think marketing to 17-30 year olds alone in Edmonton would kill you. This isn't Toronto. We have a population of one million, and 35,000 of those go to every Eskimos game, and they play at the same time as the soccer team. We also have a baseball team already drawing 6,000 or so a game.

So how many fans do you need to draw in Edmonton each game at an average of 15 bucks a head in the till to make it a go ?

I bet its in the range of five to six thousand based on 20 home games an annual gate of 1.5 to 1.7 million plus ancillarys.

If you get 5000 in the 17 to 30 crowd ... with disposable income you have you nut more then cracked, and they create the atmosphere accept is needed to get your Euro's to come out to the games.

More power to your ability to get people out to a women's soccer match, which indicates absolutely nothign when it comes to marketing the pro game. The reality is, the "ethnic" base we've been talking about INCLUDES your 17-30s. I talk to the TFC base every day, and have for four years. THE VAST MAJORITY were fans of overseas clubs already, that came from the same cultural backgroundj they did.

I actually suspect your right...they

tell you they support a barca or a Manchester United

they bought the jerseys but they were not football fans

for the live game... I would love to see a market

survey of RPB USector etc to determine how many

actually play the game today or attended university

or other matches before MLS, I suspect the numbers would

be interesting on the side of non-involvment.. and

i dont mean they played pick up at 12 ...or on a

park field on sunday mornings.

What part of that aren't you getting?

It's the same in Seattle. And there are tons -- tons -- of

over 40 people at TFC games, as I discovered last night.

Almost everyone in our row was. Why? Becaue they have

the disposible income necessary.

So you sat in section you could buy a one time ticket in and

you had lots of 40 year olds in the section ? Shocker they

as you admit are there for the event..which is as it should

be, even if they are die hard old time footy fans from over home

they would then be the types who would love the Kop as it were,

again ...the core of TFC types that make the stadia rock and

make it an event are 17 to 30s ( yes stretch it to 40 if you want

cause folks marry late in Toronto )

So, logically, what you're suggesting is just dumb

and is most definitely NOT how these teams have achieved

their success.

I might be dumb as you say but I am pretty confident in

my belief that you must have the, 18 to 30 demographic or

the show just wont go, we can beg to differ and when you

take me to a FC Edmonton game with the crowd of more then

5000 and more they 50% over forty i will concede in that

market.. you want old guys with lousy prostates limiting

themselves to only one beer per half of the game.

I am sure in Ottawa .. when MLS arrives the demographic will

be 17 to 30 who initially watched live games during World Cup

U20's and loved the atmosphere, there will be older fans yes

some of them in the expensive seats, but the core to make it

go will be younger.

I can tell you this .. MLS in Montreal is result of two things

the Ultras having a building KOP and excitement there and the

game against Santos Laguna that brought out people for a soccer

event in unprecidented numbers in February ... against a market

with the Montreal Canadians hockey club.

Remove the ultras in Montreal and you have a Toronto Lynx event

moms and kids at discounted tickets... and disco music blasting

from the sound system, hell Montreal has a Brasilian samba band

playing at games ( and much as i like things brasilian and its

folkloric culturial expressions

http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/mundo/caso+de+pole+dancer+e+a+mais+recente+controversia+de+berlusconi/n1237696376085.html

I hate watching faux samba groups with no bottom end to work,

hell get piper instead...or a good fiddler.

AS for the hardcores adding atmosphere, yes, it's important. But it's not the be-all and end all, or U-Sector would'd made the Lynx popular.

The formular is easy: find existing soccer fans.

There are millions already. THey don't need to be converted,

just convinced to follow a local club as well.

Then give them as professional a sheen on everything as

you can.

And that's my last word on this issue,

because if you can't see the common sense of

not having a key demographic

(although you basically admit to it by

suggesting it makes sense to sell to those guys,

just not key on it), we'll have to agree to disagree.

What you're seeing as "17-30" is RPB and U-Sector and NEE.

THey make up less than a quarter of the fans in the seats.

Yes, they sell the atmosphere, which keys the rest.

BUT you still need the rest.

And those people aren't coming because of those sections

-- they dont' sit in them, because they're too rowdy

-- they're coming because the overall package

meets their expectations, based on what they've seen

from overseas.

Crap...they dont sit in them cause there are no tickets left.

Yes ... the overall atmosphere works and it does cause of the

core in the supporters groups those who stand and cheer those

who sing..those who make TIFO's .... without it ..its a dead

stadia.

I think you need an alive stadium first before the

40 to 60 year olds will come to the game ..every second week,

so we agree to disagree, but when FC Edmonton folds for lack

of fan base after the moms and tots marketing and the ethnic

marketing fails, and the steel band promotions fail you might

change your tune.

[alberta white]

Back in the midst of time, well before the EPL anyway, Football in the UK was a working mans game. It grew as a working mans sport. All 41 leauge games kicked off at 3.00pm Saturday afternoon (so the lads ont' morning shift could get t' ground like.) and apart from the posh people in the main 'Grandstand' people use to stand up to watch.

One of the highlights of life came in my twenties at Anfield, before they built the 'New Kop' We (me and 10,000 of me mates) Stood on the Old terrace and 'Sucked' the winning goal in against Auxerre, in the 1992 Uefa Cup 2nd round 2nd Leg. Cost? under £10.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUy5xJIdKWE

Okay it was a few years ago It was a top flight game at what amounted to then to be a premium price. Thing is at the Level that FCE are at now the equivelent clubs are still charging about £10 a game. (some of these you can still stand at)

Personally, I hate sitting down at football. and If i was a German I wouldn't stand for it!

So If you want to do something radical, and only because foote has that grass bank below the General seating, I'd offer $7.00 gate admission to stand on the bank (Keep it to over 14's only, you don't want it to turn into a picnic area).

Its Probably a pipe dream as the Health and Safety (or Fun Police as i usually call them) will say its too dangerous, but its the closes thing to a terrace at the place. And if you look at the German League (i cant spell Bundesleigue) they still have terracing even after the taylor report. Because the fans denanded it. (hence the gag above?)

To lighten the mood somewhat, and If your wondering how the Canada celebrations event went check the photos... Someone called Dwight seems to be a happy chap:)

http://www.fcedmonton.com/content/fc-edmonton-gets-their-kicks-canada-day

I'm clicking on the Youtube vid now, to relive my youth.

Damn! its really crap all Jimmy Chin and Hansen. Trust me the Liverpool comeback was Legend!

[jloome]

So how many fans do you need to draw in Edmonton each game at an average of 15 bucks a head in the till to make it a go ?

I bet its in the range of five to six thousand based on 20 home games an annual gate of 1.5 to 1.7 million plus ancillarys.

If you get 5000 in the 17 to 30 crowd ... with disposable income you have you nut more then cracked, and they create the atmosphere accept is needed to get your Euro's to come out to the games.

I actually suspect your right...they

tell you they support a barca or a Manchester United

they bought the jerseys but they were not football fans

for the live game... I would love to see a market

survey of RPB USector etc to determine how many

actually play the game today or attended university

or other matches before MLS, I suspect the numbers would

be interesting on the side of non-involvment.. and

i dont mean they played pick up at 12 ...or on a

park field on sunday mornings.

So you sat in section you could buy a one time ticket in and

you had lots of 40 year olds in the section ? Shocker they

as you admit are there for the event..which is as it should

be, even if they are die hard old time footy fans from over home

they would then be the types who would love the Kop as it were,

again ...the core of TFC types that make the stadia rock and

make it an event are 17 to 30s ( yes stretch it to 40 if you want

cause folks marry late in Toronto )

I might be dumb as you say but I am pretty confident in

my belief that you must have the, 18 to 30 demographic or

the show just wont go, we can beg to differ and when you

take me to a FC Edmonton game with the crowd of more then

5000 and more they 50% over forty i will concede in that

market.. you want old guys with lousy prostates limiting

themselves to only one beer per half of the game.

I am sure in Ottawa .. when MLS arrives the demographic will

be 17 to 30 who initially watched live games during World Cup

U20's and loved the atmosphere, there will be older fans yes

some of them in the expensive seats, but the core to make it

go will be younger.

I can tell you this .. MLS in Montreal is result of two things

the Ultras having a building KOP and excitement there and the

game against Santos Laguna that brought out people for a soccer

event in unprecidented numbers in February ... against a market

with the Montreal Canadians hockey club.

Remove the ultras in Montreal and you have a Toronto Lynx event

moms and kids at discounted tickets... and disco music blasting

from the sound system, hell Montreal has a Brasilian samba band

playing at games ( and much as i like things brasilian and its

folkloric culturial expressions

http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/mundo/caso+de+pole+dancer+e+a+mais+recente+controversia+de+berlusconi/n1237696376085.html

I hate watching faux samba groups with no bottom end to work,

hell get piper instead...or a good fiddler.

Crap...they dont sit in them cause there are no tickets left.

Yes ... the overall atmosphere works and it does cause of the

core in the supporters groups those who stand and cheer those

who sing..those who make TIFO's .... without it ..its a dead

stadia.

I think you need an alive stadium first before the

40 to 60 year olds will come to the game ..every second week,

so we agree to disagree, but when FC Edmonton folds for lack

of fan base after the moms and tots marketing and the ethnic

marketing fails, and the steel band promotions fail you might

change your tune.

Where did you get the idea that I like the idea of marketing to Moms and Tots? Claptrap. Agree to disagree if you want, that's civil. Don't put words into my mouth.

[alberta white]

Guys i was thinking....

Would it make sense if we put down our best positive (1 liner-ish) suggestion over the Next couple of days so that Strobe or CV could perhaps get these on paper to the club for the Fury or Pompey Games? Strobe CV any chance you could field and edit these ?

I'll go first.

#1- Open up the Western Banking for pay at the gate standing room close up action;).

Additional,

As I finally cracked the FCE Enigma code that is the Clubs website forum, I posted the first of many (okay then 20) Historical posts for young V's and canadian soccer fans with a passing intrest in the EPL.

All Comments Welcome:eek:

Enjoy

http://forums.fcedmonton.com/index.p...c57b6ca#msg_86

[Trillium]

Where did you get the idea that I like the idea of marketing to Moms and Tots? Claptrap. Agree to disagree if you want, that's civil. Don't put words into my mouth.

Seriously re read my post ... find where i attribute Mom's and tots marketing to you... i referred to the Lynx.. but hey if you want to call people dumb... ( which you did ) dont then come on ranting i put words in your mouth when i did not. Get a cogente argument .. get your thoughts in line and prepare a logical response to an argument, its a much better way to exist on a on line forum.

PS ... I thought you said two posts ago it was your last word..opps ... i just got it dumb me.. you cant remember the post you just read let alone two posts ago. As they say over home... Wanker.

[Trillium]

Guys i was thinking....

Would it make sense if we put down our best positive (1 liner-ish) suggestion over the Next couple of days so that Strobe or CV could perhaps get these on paper to the club for the Fury or Pompey Games? Strobe CV any chance you could field and edit these ?

I'll go first.

#1- Open up the Western Banking for pay at the gate standing room close up action;).

Make it a hate the feds day .... prize for best anti-Ottawa banner !!!! or you could have a hate Trillium section for Jloome....

[ESG Shawn]

Guys i was thinking....

Would it make sense if we put down our best positive (1 liner-ish) suggestion over the Next couple of days so that Strobe or CV could perhaps get these on paper to the club for the Fury or Pompey Games? Strobe CV any chance you could field and edit these ?

I'll go first.

#1- Open up the Western Banking for pay at the gate standing room close up action;).

http://forums.fcedmonton.com/index.p...c57b6ca#msg_86

AW,

We (River_City, Strobe and myself) asked the club about opening up the hill for the supporters section. The club had some reservations about it, and apparently there are some concerns from Foote, however, nothing was set in stone (either yes or no).

After the Impact match at Foote, we realized the hill is too far away from the field of play. The Endzone plus the turf behind the endzone puts us at least 25 to 30 yards behind the goal, which effectively kills any chance of us heckling the opposing keeper. Our current set up (temporary bleacher in the corner) has us about 10 feet from the corner flag, which lets the players hear us. Everyone stands up in the section anyways - we just need to fill it up with more people.

[TFCRegina]

Guys i was thinking....

Would it make sense if we put down our best positive (1 liner-ish) suggestion over the Next couple of days so that Strobe or CV could perhaps get these on paper to the club for the Fury or Pompey Games? Strobe CV any chance you could field and edit these ?

I'll go first.

#1- Open up the Western Banking for pay at the gate standing room close up action;).

Additional,

As I finally cracked the FCE Enigma code that is the Clubs website forum, I posted the first of many (okay then 20) Historical posts for young V's and canadian soccer fans with a passing intrest in the EPL.

All Comments Welcome:eek:

Enjoy

http://forums.fcedmonton.com/index.p...c57b6ca#msg_86

Hate on the National Energy Policy/Canadian Wheat Board/Saskatchewan Rally

[TFCRegina]

Can't seem to post on the FCE boards?

[jloome]

Make it a hate the feds day .... prize for best anti-Ottawa banner !!!! or you could have a hate Trillium section for Jloome....

Don't hate you dude, just don't agree with you and didn't particularly respect the cheap shots at the end of the debate. Don't have much time for hating anyone.

[alberta white]

Can't seem to post on the FCE boards?

Yes Its a bit Strange. Gives you a broken link notice but it does post new threads. You just have to reload to see them. Sort it out FCE!