john tv Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Today I witnessed the impossible,three world famous coaches to give a coaching seminar.The guy that I was so intrigued by was Ronald De Boer.Former Ajax,CL champion.Dutch Champion with AJAX,ETC,ETC OOPS ALSO THE RANGERS AND THAT CRUmmy TEAM BARCELONA.HE IS HERE ALL THE WAY FROM QUATAR TO PASS ON ALL HIS KNOWLEDGE HE LEARNED OVER ALL THESE YEARS PLAYING ON THE TOP AND WILLING WITH A VERY GREAT AMOUNT OF ENTHOUSIAM TO PASS IT ON TO THE CANADIAN COACHES.HOW THE OSA PULLED THAT ONE OF IS MIND BOGGLING,BUT THEY DID.Oops just noticed the fonts. So you coaches go there and listen and learn and admire that amazing experience at little charge if any. THANKS JIM CANAVAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 There's only one Dutch there and he's not even a coach, where is the OSA going Dutch there? Well I can accept your enthusiasm to see a countryman here.....but THANKS JIM CANAVAN? that I can not accept, is like saying thank you Mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Is De Boer there or not? Is he a coaching in Qatar or not? Canavan isn't doing a good job? ("serious" question! I know nothing of OSA - other than their provincial "all-stars" keep whipping the BC "all-stars.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Ronald de Boer played for Barcelona? Never noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S. Ronald de Boer played for Barcelona? Never noticed. Did you just start watching the sport in the last six years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted November 7, 2009 Author Share Posted November 7, 2009 The OSA website will have the complete and very impressive line up of all coaches and times. I did speak to Ronald and among other things he said that the best coach ever was Louis VanGaal and for a variety of very good reasons,he also said that Jonathan DeGuzman was a great talent. Enjoyed Toronto when he was here in 1994 and that's why he came back. He lives in Quatar and has his own TV soccer show. And yes he plyed for Barca... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Macksam Did you just start watching the sport in the last six years? Here's how long I have been watching Barcelona: first match at Camp Nou I saw Gary Lineker playing against Mágico Gónzalez. But Ronald de Boer, doesn't ring a bell. Did we win a league with him under Van Gaal or was it some other player? John will appreciate I have had my fair share of Dutch being a Barcelona fan, some I think could do a great job in Canada, others not so much. Some are made to be coaches (I bet Phillipe Cocu will be great international coach within 6-8 years), others I think are lost cases, like Ronald Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S. Here's how long I have been watching Barcelona: first match at Camp Nou I saw Gary Lineker playing against Mágico Gónzalez. But Ronald de Boer, doesn't ring a bell. Did we win a league with him under Van Gaal or was it some other player? John will appreciate I have had my fair share of Dutch being a Barcelona fan, some I think could do a great job in Canada, others not so much. Some are made to be coaches (I bet Phillipe Cocu will be great international coach within 6-8 years), others I think are lost cases, like Ronald Koeman. He played with the rest of the Dutch contingent in the late 90s/turn of the century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted November 7, 2009 Author Share Posted November 7, 2009 Checking the wicket lady,he is listed as having played for Baca 1998-2000. I must admit that his statement having a great time in Toronto was real music in my ears since I was asked by the CSA to look after the Dutch team in 1994.In fact they had the best time while they were here according to the final report by the Dutch officials. Welcome back Ronald,I know you had a good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 quote:Originally posted by bettermirror Is De Boer there or not? Is he a coaching in Qatar or not? He still playing in Qatar and he's not a coach, if you would have seen him do his session you would agree too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squid2 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Didn't see you there John. I made the rounds, saw your buddy Alfons and few other familiar faces. But then again, I wasn't looking for you. Don't think coaching is really your gig. More importantly the right idea with the wrong execution from OSA today at the OSA Centre. So much potential and opportunity lost. And of course zero CSA presence in spite of the high quality international coaching talent brought in. Given the frequency and numbers that the OSA send to the annual NSCAA convention every January, you'd think they'd learn a thing or two about a coaching showcase! Anyway, a very poorly attended event today when compared to recent years past. Not many coaches stuck around for deBoer's full session. But his session was pretty basic old school stuff. Little to be learned from it. Read the Charles Hughes manual and there it is. I thought Corazza's session had potential but the quality of players killed his session, plus the "lost in translation" transition. It appeared his was the best attended of today's sessions. Sulantay's session would have been a better presented as a lecture. Again the "lost in translation" transition had the Anglo coaches rolling their eyes. He certainly has some different ideas. But it was a decent session to watch. And at some point in time I'd love to see Farrell work with older and more talented players. Here's a link for what the OSA hosted today. http://www.ontariosoccer.net/Calendar/NewsEvents/2009-Coaching-Conference-Speakers-Introduced.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted November 8, 2009 Author Share Posted November 8, 2009 I was at one time on the OSA coaching development committee some million years ago.Have coached for 28 years and yes I was not there.Business reasons.I coached against Dwayne as well as coached and managed my indoor team with some very high profile names including Bruce Wilson. Would you have introduced yourself to me,a big fat no just like Joeeeeee,big effen creeps and hiding what for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 I don't know why this is viewed as impossible anything is possible with some money. Just about any coach will come for a nice jaunt, esp. when it is hot in UAE and that nice big Airbus flies direct to Toronto. The deboer brothers were ok at Barca but unspectacular. Nice of DeBoer to praise van Gaal, but given that he won his only trophies with him, this is not really surprising. Poor frank had that terrible day against Italy in Euro 2000 to deny the dutch a trip to the finals nice guys though, by all accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 quote:Originally posted by john tv Would you have introduced yourself to me,a big fat no just like Joeeeeee,big effen creeps and hiding what for. MOD EDIT: Uncalled for Joe. And yes, I realize so was JOHN's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Macksam He played with the rest of the Dutch contingent in the late 90s/turn of the century. Apparently one has to spell it out for you: S A R C A S M! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Ruud Poor frank had that terrible day against Italy in Euro 2000 to deny the dutch a trip to the finals Kluivert as well. Probably the most one-sided game in the history of the sport where the team that was dominating did not win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 At Barcelona we have seen a lot of the Dutch upper echelon over the past 15 years or so. It was too easy an option and too many just coasted. I feel that many Dutch stars came here as if it was their god-given right, gave hardly anything back to the team or the fans, took their inflated salaries, showed little if no respect to the club, and were gone. Like Overmaars, one of the biggest pricks in world football, huge transfer fee, disdain for everything around him, acted like an aristocrat. Others were just flotsam who should never have been signed, like Winston Bogarde, though at least he played and was funny to watch, a talented hack. A recent one was Van Bommell, who started ahead of Iniesta most of the Champions league year 2006, unthinkable. Worst passer I have ever seen at the club. God-awful player. The de Boers are in the middle, not bloodsuckers, fairly talented, not too committed, pretty blaise about most of what went on, winning or losing. Which is why I think Ronald was pretty forgettable, especially where he played, where any average Spaniard would have done better. Frank was a better player and gave more to the club on the field. Of the Dutch who we have seen here the truly committed ones, the ones who played with heart and committment: Cocu, one of the great footballers of the last 15 years, talented and intelligent on the field and a great gentleman; Ruud Hesp, charming fellow and a pretty good keeper; Van Bronckhorst, great committed player and always with the team first; Michael Reiziger, good guy, honest player. And that is about it. Not surprisingly, a lot of them NOT from the Ajax system. The rest I can do without, and Kluivert, well let's pardon his youth, all I can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Jeffrey You are excluding Koeman? Wow, I always thought he had a special place with Barca faithful. Seems like the ball always went through him in the day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Ruud Jeffrey You are excluding Koeman? Wow, I always thought he had a special place with Barca faithful. Seems like the ball always went through him in the day... Koeman was different because he was here before the big wave, he was the only Dutchman with Cruyff from what I recall, before Van Gaal abused the generosity of Barça fans, apart from Richard Witschge, who was an honest player, though nothing special. Koeman is respected here, he was a great player, very consistent, and of course his goal at Wembley makes him a Barça legend. But I don't think he is widely loved, because his own personality is a bit tough at times. Okay, that is my view, but I acquired it after he left, when he was here he was impeccable, the new Rudi Krol. But then you see that he is aloof, arrogant, and acts like a yuppie. I don't think he is too smart either. He has proved this as a coach (at Valencia he acted like a total idiot, and right now he is proving to be just mediocre training a club). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 The biggest it seems Dutch flop would be Frank Rijkaart,whom I know very well and for some strange reasons always addressed me as Mr.Vanderkolk.I tried to change that but he kept it up that way.It also seems that the magic Dutch coaching staff is under scrutiny and van Gaal in particular. Anyway I had my great fun over the years so a little scretch here or there,who cares and than my friend Johan coaching the Catelaans,is he making a satatement of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 quote:Originally posted by john tv The biggest it seems Dutch flop would be Frank Rijkaart,whom I know very well and for some strange reasons always addressed me as Mr.Vanderkolk.I tried to change that but he kept it up that way.It also seems that the magic Dutch coaching staff is under scrutiny and van Gaal in particular. Anyway I had my great fun over the years so a little scretch here or there,who cares and than my friend Johan coaching the Catelaans,is he making a satatement of some sort. Johan coaching the Catalans is a publicity coup, it gets the Catalan cause a lot of attention. That and being able to draw big rivals, like Argentina Dec 22nd. Probably some other match will come up in late May, as teams prepare for the World Cup. Just to say, to his credit, that he will not be paid, all hypothetical fees and the support of the Catalan football federation will go to his foundation which does great work helping disabled kids get involved in sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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