tmcmurph Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 http://www.whitecapsfc.com/archive/feature11300901.aspx Our Icelandic coach is back for next season. That is good news. I think he is having a great influence on the development of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Impact Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Wonder if he'll get any consideration to guide Vancouver into MLS in 2011? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 I would think so, unless something goes horribly wrong this year. He has managed top clubs in Norway and has his international experience with Estonia. He's followed that up with two cup finals in Vancouver. Not too shabby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Lenarduzzi has stated publicly that Teitur Thordarson will be interviewed for the MLS team coaching job in due course. His coaching credentials are equal to or better than those of many MLS coaches through the years and with an MLS hardcore like Tom Soehn as TD to guide him through the MLS maze he should do very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownbear Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone I would think so, unless something goes horribly wrong this year. He has managed top clubs in Norway and has his international experience with Estonia. He's followed that up with two cup finals in Vancouver. Not too shabby. My sources indicate that TT is not happy at all with being given only a one-year extension. Nowhere else in the world, he claims, could a coach lead his team to the Championship in the first year, and essentially finish 2nd in the second year and only be offered a one-year extension. What he's forgetting is that the 'Caps actually finished 7th in his second season here. It's only the North American peculiarity of the playoff system that allows the 'Caps to lose in the championship final. My sense is that the Whitecaps management is not sold on TT as the MLS coach (so no multi-year extension), but doesn't want to hire anyone else right now to a one-year deal. Long story short: TT will not be the coach in 2011. Depending on what happens with Toronto FC this year, I'd think that Nick Dasovic is a prime candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Boy Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 quote:Originally posted by brownbear What he's forgetting is that the 'Caps actually finished 7th in his second season here. It's only the North American peculiarity of the playoff system that allows the 'Caps to lose in the championship final What he's also forgetting is that after 2010 the Whitecaps will essentially be a new team in a new league with most likely a bunch of new players and the requirements for that job are completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 I think he will be the one to coach the first season of MLS for the Caps. We'll see how things go in the NASL-2 and take it from there. He might not like the 1 year deal but right now all the players are on 1 year deals because the Caps are not allowed to sign players for MLS now. It is a transition period that everyone doesn't like some aspect of. I think he is a very good coach especially for the younger players. Finishing is 7th is not that bad given the turmoil in the team this year. He managed the team through it as best as anyone could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Tough at his end. It's hard not to interpret a 1 year deal as anything other than a less than glowing endorsement from his betters. In effect he's being damned by faint praise. BUT, the graduation to MLS makes a mess of a lot of the 'Caps short term plans and that has nothing to do with the WhiteCap brass and their feelings about their current coach. It's just the way it is. Still, it's a tough spot for TT. And down to The Duze to put to offer him some comforting, and as importantly realistic explanation for a 1 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 I know for a fact that TT is not everyone's cup of tea in Whitecaps land. a 1 year extension is most certainly not a ringing endorsement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plava Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 i think he needs to face the facts. the whitecaps don't want him coaching the MLS team and they are going to bring in a canadian coach with a profile. to be honest he deserves to coach the team. hes done very well in USL but i think we are looking at another similar story to when hart gets x after good gold cup and mitchell who had a terrible record at u-20 goes to the first team and well you know the rest of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnie Monster Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Whoa, hang on a second here. Let's toast this ridiculous gossip-mongering before it gets out of hand. TT took the job two years ago knowing full well that the club would be going through a whole new hiring process for the MLS squad. He himself was one of the very first to publicly comment on this fact. The one year contract extension is by no means a surprise to TT, nor anyone else who has a good handle on what is going on with the Caps FO. Brownbear: do you really think DASOVIC is going to be given a coaching nod over someone with TT's credentials? No offense to Big Nick, but this is completely contrary to the direction the club has been moving in. For years the 86ers / Caps hired from within the close family circle... and this put our coaches and assistants in the extremely awkward position of running a squad of their close friends and peers. VPjr: You're right. TT wasn't everyone's cup of tea... namely the old guard fellas like Kindel, Clarke, Valente, etc. But when push came to shove, and a full-out revolt was brewing in the locker room, the club backed **Teitur** and let him build his team. If that's not a ringing endorsement of your gaffer, I don't know what is. Playa: A Canadian coach with profile? Just who the F would that be? Yallop, Mitchell, or the Duze? As for Hart, 9 out of 10 casual soccer fans in this country couldn't tell you who he his or what he has done. Kerfoot & Co. aren't interested in "Canadian profile," they are interested in results. That's why they brought Barber over from Spurs to be CEO. Rest assured if TT doesn't get the MLS coaching job, it's going to go to someone with major credentials... someone much more accomplished than our sorry list of Canadian pretenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 This year will probably speak volumes. If he wins the league or comes in second it would be hard to not at least make him an assistant with a pay increase. If he comes in low he's reassigned or released. I like the guy and hope he pulls it off and I'm sure he's well aware of this. He's a veteran coach and knows the rules of engagement. If only that level of accountability was more widespread in Canadian soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Personally I could care less what the Caps acoomplish in the league as long as they continue to develop a base of good young players. Teitur took some kids who had never played professionally and turned them into solid pro players: Haber, Knight and arguably Burgess come to mind. If he could bring 3-4 kids along this year, I'd be very happy. I think it's really important to remember that a lot of well funded academies never really reach their potential because the manager doesn't rate the young players. Teitur doesn't seem to have this hang-up and this attitude/approach could be very beneficial to the long-term future of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalcity Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 TT has done enough with the Caps and deserves to go forward with them into MLS. Paul Barber on the other hand deserves to put his stamp on the club when he officially takes over his position in 2010. By the simple factor of rank - TT's future will be decided by someone else. That being said TT's achievements with the Caps speak for themselves. So does his record of getting the most out of his younger players and especially the residency players. If for some reason he doesn't become the Caps MLS coach it wouldn't surprise me if he went with the remainder of the team to Edmonton. Given his Whitecaps record, what has been highlighted already regarding the younger players, his knowledge of the Whitecaps FO, and his knowledge of the Caps residency players would this be a bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 I agree with those saying he should be given a chance. But this upcoming year is key, even though it is a new league and it could be hard to adjust to, I don't know. For me, if you want to prove you can handle a higher level, you have to manage your squad better than he did last year. You need to try to find a starting line-up, show you can coach consistent starters who are mostly veterans or experienced, and bring in the younger players gradually and without undue pressure. I am not sure he did that this past year, his first with the squad as he wanted it. I mean, he did just okay this last year. He has to do better as far as I am concerned, in all respects. He has to show us who he believes in and create competition on the squad around unsure positions (right now, basically the two centre backs, the mids except Nash and especially whoever is destined to hold, anyone playing wing). He has to work on possession, on defensive solidity (we scored but were scored on quite easily almost all year), on bringing the lines tighter together (Caps play too spread out and don't move forward and back as a team). If he can prove he has taken these sort of steps, by all means hire him for a year in MLS. If not, better find someone with a bit more quality as a coach and higher demands, as TT is technically limited and looks like a good coach for lower divisions where quality of play matters less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Be warry of the foreign coach with "credentials" with an assuption that will lead to something in MLS. The list of foreign deadweight is well established. Hell there are more names out there than most people care to list (Walter Zenga anyone?). TT has some exposure to north america soccer, that's a good leg up over most. I wasn't terribly sold on his performance in the past or convinced his brand of football is going to be effective in MLS. I think they'd be be better off going a different route. Hiring Dasovic right off the bat, would be a mistake however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandstander Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Well, the following more detailed article does mention that he will be assured consideration for the position. So we can call himcandidate number one. http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Thordarson+Whitecaps+agree+year+contract/2287274/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calgary Boomer Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 quote:Originally posted by brownbear My sources indicate that TT is not happy at all with being given only a one-year extension. Nowhere else in the world, he claims, could a coach lead his team to the Championship in the first year, and essentially finish 2nd in the second year and only be offered a one-year extension. What he's forgetting is that the 'Caps actually finished 7th in his second season here. It's only the North American peculiarity of the playoff system that allows the 'Caps to lose in the championship final. My sense is that the Whitecaps management is not sold on TT as the MLS coach (so no multi-year extension), but doesn't want to hire anyone else right now to a one-year deal. Long story short: TT will not be the coach in 2011. Depending on what happens with Toronto FC this year, I'd think that Nick Dasovic is a prime candidate. You're "sources" don't know what the hell they're talking about. Teitur fully understands why it's only 1 year, and he's PERFECTLY happy. And I will say it here again...Nick Dasovic will NEVER be the head coach of the Vancouver Whitecaps. He's a great guy, but he's not a head coach...not of the Whitecaps...or any MLS team for that matter. Frank Yallop would be someone who has the MLS credentials the Whitecaps want. Seattle set the standard for expansion teams...and they hired the Sigi away from a championship team. Who else has championship MLS credentials, who has ties to England and is from Vancouver? Yallop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 An NASL/USL manager will not simply walk into an MLS managerial role with the same club. There will be attempt to find the best possible manager for the job, and that person may or may not be our current NASL manager. If there was a proper promotion/relegation system in North America, and the Whitecaps were promoted to MLS primarily by merit of their on-field credentials, then Teitur would definitely carry on as gaffer. But since we have a silly system here in North America where clubs (or should I say, franchises) "buy" their ways into leagues, then MLS Whitecaps are basically an entirely new club. Another reason why North America needs a promotion/relegation system (which obviously won't happen any time soon), rather than a franchise system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Teitur's hiring was significant to me because it was the first time the Caps went outside of a fairly tight inner circle (ignoring that Pellerud probably recommended him) to make their pick. I hope the same process occurs for the MLS manager; ie. I'd rather not see Yallop here. Other than his less than stellar tenure for Canada, I really don't buy that we need an MLS experienced manager. Just because TFC hired English hacks, doesn't mean all non-MLS managers will struggle here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Teitur's hiring was significant to me because it was the first time the Caps went outside of a fairly tight inner circle (ignoring that Pellerud probably recommended him) to make their pick. I hope the same process occurs for the MLS manager; ie. I'd rather not see Yallop here. Other than his less than stellar tenure for Canada, I really don't buy that we need an MLS experienced manager. Just because TFC hired English hacks, doesn't mean all non-MLS managers will struggle here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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