BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 From the official website:- http://www.mlsnet.com//news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20091027&content_id=7557648&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280 ..."We have decided to move forward without Chris for next season," said manager, director of soccer Mo Johnston. "We want to thank Chris for his contribution to the club over the last year and a half, and wish him all the best in the future. For us, the work now begins on finding a new coach, and getting him in here before pre-season starts February 1st." ... No other changes to the technical staff have been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I find the implication that a coaches job begins when training camp opens absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Can "we" also move forward without Mo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 A very famous Dutch/Canadian coach resigned in Holland today,one of the two prides of Turner Valley,Alta the other Mrs Harper the wife of our PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Very famous?? People take 'pride' in Loreen Harper?? Goodness that GTA perspective is different. What people in Turner Valley 'take pride in' is not living in Black Diamond. and vice-versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 So who are some legitimate candidates for the job? What route do you think they will go (European, MLS assistant coach, USL coach, NCAA coach)? The list of MLS Assistant coaches that can make the jump doesn't seem too impressive. Only the DC United assistants (Chad Ashton and Mark Simpson) jumped out at me. Colin Clarke from Puerto Rico might be a good candidate. Would Charleston's Mike Anhaeuser be a good choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 quote:Originally posted by john tv A very famous Dutch/Canadian coach resigned in Holland today,one of the two prides of Turner Valley,Alta the other Mrs Harper the wife of our PM. Dwight Lodeweges is famous? I noted previously that Australian club Melbourne managed to grab John van't Schip as their coach. I'm sure TFC will find someone who doesn't mind being Mo's puppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I hope TFC stay clear of Hart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tovan Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Holger Osieck? He doesn't take sh*t from players so you know he'd run a tight ship, he's got plenty of experience with CONCACAF b.s.,and I'm sure he knows a thing or two about putting a game plan together. Whether he's willing to jump into the gong show that is TFC/MLS is another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Guys this was headline news in Holland today and yes he coached PSV even beating Ajax big time.In Wiki he is listed as one of the two notables so Eddy go for it and change the records and just leave Dwight out.You maybe called a Commie. I did speak to Johnny and asked him to consider Canada which he did when he signed a contract with the KNVB becoming Frank Rijkhards assistant and other coaching jobs in Holland. I believe the pride of Turner Valley will just do great. Black Diamond won't do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Apparently Mo has indicated that the coach must have MLS experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Winnipeg Fury I hope TFC stay clear of Hart. maybe its vice versa.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 MLS over Dutch experience,yah right.Besides Dwight has NASL and MISL experiences.This guy is taylor made for us and in fact it is just about surreal,Cummings going and Dwight being available all on the same day. Don't listen to MO,no one mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca Apparently Mo has indicated that the coach must have MLS experience. So who would be on that list? Seems like the best MLS-experienced coaches still have jobs or are moving to new ones (ie. Paul Mariner). I don't know if narrowing the scope so much is the best tactic. Ideally you'd want someone with a history of winning and then maybe some MLS experience, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 quote:Originally posted by john tv MLS over Dutch experience,yah right.Besides Dwight has NASL and MISL experiences.This guy is taylor made for us and in fact it is just about surreal,Cummings going and Dwight being available all on the same day. Don't listen to MO,no one mistake. Even if this coach wanted to return to Canada, do you think Mo would ever hire someone 10x more qualified than himself? Not Possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Fourth coach in four seasons! Embarassing. It's worth noting that none of the first three coaches were fired... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 If you need help you go for a Dutch coach,the record speaks for itself. I have forwarded my suggestion to the powers to be. I remember him from the olden NASL days and the now EPL. What more do you want,Dutch coach with NA experiences,speaks Canadian,coached PSV and others,well known in Europe and he knows that world very well "hey our boy from Alberta,our own Black Diamond going shoulder to shoulder with Colleen Harper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portuguese Sensation Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Yet another coach is fired at Toronto FC... to steal an expression "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it still aint pretty". I'm starting to think that it's time to look at the real problem with the club and his name is Mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Cummins drops a nuke on the TFC dressing room: http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=296255 TORONTO -- Chris Cummins exited as coach of Toronto FC on Tuesday, painting a picture of an MLS team suffering from "backstabbing" and "poor characters." Cummings, appointed interim head coach in April, said he is leaving to return to the United Kingdom to be with his family. But director of soccer Mo Johnston said he only wanted Cummins to return as an assistant, adding the team needs to be run by a head coach with MLS experience. That search is underway. Combined with star midfielder Dwayne De Rosario saying some of his teammates lack heart, striker Chad Barrett talking about finger-pointing and rookie midfielder Sam Cronin preaching the need for a new mentality, the Reds have a major mess to clean up. "Yeah there is," Cummins told a packed news conference when asked if the team had some bad apples. "Listen every dressing room has poor characters. And maybe on that side of it I'd deal with certain people a different way. ... "What I didn't like was at times people putting the knife in, things like that, people backstabbing and talking about people. Listen, we're all in this together." <snip> Cummins said Saturday's performance "let ourselves down massively" and suggested the "occasion was too much" for some of his players. During some more introspective moments in his nearly 25 minutes with the media, he wondered if he should have been more proactive in dealing with the players he felt were troublemakers. "It's not always about technical and tactical abilities, it's about characters," he said. "You look at Houston, no disrespect to Houston, good solid team, all good characters that work and work and work. Sometimes you need that on your team and don't get me wrong, there are some great, great players on this team, Amado Guevara and people like that, who I have the utmost respect for, that give you everything week in, week out. "But unfortunately, if you let one or two in there that are not good characters, maybe I shouldn't have let them disrupt it as much as I did." <snip> Cummins left his players with a simple message. "I just said to them there, 'Listen lads, I do wish 95 per cent of you all the very best and I hope you go on and do well, and you know who you are. The other five per cent of you, I couldn't care if I don't see you again to be honest with you,"' he said. "There's a lot of good young players in there and they have to look at the experienced pros, the good pros, the Jimmie Brennans, the Carl Robinsons, the Dwayne De Rosarios and learn from them. If there are certain pros in there that they think aren't right, don't learn from that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 quote:Originally posted by El Hombre So who would be on that list? Seems like the best MLS-experienced coaches still have jobs or are moving to new ones Well we'll have to see who else gets fired after the season and the playoffs. There are some rumours that Preki is leaving Chivas USA, he might be a candidate if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 "There's a lot of good young players in there and they have to look at the experienced pros, the good pros, the Jimmie Brennans, the Carl Robinsons, the Dwayne De Rosarios and learn from them. If there are certain pros in there that they think aren't right, don't learn from that." This quote definitely seems to suggest that it a veteran (or veterans) was the problem. If it wasn't Brennan, Robinson, or De Ro, who else is left who you'd consider a more experienced player? Gerba and de Guzman? But they only arrived midseason or later. Guevara? Garcia? Serioux? All of the other regular players are young guys, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 "There's a lot of good young players in there and they have to look at the experienced pros, the good pros, the Jimmie Brennans, the Carl Robinsons, the Dwayne De Rosarios and learn from them. If there are certain pros in there that they think aren't right, don't learn from that." Well add in the earlier Guevara quote and it does seem that all of the team's leaders (not counting De Guzman who wasn't with the team long enough to establish a leadership role) are not bad apples in Cummins view, one has to wonder who is and who had enough of a say against all the leaders to cause much of a disturbance. Barrett's complaints of finger pointing aside (not sure if that suggests the finger was pointed at him or not), the only one that appears to have been definitively pin-pointed is Nick Garcia, who was mentioned as being a "bad apple" by Paul James in an article prior to Saturday and now by Gerry Dobson in this article: http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2009/10/27/dobson_tfc_cummins/ Garcia was a guy that I recall being ripped apart by some of those same Houston players that Cummins mentions, so perhaps we should have seen this coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jonovision Gerba and de Guzman? But they only arrived midseason or later. Guevara? Garcia? Serioux? Definitely Garcia from the sounds of it. De Ro's expressed surprise at having teammates this year who were 100% fully committed to winning would seem to suggest it wouldn't have been any of his Canadian national team members. Cummins earlier quote would seem to preclude Guevara, but then perhaps Cummins & De Ro don't see necessarily agree on who the "bad apples" are. Although this earlier comment from Paul James on Gerba might suggest him: "If he is not a negative influence within the squad then it may be worth keeping him around for a while – after all he is a Canadian. One should suspect though that this is not the case. Players with weaker mentalities or strength of character generally get consumed with self-preservation when adversity kicks in (i.e. limited playing time; poor performances) and as a result can be undermining in areas they should not! " but to me that sounds like mere speculation, probably influenced by his experience with Ali in 2001, rather than based on anything James has heard (unlike his comment on Garcia). Unless Ali has changed his personality completely since his Lynx days I'd be surprised if he was some vocal dressing room cancer, especially with so many Cdn. nats on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Incidentally, Paul James weighs in on Mo (this time in "print" rather in person at Gol TV): http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/james-on-soccer/is-mo-johnston-the-right-man-to-lead-tfc/article1339525/ The comments are somewhat interesting, though I hope whoever claimed that Gerba was cut from a 4th Division Scottish side was attempting some humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 ^^ A not very informative analysis of Mo that doesn't take much of a position. Disappointing. Two things struck me. Is this sentence not completely contradictory: quote:Quite rightly acquired Julian de Guzman – but the debate remains over whether it was the right move to bring him in as the Designated Player. I agree that TFC paid above his current market value but there was no way they were going to be able to sign him at anything close to a non-DP salary. The following though is classic Paul James. After telling us how surprised he was that Carl Robinson had issues with what he previously wrote and how he really is on his side (which for the most part was true), he writes: quote:I received a call from a prominent person who was also a friend of Carl’s. This person mentioned that Carl thought he would be moved out of TFC. He was prepared to talk to me, as a member of the media, about the internal goings-on within the club. I was given Carl’s number but I never called him as I felt it would not be within his interests to expose himself. Well if Carl was pissed off at him about the other mostly positive stuff he wrote about him one can imagine how pissed off he will be at the revelation (from a second hand source at that) that Carl was willing to be an internal rat about management. And to top it off PJ plays the hero by stating he didn't take advantage of this offer so as not to hurt Robinson's career. And then continues on to possibly sink any chance of him returning to TFC if management believes James on this. I guess James is thinking, "I just made a really controversial call to bring Robinson back but lets make sure they can't bring him back so noone can say I was wrong." Paul James seems to be entirely untrustworthy. Might go a long way to explaining why he was not a successful coach and was apparently not very popular with his players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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