Vic Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Points made. Truce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Bxl Boy MLS rumor last rumor, or joke... I cannot tell you who it is, but it comes from a very reliable source who has given me reliable info many times in the past. So here goes… The Montreal Impact is having second thoughts about the NASL (which, according to my source, explains why Saputo has been very quiet about the NASL in the past few days). The Impact currently are looking for a deal with MLS to join in 2011 instead of Portland, who still needs to resolve their stadium issue, which irritates Don Garber. Apparently, Montreal has secured public funds for the expansion of Saputo Stadium, but it hasn’t been announced yet because the Montreal Formula 1 GP saga is not over yet, and the government wants to deal with that first. If the MLS deal goes through for 2011, Montreal would not field a team in 2010 in either the USL or the NASL (which, again, according to my source, explains why they haven’t signed new players so far; the players under contract would be going on-loan to various teams for the season… doesn’t say if it’ll be NASL or USL though.). Doesn't really jive with the fact that the Impact have announced the NASL rebirth on their own official website, and also are offering a waiting list for 2010 tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 We'd beat New Zealand 7 times out of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trident Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by SthMelbRed ^okay, I'll amend my description to 'longest-standing, most-storied professional football club [...] ??? [8D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly Sounds like a guy I know from Edmonton who didn't go to games when his city had a professional soccer team and then spent the next several years bitching about and making excuses for why his city doesn't have a team and why he didn't go to games when they did. And now he is making the ridiculous assertion that another team is to blame for his the fact that people like him didn't go to games. Yes you are right, we do not understand your concept of activism which consists of doing nothing and bitching. Its called making a living. At least I don't go on welfare like you. Now, go back to your mail-order bride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveBeau Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Rudi Right. Taking leadership is blaming everyone but yourselves? Your pathetic ownership group and the fans that didn't come out are the ones who are to blame, not anyone else. Perhaps if more people in Edmonton "bent over" to support their team the way TFC fans do (and Whitecaps fans, and Impact fans), you'd have one less thing to blame everyone else for. Your wannabe Neo-Con Western Alienation schtick has grown incredibly tiresome. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by DoyleG Its called making a living. At least I don't go on welfare like you. Now, go back to your mail-order bride. Oh I am so hurt! Is it the blonde or brunette blow up doll for you tonight? Regardless of which we know the female in the bed will be the more intelligent of the partners tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly Oh I am so hurt! Is it the blonde or brunette blow up doll for you tonight? Regardless of which we know the female in the bed will be the more intelligent of the partners tonight! You're assuming the blow-up doll would be female. Or even human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Rudi You're assuming the blow-up doll would be female. Or even human. You know Rudi, it is not often that I admit you are right but here you are 100% correct! The plastic partner whatever it may be will be the more intelligent one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 In all seriousness, I find it hilarious that Doyle is preaching to the people most involved with the supporters groups for all three of the major teams in Canada. Any one of us has done far more for the advancement of the sport in this country over the past six months than he has over his lifetime, and he wants to preach to us? FFS at least we go to the games, let alone help shape the supporters culture at our respective stadiums, which is a huge contribution to the growth of the game itself. Can Doyle say the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morbital Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I'm conservative, I take offense to the political attacks purely based on DoyleG's location. More people in this country voted conservative last election than for any other party. labling someone who is clearly delousional a "neo-con" is wrong IMO DoyleG IS an idiot from Alberta, nuff said, lets not drag politics into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Rudi You're assuming the blow-up doll would be female. Or even human. I vote sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Well basted Thanksgiving turkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpenza Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Wow. In the middle of neo-con shticks, mail-order brides and inflatable animal partners, I guess it is safe to say that it is going to be a long off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonm Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Edmonton has high standards for sports teams. The order is simple Oilers control some of fall, all of winter and spring. The Eskimos control the summer and some of the fall. If soccer is to succeed it will be MLS (KATZ and his sports corporation will own it) TOA or USL (Edmonton Eskimos should run it). I never purchased a ticket for an Aviators game because of their business plan was completely a joke. 20,000 people per game average was well just stupid to tell the media. If Vancouver wants to bring a team to Edmonton they better play nice with the Eskimos. They can make your life hell. Just ask Rugby Canada, CSA, and the old ownership group. If you are going to succeed it will be with a PDL team and then work your way up with a solid fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by morbital I'm conservative, I take offense to the political attacks purely based on DoyleG's location. More people in this country voted conservative last election than for any other party. labling someone who is clearly delousional a "neo-con" is wrong IMO DoyleG IS an idiot from Alberta, nuff said, lets not drag politics into it The political attacks are NOT based purely on DoyleG's location. They are based on years of his persona as the message board equivalent of a political cartoon. He's been slamming "liberals" and "lefties from the Big Cities" for years here, mostly in unprovoked nonsensical attacks when someone dares to disagree with him (usually about something completely non-political, to boot). Turnabout is fair play. I personally have little interest in anyone's political leanings here, this is a soccer board so that's not what I come here to discuss. But I feel the way I responded to DoyleG is well justified. Seriously, are you new to this board? [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurosawa1555362267 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Mpenza Wow. In the middle of neo-con shticks, mail-order brides and inflatable animal partners, I guess it is safe to say that it is going to be a long off season. You could even say that it is already too long!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex D Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Bxl Boy MLS rumor last rumor, or joke... I cannot tell you who it is, but it comes from a very reliable source who has given me reliable info many times in the past. So here goes… The Montreal Impact is having second thoughts about the NASL (which, according to my source, explains why Saputo has been very quiet about the NASL in the past few days). The Impact currently are looking for a deal with MLS to join in 2011 instead of Portland, who still needs to resolve their stadium issue, which irritates Don Garber. Apparently, Montreal has secured public funds for the expansion of Saputo Stadium, but it hasn’t been announced yet because the Montreal Formula 1 GP saga is not over yet, and the government wants to deal with that first. If the MLS deal goes through for 2011, Montreal would not field a team in 2010 in either the USL or the NASL (which, again, according to my source, explains why they haven’t signed new players so far; the players under contract would be going on-loan to various teams for the season… doesn’t say if it’ll be NASL or USL though.). This has been worrying me throughout. The NASL has potential, but Joey seems to be sitting on the fence when he is supposed to be a leader for this group. Joey seems flakey to me, and I think he will decide whatever is best for himself and wouldn't hesitate to leave his comrades hanging in the breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morbital Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Rudi The political attacks are NOT based purely on DoyleG's location. They are based on years of his persona as the message board equivalent of a political cartoon. He's been slamming "liberals" and "lefties from the Big Cities" for years here, mostly in unprovoked nonsensical attacks when someone dares to disagree with him (usually about something completely non-political, to boot). Turnabout is fair play. I personally have little interest in anyone's political leanings here, this is a soccer board so that's not what I come here to discuss. But I feel the way I responded to DoyleG is well justified. Seriously, are you new to this board? [] well no, but I've stopped checking regularly ever since TFC came into exsistence, now all this forum has become is a pissing contest and its painful to read, 90% crap, 10% constructive disscussion, dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by morbital well no, but I've stopped checking regularly ever since TFC came into exsistence, now all this forum has become is a pissing contest and its painful to read, 90% crap, 10% constructive disscussion, dont you think? Yes I do, actually. Regardless, DoyleG has been this way since well before TFC came into existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by morbital well no, but I've stopped checking regularly ever since TFC came into exsistence, now all this forum has become is a pissing contest and its painful to read, 90% crap, 10% constructive disscussion, dont you think? Wow, this comment coming from Morbital is almost as ironic as the comments coming from DoyleG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandstander Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Vic Cliff Avenue? Still 50 years away. I would think most cities with senior leagues have a team that's been around longer than the Caps. But with a pro qualifier it's a gimme. And if Kerfoot had said he was going to build a stadium it probably would have not only been a gimme but built by now. But when you're talking office towers, retail, a hotel, etc that's not philanthropy - it's commercial real estate development. Two very different things as far as getting buy-in from politicians on rezoning land. All the power to him for looking for a suitable return on his investment and I'm sure it will all get negotiated one day when the board is comfortable it's a good deal for them and the future of the city. That's all that was meant by "providing the city with the goods" - something to make them vote yes. He bought the rail lands on advice from a mayor who would go on to not seek re-election. The resulting city council approved the Caps to continue seeking an application with the city. However because of the land purchased, the city wants to "get it right," and integrate the project with the transportation hub palnned at the downtown waterfront. Throw in NIMBY objections and you had a council that sought the high road by saying Yes to the Caps, but not allowing them to build right away. Throw in a Port Authority who showed up at the council meetings to back the Caps proposal, but now wants to hijack Kerfoot for more money, how is that his fault. Kerfoot is trying to build a stadium, he does want to build a stadium. However they now have a 5 year lease with BC Place that is non-negotibale. They will be there for five years. I see no point in tieing up money in a stadium now, when his main tenant wouldn't need it until 2016. Negotiations still continue with the Port Authority. Not much else to do until that is settled. As for the money for the women's team, what's the issue? He footed the bill, and in doing so moved the national training to the west coast. Two people didn't commit within the time limits and got cut. They made some noise. Too bad for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 ^Vic obviously subscribes to the fallatious school of thought that Kerfoot only wants to build the stadium as a smokescreen to get development rights for lucrative condo and office towers on the waterfront. The fact that he has never put forth any such plans does not deter some people from repeating as gospel. There has never been any reason why the city could not have approved the stadium development proposals that were in front of them and then rejected any other development proposals that came up after that if they didn't like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Definitely. Put me down for an economic realist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Sorry, you don't buy land for a stadium without approval and expect the city just to rubber stamp it. That is arrogant, and a lack of respect for public process. The public interest has no obligation to rubber stamp someone spending money on projects that are not approved. Are you going go buy land in Kits to build a casino, or a senior's garden, or a holding tank for sick whales, and then ask the casino, garden or whale pool to be approved? No, you are going to get approval first, or at least ensure the process is feasible and legal, then buy the land. By not respecting public process and understanding the legal context either you have to conclude that a) Kerfoot was an arrogant rich s.o.b. trying to use his de facto fat wallet to force a public decision, or he wanted to buy the land for other reasons and the stadium is secondary, or at least not that essential. I think it is clear that since he is making money with that waterfront land, he felt he should go ahead and buy it and the benefits would justify the purchase. But you don't then go storming about how the city or the fed or the ports are not letting you do want you want to do, because if you were worried about that you would have spoken to them a bit more clearly beforehand and have studied the legal and political ramifications better as well. He didn't, because he didn't really care. Because the business move came first, is still first, and the Whitecaps will go on with public money at BC Place, and he will save money on the stadium while making it by holding the port land (which I think is leased, rented or the like for rail shunting rights, or something like that). I think Gregor understands things this way, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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