youllneverwalkalone Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Ok, he's 16, but he's in Europe already with the Caps, scoring goals against Spanish kids his age and older. Personally, I would do it. We wait too long to get our youngsters into the senior team in my opinion. He doesn't have to start or even play, but I would want to see how he trains with our best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone Ok, he's 16, but he's in Europe already with the Caps, scoring goals against Spanish kids his age and older. Personally, I would do it. We wait too long to get our youngsters into the senior team in my opinion. He doesn't have to start or even play, but I would want to see how he trains with our best. I'd wait a little bit more. No need to rush his development prematurely. What is he btw? A number 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted November 6, 2009 Author Share Posted November 6, 2009 An attacking mid. I think he can play in the middle or on the wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I'd like to see what he can do with the U20/23 team first before making the jump to the MNT. Let him excel against kids 3 years older than him first before trying to compete with grown men that are 10 years older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Macksam I'd wait a little bit more. No need to rush his development prematurely. What is he btw? A number 10? Ok but we are not talking about putting him in the starting lineup for an key worlds cup qualifying match. Those games are now 3-4 years away and there is plenty of time. I wouldn't call putting a 16 into a lineup for one or two games ( freindlies at that) and example of rushing their development. There isn't THAT much pressure in these kind of friendlies. I dont know much about the kid and his accomplishement to be honnest. Maybe they're not worthy of a callup or perhap not noteworthy when put into perspective. But if they are, then I say absolutely, you need to look at all options and turn all stones. And if you do that, then now is time time to do it. Not three years from now. What we cant do, is go into important games in 2012-13 with more or less the same cast of characters and hope to advance. Since 2000, we have gone into WCQ with subsequent teams made of players from previous editions plus or minus a few players. Its time to think out of the box and that means looking repatriating people, looking at foriegners who can gain domestic status... etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footscray Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I don't know anything about this player but the CSA needs to start including a couple of prospects in every non-crucial side and cap tie some youngsters. Big countries think strategically and make every effort to cap tie as many players as they can while Canada has too strong of a first team to attempt it - kinda laughable. At least he was included in the side but thinking how easily Begovic could have been cap tied is so frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 It's WAY too early to even consider Teibert for the full national side. Let's see where he is in a couple of years, and if his development is still progressing at the same rate (meaning he'll either be starring for the MLS 'Caps or somewhere in Europe) then I say give him a shot at the 2011 Gold Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massimo Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Senior National team...ummm remember what happend to the last guy that got capped at 17. Its too much pressure too soon for a kid. Give him time to mature and proe himself a little. Is he playing on the first team in his club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted November 6, 2009 Author Share Posted November 6, 2009 I'm not sure the issue is cap-tying him, because these matches are friendlies and I don't think he has other options. From everything I've heard about him, Teibert sounds like a potential wonderkid, and this type of player is integrated into the full national side of every serious football as soon as possible. Whether they are ready or not is secondary to a more important issue for Canada: We have to win the hearts and minds of young players. If this kid is playing at Bayern in two years, having no history with the MNT, he may not be willing to leave his paycheck for some match halfway round the world, definitely not a U-20 match. If he already has a few senior caps, a role, and familiarity with the national side, I think he's much more likely to make the national team a priority. You get out what you put in, and we all complain that young players like Hoilett aren't coming out for us, but the Association has been dreadful at including these young guys in the senior team. U-20s don't mean SFA to most European club managers and, frankly, they only mean anything to us cause it's the only level where we've had any consistent success. We need to reward elite players with the recognition a senior call-up brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Even Cesc Fabregas had to wait until he was 19 before he got the call to the Spanish full national side. I'd say Spain is a serious football nation, and Fabregas was definitely a wunderkind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted November 6, 2009 Author Share Posted November 6, 2009 ^His teammate Walcott was selected to the England WC squad two months after his 17th birthday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I certainly don't think it would hurt for the odd promising youngster to be part of the squad, lots of other top nations do that! My concern is bringing in a lad too soon and starting them (Jamie Peters) when they really haven't proven anything on the pitch! Le't hope their will be many Canadian "wonderkinds" in the future to debate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 A similar point was raised roughly eight or nine years ago in regards to Owen Hargreaves. I thought that it was bad idea because at that time we had just come off of winning Gold Cup and Hargreaves was playing for the bayern youth side. There was every reason for optimism going into WCQ given the GC result and that I thought that introducing an amateur player was too big a risk because you dont know if his background measures up to this level and you dont know what happens to team chemistry what with possibly breaking up a winning formulae. But times are different now. We were on a losing streaking going into WCQ and things didn't really change in WCQ. At the subsequent GC we showed some good flashes but ultimately lost to a Concacaf rival team who was mostly playing "B" players. We are at the " what have we got to lose point" are we not? If he is as promising as YNWA say's, then absolutely, he should be called. And i'll repeat another point: this is a friendly that we are playing in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Can. in UK Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 According to his profile on the Whitecaps site, he's eligible for Italy too. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Can. in UK According to his profile on the Whitecaps site, he's eligible for Italy too. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Well, then, he wouldn't accept the callup anyway, so why worry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Can. in UK According to his profile on the Whitecaps site, he's eligible for Italy too. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Well, then, he wouldn't accept the callup anyway, so why worry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Let's call up Gianni Patina, future superstar playing in the youth system of the best club in the world....it's time to think outside the box. But in all seriousness, why Teiburt? Why not a more deserving player from the U20 player pool? Edwini-Bonsu has been scoring loads of goals against youth sides for the past 2 years. Get him in the fold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 Let's call up Gianni Patina, future superstar playing in the youth system of the best club in the world....it's time to think outside the box. But in all seriousness, why Teiburt? Why not a more deserving player from the U20 player pool? Edwini-Bonsu has been scoring loads of goals against youth sides for the past 2 years. Get him in the fold. Well we dont know which amongst the two has the more promising future. Or there could be another kid out there who is even more promising. Point I am making is that I dont see the harm is looking at one or two of these kids or even that 18 year old player in the Montreal Impact system (Reda Aggouram) who scored goals in buckets in CSL this summer. The likely result is that they are not ready but so what? Its a friendly and this is the opportunity to find that out. Thats what friendlies are for. Thoughout the world, there are examples of a multitude of players capped in friendlies, that never end up seeing action in WCQ or WC. I dont think that Jaime Peters' career was adversely impacted by getting called up by Frank yallop. If anything, it gave a boost to his career. It turned out that his progress as a pro wasn't as we had hoped and there is no reason to believe that he warranted a callup for WCQ based on his play. But had Yallop called him up two years earlier in a freindly, he might have found out that out sooner. That doesn't mean that we should apply the same standard to every other kid come up through the ranks because Peters callup didn't work. Nor am I suggesting that Hart, should call eighteen twenty years old here. I know, as many of you are aware, that there no Lionel Messi amongst this group. But again, how do you know what you have unless you look at it. And again, we talking about a friendly here. I dont get this notion of "pressure". Players called up for national teams for soccer dont get paid and hence dont have contracts that they have to live up to and hence the pressure that comes with that. Nor are they likely to have millions of eyes scrutinzing their play... not for soccer in Canada anyways. And, in non WCQ years, NT players meet up to play something 2-3 times a year. Its not a eight month grind of day to day training and games of playing with and against adults whose livelihood is on the line with every game. PS ; who is Gianni Patina ? [8D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I would call Teal Bunbury before any others U-17 or U-20 MNT pool players who arent playing pro at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 quote:Originally posted by loyola I would call Teal Bunbury before any others U-17 or U-20 MNT pool players who arent playing pro at the moment. Is he a fwd? Or attack oriented player? because if he is, then that the exact kind boost that we need. Our currect situation in those areas of the game is where we will need to "turn over some stones" in order to resolve before the next cycle of WCQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I'd like to see the MNT call up Bonsu, Haber and Bunbury. We need new faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Free kick Is he a fwd? Or attack oriented player? because if he is, then that the exact kind boost that we need. Our currect situation in those areas of the game is where we will need to "turn over some stones" in order to resolve before the next cycle of WCQ. He's a forward. 15 goals, 3 assists in 17 games for the number 1 team in the NCAA div 1 this year with a 17-0-0 record so far. From what I understand, he's the same type of stiker his father was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 quote:Originally posted by loyola He's a forward. 15 goals, 3 assists in 17 games for the number 1 team in the NCAA div 1 this year with a 17-0-0 record so far. From what I understand, he's the same type of stiker his father was. Sounds like the perfect example to me. Plus it gives him the opportunity to impress pro clubs. And pro clubs get a chnace to assess his play against men and other professionals. Its not like we are overly blessed at the fwd position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Teibert...noway. Get him into u20 first. If we are going to call-up any u20 players they have to be proven at the u20 level (ie, Bonsu for Caps etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 quote:Originally posted by loyola I would call Teal Bunbury before any others U-17 or U-20 MNT pool players who arent playing pro at the moment. That's a great suggestion. When a 19 year old sophmore scores at nearly a goal per game pace in the NCAA, he's not long for the pro ranks. Likely end up going high in the MLS draft this winter unless he goes on trial in Europe (Maritimo anyone?). The reason i suggested Edwini-Bonsu over Teiburt is because REB has done the last 2 years what YNWA mentioned, which is scoring goals against boys his own age or older. REB is 2 years older and has proven himself already against elite youth competition, including CONCACAF U20 level. Gianna Patina, 11 year old (1998) from Vancouver playing in the Barcelona youth system. If the CSA holds a U15 camp in 2011 in prep. for the 2013 U17's then we see the kid for the first time in Cdn colours. But they can't wait too long, the longer he's out of the country the less the family might feel attached. http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=688663 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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