dbailey62 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2009/12/14/sp-tfc-coach.html Percovich named new TFC assistant coach Uruguayan previously worked under Preki at Chivas USA Toronto FC management announced Monday that it has hired Leo Percovich as the team's new assistant coach. Percovich, 41, will serve under head coach Preki, whom he previously worked with at Chivas USA, and alongside fellow assistant coach Nick Dasovic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Looks like Mike Toshack may be moving on in addition to Paul Winsper given his role in the past appears to have been as a goalkeeping coach. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Percovich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Chivas_USA_season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Looks like Mike Toshack may be moving on in addition to Paul Winsper given his role in the past appears to have been as a goalkeeping coach. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Percovich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Chivas_USA_season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbailey62 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard Looks like Mike Toshack may be moving on in addition to Paul Winsper given his role in the past appears to have been as a goalkeeping coach. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Percovich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Chivas_USA_season I believe Toshack has another year on his contract so I doubt he's going anywhere. Without stating it, the story seems to give the impression that Percovich will be Preki's first assistant. That being the case, Toshack would remain as keeper coach. He's highly respected in that role so I can't see us ditching him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbailey62 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard Looks like Mike Toshack may be moving on in addition to Paul Winsper given his role in the past appears to have been as a goalkeeping coach. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Percovich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Chivas_USA_season I believe Toshack has another year on his contract so I doubt he's going anywhere. Without stating it, the story seems to give the impression that Percovich will be Preki's first assistant. That being the case, Toshack would remain as keeper coach. He's highly respected in that role so I can't see us ditching him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Toshack is staying as GK coach, Percovich will be the top assistant: http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=302352 "Mike Toshack will continue as Toronto's goalkeepers coach." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbailey62 Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 Toshack is staying as GK coach, Percovich will be the top assistant: http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=302352 "Mike Toshack will continue as Toronto's goalkeepers coach." Good news. Chivas supporters seem genuinely sad to be losing Percovich. I asked the members of the Big Soccer Chivas USA forum about their thoughts on Percovich. They seem genuinely sorry to lose him. http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1268154 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 What!!!.....no more Brits in the coaching staff? OMG, we're gonna make the playoffs in 2010!!! all we need is a local trainer and we'll be ready to take on anybody.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKottonmouthed1555362307 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Eric What!!!.....no more Brits in the coaching staff? OMG, we're gonna make the playoffs in 2010!!! all we need is a local trainer and we'll be ready to take on anybody.... Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Jakovic will be asking for a trade pretty quick to TFC with all his compatriots on board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 Toshack is staying as GK coach, Percovich will be the top assistant: http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=302352 "Mike Toshack will continue as Toronto's goalkeepers coach." It will be interesting to see whether it's Toshack or Percovich who works with Frei and Edwards during the pregame warmup. I strongly suspect that Predrag Radosavljevic and Leo Percovich will still be involved with the TFC first team 12 months from now. I wouldn't be so confident where Mike Toshack and Nick Dasovic are concerned. A new coach usually wants to bring in his own people. quote:Originally posted by Eric What!!!.....no more Brits in the coaching staff? OMG, we're gonna make the playoffs in 2010!!! all we need is a local trainer and we'll be ready to take on anybody.... Does the name Steve Nicol ring a bell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard It will be interesting to see whether it's Toshack or Percovich who works with Frei and Edwards during the pregame warmup. I strongly suspect that Predrag Radosavljevic and Leo Percovich will still be involved with the TFC first team 12 months from now. I wouldn't be so confident where Mike Toshack and Nick Dasovic are concerned. A new coach usually wants to bring in his own people. Does the name Steve Nicol ring a bell? I think Toshack will be fine, he has done a good job with the keepers, and did it under series of weak head coaches, with Preki on board the organisation of the back line and keeper will be better and Toshack will be of value with his background with younger keepers, which is going to be a talent Toronto will need .. when the sell on Frei and pick a new college grad in the free draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbailey62 Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard It will be interesting to see whether it's Toshack or Percovich who works with Frei and Edwards during the pregame warmup. I strongly suspect that Predrag Radosavljevic and Leo Percovich will still be involved with the TFC first team 12 months from now. I wouldn't be so confident where Mike Toshack and Nick Dasovic are concerned. A new coach usually wants to bring in his own people. As Percovich is first assistant, I think we'll see Toshack working with them. It's not like he's some inexperienced hack next to Percovich. They've both been in the role for years so I would imagine that there is a level of mutual respect. That doesn't mean he won't have input into Toshack's training plans but he is first assistant and will be involved otherwise prior to a match. Regarding the future, if Daso and Tosh (and the team) do well and Preki likes what they provide him (and the team), they'll stay. A year is a long time to make a good (or bad) impression .... unless of course both decide to move to Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 If you were Stefan Frei who would you most want to get advice from, Greg Sutton's former NCAA division III college coach or a former Libertadores Cup winner and Uruguayan national team keeper? No brainer, in my opinion. People can tie themselves in knots trying to toe what they perceive to be the party line and/or back the fellow Canadian but having a guy like this around in training sessions:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSIBijop83E will/would make for a very interesting workplace dynamic for somebody trying to fill a specialist goalkeeper coach role who has never actually played at the pro level, whose main claim to fame is tied into having coached a goalkeeper that TFC viewed as surplus to requirements last summer because of serious flaws in his game. Beyond that people maybe need to realize that the roles of coaches with different job titles are nothing like as neatly compartmentalized in soccer as they are in baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard If you were Stefan Frei who would you most want to get advice from, Greg Sutton's former NCAA division III college coach or a former Libertadores Cup winner and Uruguayan national team keeper? No brainer, in my opinion. People can tie themselves in knots trying to toe what they perceive to be the party line and/or back the fellow Canadian but having a guy like this around in training sessions:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSIBijop83E will/would make for a very interesting workplace dynamic for somebody trying to fill a specialist goalkeeper coach role who has never actually played at the pro level, whose main claim to fame is tied into having coached a goalkeeper that TFC viewed as surplus to requirements last summer because of serious flaws in his game. Beyond that people maybe need to realize that the roles of coaches with different job titles are nothing like as neatly compartmentalized in soccer as they are in baseball. Keepers want someone who trains them hard and correctly, and I assure you it does not matter much after that who is the person doing it. Keepers want to be worked, to feel they are sharp both physically and mentally, and they want to be supported by the team and be in line with the team philosophy. If the head coach requires them to play out more and support the backs, or to pass out short, then maybe they work on their footwork more. If the coach is set on defending by pushing the opponents attack out wide, they work on defending ensuing free kicks tooth and nail, they need to work on high balls. But apart from that I don't think a young keeper is going to care who is training him as long as he is being worked, because my understanding is that keepers want to be worked hard and systematically in training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Why would the assistant waste his time doubling as the goalkeeper coach? He may give the goalkeeper coach specific instructions, but it would be silly to see him on the field fully running the goalkeeper practices. Why does it seem like everything BBTB posts has to have an anti-Canadian slant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard If you were Stefan Frei who would you most want to get advice from, Greg Sutton's former NCAA division III college coach or a former Libertadores Cup winner and Uruguayan national team keeper? No brainer, in my opinion. Using this logic, Argentina should be far better under Maradona than they've ever been under any of their previous coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Eric all we need is a local trainer and we'll be ready to take on anybody.... I can think of a perfect local trainer to take over for Winsper (and who has experience with some of the current TFC players already). Eric, I'm sure you know him too (initials PP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 BBTB, I fully agree with your post, you're absolutely right. Jeffrey S., this is soccer, not hockey!!! KGs spend most of their time away from the ball during the game, . Of course they need hard training but what they need most is good technical and tactical information from an experience GK coach, somebody who played the game at a higher level than the trainee GK has and from somebody who has much more experience. I've seen Toshack working and yes he is very good and professional about his work, but Percovich can give advise to Frei (with reference to something that happen at the pro or international level) that he never heard before and that can save years of time in his career, advancing and becoming more experience faster than a GK who has to find out things on his own or through somebody who didn't play the game at the highest level. But I don't really thing that is necessary for Percovich to be directly involved at the every day training with the GKs, he is probably going to just keep an eye on the training and step in when he thinks that it would be appropriate. VPjr, are you talking about Paolo Pacione or Peter Pinizzotto? the first is one of the best I've seen working in Canada and I think he was with the Linxs at one time, but so was the second, but as the coach really, although I think he is a trainer too. Rudi don't jump the gun so early, you might be surprised about how good Argentina can get to be with Maradona at the WC, he can really influence the team at that stage and away from the Argentine media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 ^ So by your reasoning nobody who has not played at an professional or international level can ever be a competent, winning coach at the professional/international level. Using this argument nobody who hasn't worked on an automobile production line or as a car designer can ever be a successful CEO of an auto manufacturing company. This is an completely invalid argument and there are countless practical examples to prove it. Coaching demands far more and very different skills from playing. Many players who may have been outstanding on the field fail miserably as coaches, many successful managers/coaches had very modest careers as players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack Why does it seem like everything BBTB posts has to have an anti-Canadian slant? That maybe says more about your IQ level than it does about my posts. Coaches should be judged on their individual merits in an MLS context rather than on what passport(s) they hold. Beyond that it's amusing more than anything else that so many people on here appear convinced that Preki's goalkeeper coach at Chivas last season (an ex-goalkeeper for Uruguay and several very famous South American clubs) would arrive at TFC but won't be heavily involved with Stefan Frei and Brian Edwards during training sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Richard ^ So by your reasoning nobody who has not played at an professional or international level can ever be a competent, winning coach at the professional/international level. Using this argument nobody who hasn't worked on an automobile production line or as a car designer can ever be a successful CEO of an auto manufacturing company. This is an completely invalid argument and there are countless practical examples to prove it. Coaching demands far more and very different skills from playing. Many players who may have been outstanding on the field fail miserably as coaches, many successful managers/coaches had very modest careers as players. Nope, I never said that a person who didn't play the game at a high level can not coach. Of course they can, we have an endless lists of coaches who played semi-pro at most only and they went as far as to coach in a WC and even win it, i.e. Carlos Alberto Parreira and Arrigo Sacchi faced each other in the 94 WC and either one of them ever played pro but both of them grew up and lived in two of the most soccer culturally influenced countries in the world. That's where the difference is, these two coaches started coaching in their 20's instead of playing, since they were not good enough they chose to stick to the sport somehow and coaching gave them that opportunity. Now the difference I referred to is, between an athlete who gets advice from somebody who already played in the same position on the field at a high professional level, compare to the advise somebody who played at the same position but never played at a high level can give him, are two very different things. One will based his advise on theory (Toshack), the other one will base it in experience (Percovich). For people who never played the game at a higher level than recreational, there are many aspects to successful coaching then what meets the eye. The psychological input given to an athlete by the coach is far more influential than the input given by a CEO of an auto manufacturing company to an automobile production line worker, since the CEO will probably talk to him/her once a year but the coach will be talking to the athlete every day.......so, that was a bad example. I like this link about Percovich, with Romario shooting point blank and he makes the save: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 ^ Then we must agree to disagree, utterly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard That maybe says more about your IQ level than it does about my posts. Coaches should be judged on their individual merits in an MLS context rather than on what passport(s) they hold. Beyond that it's amusing more than anything else that so many people on here appear convinced that Preki's goalkeeper coach at Chivas last season (an ex-goalkeeper for Uruguay and several very famous South American clubs) would arrive at TFC but won't be heavily involved with Stefan Frei and Brian Edwards during training sessions. I'm not the idiot with an agenda like you are. With one singular reason for posting on forums for CANADIAN soccer fans. You're almost as bad as those retards from Bosnia who post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I am Canadian and you have no right whatsoever to imply otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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