Guest Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 hour ago, king1010 said: I am. De guz and ledgerwood looked fine in wcq so far. Honduras made it to the world cup with half a team from their national league which isnt all that great. So ya. Nvm starting one nasl player. Strong possibility we start 3. De jong started for us in wcq when he was riding the pine in mls and B1. But now if he plays in NASL you arent confident? Rather have a player playing than riding pine. More confident in their abilities with the former its not really a "strong" possibility we start the 3. Ledgerwood might not even make the 23 player cut. I am just disappointed that in the prime of his career he will be playing in the NASL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C. Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 As an aside, I really have to applaud the two NASL teams for drastically helping fill the void that has plagued our player pool in the past - by offering employment and regular playing time to those who fall through the cracks with MLS or in Europe (for whatever reason). Who'd a thunk three years ago that Julian, Marcel and Nik would be playing on these two teams, while still fully involved in the National Team during a qualifying year. If NASL is good enough for these three, there is no (or increasingly little) reason for U-23 players to fade out of professional soccer once they graduate from the U-20 program, as has happened too often in the past. It is awesome to see more/better pro opportunities being offered from these two clubs. Greatest Cockney Rip Off, baulderdash77 and Fussball_eh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, canta15 said: its not really a "strong" possibility we start the 3. Ledgerwood might not even make the 23 player cut. I am just disappointed that in the prime of his career he will be playing in the NASL. huh? it is a very strong possibility. ledgerwood is one of floros favourites. he's not only been in every camp when healthy but has also started or seen significant playing time don't understand how you can say ledgerwood doesn't make the 23 when he has been a started under floro Edited March 3, 2016 by king1010 jedinathan and baulderdash77 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedinathan Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 29 minutes ago, king1010 said: huh? it is a very strong possibility. ledgerwood is one of floros favourites. he's not only been in every camp when healthy but has also started or seen significant playing time don't understand how you can say ledgerwood doesn't make the 23 when he has been a started under floro This is just the typical "NASL isn't quality" opinion. Heard it for years. Got into it on twitter years ago with DeVos who out and out said no NASL player should play for the national team. Current "for sure" national players: - De guz - de Jong (only sticking around in NASL for a few months apparently) - Ledgerwood (only reason he missed any games was injury) Maybes: - Mallen Roberts Looooooooooooooong shots: - Tyson Farago - Allan Zebie Fussball_eh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 12 minutes ago, jedinathan said: This is just the typical "NASL isn't quality" opinion. Heard it for years. Got into it on twitter years ago with DeVos who out and out said no NASL player should play for the national team. I've never understood this argument, particularly when we tie a team made up of a bunch of players from the Salvadoran Primera Division. jedinathan, BuzzAndSting, longlugan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 12 hours ago, canta15 said: its not really a "strong" possibility we start the 3. Ledgerwood might not even make the 23 player cut. I am just disappointed that in the prime of his career he will be playing in the NASL. Ledgerwood won't make the 23 man roster? Guaranteed he's there. He's been a regular starter at right back when healthy for about 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 52 minutes ago, jedinathan said: This is just the typical "NASL isn't quality" opinion. Heard it for years. Got into it on twitter years ago with DeVos who out and out said no NASL player should play for the national team. Current "for sure" national players: - De guz - de Jong (only sticking around in NASL for a few months apparently) - Ledgerwood (only reason he missed any games was injury) Maybes: - Mallen Roberts Looooooooooooooong shots: - Tyson Farago - Allan Zebie Mauro Eustaquio would be on that list, close to a long shot. jedinathan and A_Gagne 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 40 minutes ago, El Hombre said: I've never understood this argument, particularly when we tie a team made up of a bunch of players from the Salvadoran Primera Division. Totally agree. In some cases playing time > level of league. king1010, longlugan, Greatest Cockney Rip Off and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedinathan Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Thanks. I just picked the FCEd players, as that's who I'm most familiar with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, king1010 said: huh? it is a very strong possibility. ledgerwood is one of floros favourites. he's not only been in every camp when healthy but has also started or seen significant playing time don't understand how you can say ledgerwood doesn't make the 23 when he has been a started under floro I think a number of players are better than him as a defending mid. So rb would be his only option. Besides i stated he wasn't a "forsure include". A forsure includes Hoilett, Borjan, Hutchinson, etc. The best players on our teams that forsure won't be excluded. Ledgerwood is a bench player (yes I expect Aird to start over him) and i would not be surprised if he was left out. Edited March 3, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coramoor Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 2 hours ago, canta15 said: I think a number of players are better than him as a defending mid. So rb would be his only option. Besides i stated he wasn't a "forsure include". A forsure includes Hoilett, Borjan, Hutchinson, etc. The best players on our teams that forsure won't be excluded. Ledgerwood is a bench player (yes I expect Aird to start over him) and i would not be surprised if he was left out. expecting Aird to start over a stalwart like Ledgerwood is insane. He's been a workhorse and until his injury was one of the most consistent players for Canada for over a year. Also Floro values defensive ability over offensive ability so there is no chance that he takes the gamble on an unproven offensive minded fullback. A_Gagne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, canta15 said: I think a number of players are better than him as a defending mid. So rb would be his only option. Besides i stated he wasn't a "forsure include". A forsure includes Hoilett, Borjan, Hutchinson, etc. The best players on our teams that forsure won't be excluded. Ledgerwood is a bench player (yes I expect Aird to start over him) and i would not be surprised if he was left out. ledgerwood would never play defensice mid. He will get called up to play right back. You said he wasnt a strong possibility to be called up. Which is incorrect. Not only is he a strong possibility to be called up, he is a strong possibility to start. Edited March 4, 2016 by king1010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 6 hours ago, canta15 said: I think a number of players are better than him as a defending mid. So rb would be his only option. Besides i stated he wasn't a "forsure include". A forsure includes Hoilett, Borjan, Hutchinson, etc. The best players on our teams that forsure won't be excluded. Ledgerwood is a bench player (yes I expect Aird to start over him) and i would not be surprised if he was left out. From our current MNT pool of about 50-60 players here is our top 5 in apps; 1. JDG at 86 2. Atiba at 71 3. Lars at 48 4. Tossaint at 47 5. Nik at 46 Then you have Simeon and Andre in the 40s, then it drops to the 30s. To say Nik is not a for sure in the 23 man roster or is not a starter with any kind of certainty is absurd. Especially in a home and home with the best team in our region, with of the most difficult away game conditions possible. You may not rate him but it's clear Floro, and Miller before him, and Hart before him, all do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 1 hour ago, king1010 said: ledgerwood would never play defensice mid. He will get called up to play right back. You said he wasnt a strong possibility to be called up. Which is incorrect. Not only is he a strong possibility to be called up, he is a strong possibility to start. Agree to disagree. It depends whether Aird actually starts for the whitecaps when the season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, canta15 said: Agree to disagree. It depends whether Aird actually starts for the whitecaps when the season starts. Agree to really disagree. No way Floro starts a 21 year old, recently converted winger, with 1 cap, over a national team stalwart, at home, against Mexico, in a WCQ match... just not going to happen. There are 3 VWFC matches in March before the Mexico game. I can't see Floro doing anything other than parking the bus against Mexico and Aird is way down the RB depth chart when it comes to the defensive side of the game. Even if Aird starts all three of those matches and lights it up, I just don't see it. Edited March 4, 2016 by A_Gagne jpg75 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 People, if you want to talk about who's playing right back against Mexico, there's a thread. Now, if you have something to say about Marcel de Jong, please continue to do that. Oranje 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 7 hours ago, A_Gagne said: Agree to really disagree. No way Floro starts a 21 year old, recently converted winger, with 1 cap, over a national team stalwart, at home, against Mexico, in a WCQ match... just not going to happen. There are 3 VWFC matches in March before the Mexico game. I can't see Floro doing anything other than parking the bus against Mexico and Aird is way down the RB depth chart when it comes to the defensive side of the game. Even if Aird starts all three of those matches and lights it up, I just don't see it. I don't see Aird starting over Ledgerwood or Ouimette, but anything could happen. Form during training is important, but the first step is for Fraser to get selected for the squad. Against Honduras, he was picked but Ouimette ultimately got the nod (and played well). There was no Nik, but this time things may be different. On the other hand, last round Adekugbe got selected over the more experienced Morgan. Froese got selected over several other options that have much more experience. If Arid gets the call over Ledgerwood or Ouimette, it wouldn't be the first time a young Whitecap got selected over an older player with more national team experience. Another thing, just because a RB is offensive-minded doesn't mean he is a poor defender. Has anyone actually watched enough of Arid at RB to confirm he is poor defensively? I have tuned into a few pre-season games and he hasn't exactly looked like a liability. He has much more pace than Ouimette and especially Ledgerwood. His defensive positioning appears to be adequate, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boominbooty Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 14 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said: From our current MNT pool of about 50-60 players here is our top 5 in apps; 1. JDG at 86 2. Atiba at 71 3. Lars at 48 4. Tossaint at 47 5. Nik at 46 Then you have Simeon and Andre in the 40s, then it drops to the 30s. To say Nik is not a for sure in the 23 man roster or is not a starter with any kind of certainty is absurd. Especially in a home and home with the best team in our region, with of the most difficult away game conditions possible. You may not rate him but it's clear Floro, and Miller before him, and Hart before him, all do. Do you know why guys like Ledgerwood and Ricketts were rated by the other coaches and have so many caps? Because we had no depth. We are finally getting players committing to the country and playing and starting in good leagues. So, let's use them. I would rather lose trying different guys than keep losing with the same guys we have before. Now is not the time to hang on to a player because he's a nice guy or always made himself available. Hell, I'm a nice guy and would play if called but I shouldn't be called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Boominbooty said: Do you know why guys like Ledgerwood and Ricketts were rated by the other coaches and have so many caps? Because we had no depth. We are finally getting players committing to the country and playing and starting in good leagues. So, let's use them. I would rather lose trying different guys than keep losing with the same guys we have before. Now is not the time to hang on to a player because he's a nice guy or always made himself available. Hell, I'm a nice guy and would play if called but I shouldn't be called. Soooooo... You'd rather start who at RB? Aird? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Boominbooty said: Do you know why guys like Ledgerwood and Ricketts were rated by the other coaches and have so many caps? Because we had no depth. We are finally getting players committing to the country and playing and starting in good leagues. So, let's use them. I would rather lose trying different guys than keep losing with the same guys we have before. Now is not the time to hang on to a player because he's a nice guy or always made himself available. Hell, I'm a nice guy and would play if called but I shouldn't be called. Ledgerwood would start because he is more solid defensively than aird and has more experience in pressure situations in Concacaf. Not because he is a nice guy. Edited March 4, 2016 by king1010 BuzzAndSting and Bison44 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fussball_eh Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 On 3/3/2016 at 0:13 PM, BuzzAndSting said: Totally agree. In some cases playing time > level of league. Prime example. Samuel Piette. BuzzAndSting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Boominbooty said: Do you know why guys like Ledgerwood and Ricketts were rated by the other coaches and have so many caps? Because we had no depth. We are finally getting players committing to the country and playing and starting in good leagues. So, let's use them. I would rather lose trying different guys than keep losing with the same guys we have before. Now is not the time to hang on to a player because he's a nice guy or always made himself available. Hell, I'm a nice guy and would play if called but I shouldn't be called. That's interesting, because I've grown fond of winning. Given the choice, I choose winning (or at least getting a draw). Friendly Canada 1–0 Guatemala [show]Fort Lauderdale, Florida, United States March 30 Friendly Puerto Rico 0–3 Canada [show]Bayamón, Puerto Rico June 11 2018 World Cup Q Dominica 0–2 Canada [show]Roseau, Dominica June 16 2018 World Cup Q Canada 4–0 Dominica [show]Toronto, Ontario, Canada July 8 2015 Gold Cup El Salvador 0–0 Canada [show]Carson, California, United States July 11 2015 Gold Cup Jamaica 1–0 Canada [show]Houston, Texas, United States July 14 2015 Gold Cup Canada 0–0 Costa Rica [show]Toronto, Ontario, Canada September 4 2018 World Cup Q Canada 3–0 Belize [show]Toronto, Ontario, Canada September 8 2018 World Cup Q Belize 1–1 Canada [show]Belmopan, Belize October 13 Friendly Canada 1–1 Ghana [show]Washington, DC, United States November 13 2018 World Cup Q Canada 1–0 Honduras [show]Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada November 17 2018 World Cup Q El Salvador 0–0 Canada [show]San Salvador, El Salvador Oranje, BuzzAndSting, rob.notenboom and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boominbooty Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 2 hours ago, El Hombre said: That's interesting, because I've grown fond of winning. Given the choice, I choose winning (or at least getting a draw). Friendly Canada 1–0 Guatemala [show]Fort Lauderdale, Florida, United States March 30 Friendly Puerto Rico 0–3 Canada [show]Bayamón, Puerto Rico June 11 2018 World Cup Q Dominica 0–2 Canada [show]Roseau, Dominica June 16 2018 World Cup Q Canada 4–0 Dominica [show]Toronto, Ontario, Canada July 8 2015 Gold Cup El Salvador 0–0 Canada [show]Carson, California, United States July 11 2015 Gold Cup Jamaica 1–0 Canada [show]Houston, Texas, United States July 14 2015 Gold Cup Canada 0–0 Costa Rica [show]Toronto, Ontario, Canada September 4 2018 World Cup Q Canada 3–0 Belize [show]Toronto, Ontario, Canada September 8 2018 World Cup Q Belize 1–1 Canada [show]Belmopan, Belize October 13 Friendly Canada 1–1 Ghana [show]Washington, DC, United States November 13 2018 World Cup Q Canada 1–0 Honduras [show]Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada November 17 2018 World Cup Q El Salvador 0–0 Canada [show]San Salvador, El Salvador Fair enough. I like the recent streak too but we cannot forgo the new, talented players who might give us a boost for the same players that people on these boards complain aren't at the level we need to be competitive in Gold Cups or qualify for the Hex. I like winning -- I hope we win. I'll be in Van to watch but I would feel more confident with Ledgerwood or Ricketts on the bench than starting on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Boominbooty said: Fair enough. I like the recent streak too but we cannot forgo the new, talented players who might give us a boost for the same players that people on these boards complain aren't at the level we need to be competitive in Gold Cups or qualify for the Hex. I like winning -- I hope we win. I'll be in Van to watch but I would feel more confident with Ledgerwood or Ricketts on the bench than starting on the field. If we had a better player than ledgerwood at RB then by all means keep him on the bench. But unlike Arfield who is head and shoulders above of Ricketts, we don't have a rightback that is head and shoulders above ledgerwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I'm just wondering people. Are you talking about Marcel de Jong at RB? I only see people talking about RB, so I'm guessing that it's true. de Jong will start at RB for Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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