gkhs Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Hey, I'm just trying to exploit the collective brain power here, rather than doing a media search on my own. Have the CSA ever stated the minimum attendance/revenue they require for a CMNT friendly to turn a profit (or break-even)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Not to my knowledge. I suspect that revenue is more of the key figure we would need (attendance is one thing, but it depends on how much those attendees are paying to attend). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Venue cost is another factor. The cost of renting Skydome or the Big Owe is larger compared to that of Swangard or Centre Claude Robillard, therefore requiring more revenue just to break even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kennett Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Hypothetically, if an international game at BMO attracted 20, 000 at an average price of $30.00, then that would generate $600,000 in revenue, not counting other sources. Which opponent would realistically generate this amount of interest and revenue? How much would it cost to attract such an opponent to a friendly in Canada? Would such a game be profitable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 ^ First nation that comes to my mind for such a match is Trinidad & Tobago. Relatively out of the Hex, this country can get enough local support at BMO for a sell-out. I don't think the USA would be interested, and the experience of Costa Rica wasn't exactly a sell-out. The big teams (Italy, Portugal, Spain, England, Germany, etc.) would get large crowds but I don't think they'd be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 remember the home team has to pay for away team costs....wonder why we play away so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Flying a team of 25 players/staff to Toronto or MTL will cost approx. 50 000-70 000 $ assuming you are flyng them first class from Europe. Then add 3-4 nights at the hotel and you have already a solid bill to pay. I'm wondering what are the cost for renting a venue with staff and all that stuff for a game? I'm not saying organizing a home friendly is too expensive but I could see the $$$ problems that goes with it. Specially since we never seem to be able to have a full house for those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 ^First class! HA! I spoke with a former Nat'l team player not all that long ago (ie, 2 years) and he said not only did they call him last minute to play, but he had to pay for his own flight! The rest of the guys flew coach! He turned down the invite. ......yes yes, I realize this was quite some time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 quote:Originally posted by redhat ^ First nation that comes to my mind for such a match is Trinidad & Tobago. Relatively out of the Hex, this country can get enough local support at BMO for a sell-out. I don't think the USA would be interested, and the experience of Costa Rica wasn't exactly a sell-out. The big teams (Italy, Portugal, Spain, England, Germany, etc.) would get large crowds but I don't think they'd be interested. For the right price anyone would be interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkhs Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 My curiousity had more to do with the question, what is the smallest venue that the CSA would consider for a hosting a MNT friendly (assuming Canada hosts a friendly again at some point)? I know that the Winnipeg Soccer Complex and Richardson have hosted qualifiers in the past, but how many friendlies have been played at venues of similar size? The essential question is would a USL-1 appropriate (6-13k) stadium ever be considered viable for a friendly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 quote:Originally posted by gkhs My curiousity had more to do with the question, what is the smallest venue that the CSA would consider for a hosting a MNT friendly (assuming Canada hosts a friendly again at some point)? I know that the Winnipeg Soccer Complex and Richardson have hosted qualifiers in the past, but how many friendlies have been played at venues of similar size? The essential question is would a USL-1 appropriate (6-13k) stadium ever be considered viable for a friendly? Well, they've played many times at Swangard which is around 5-6k (a Vancouver guy can correct me if I'm wrong). Winnipeg Soccer Complex capacity was around 7-10k at the time matches were played there, but that was with temporary stands left from the '99 Pan Am games (since removed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finchster Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 The CSA should just outsource the marketing and friendly planning to MLSE. They have the power and the money to attract big countries that can sell out BMO at a higher ticket price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 quote:Originally posted by finchster The CSA should just outsource the marketing and friendly planning to MLSE. They have the power and the money to attract big countries that can sell out BMO at a higher ticket price. And watch MLSE make a profit through high prices and charging for every little thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 quote:Originally posted by DoyleG And watch MLSE make a profit through high prices and charging for every little thing. If it means that the MNT starts to play games at home, i don't care who makes money on the games. It sure beats having the CSA lose money on those games and decide to not stage any... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finchster Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 quote:Originally posted by DoyleG And watch MLSE make a profit through high prices and charging for every little thing. You make it sound like making money off the MNT is a bad thing. The USA has a company Kentaro that markets and distributes USMNT games and it seems to work out well. MLSE is probably the biggest sporting company in the world, they know how to market and make a profit. Canada has this huge asset in MLSE this company is just getting into soccer. It has been a driving force for club soccer and raising interest in this country with Toronto FC, I am sure they could do the same for our MNT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 With all the buzz around TFC and their Canadian players, the installation of a good grass pitch and MLSE's marketing ability, I can see a friendly against a decent opponent working real well! Don't underestimate the value of JDG going to TFC, there are some real good Canadians there now and I think MLSE would know how to promote a match(MNT) and probably sell it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 "MLSE is probably the biggest sporting company in the world," I disagree, ever heard of New York Yankees $1.5B, the Dallas Cowboys $1.65B , The Washington Redskins $1.55B, the New England Patriots $1.36B, Manchester United $1.87B or Real Madrid $1.35B? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=aecbuhOVScnM There are some articles about them buying a EPL club that inflate MLSE worth up to $1.75B, but even if you over value the Leafs and Raptors both at $450m (and ignore that Forbes included the ACC in both values), say that TFC is as valuable as the LA Galaxy $100m, give the Marlies and Ricoh Coliseum a inflated value of $50m, and add up there other assets your still only around $1.2-1.3B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 As much as I wouldn't like Toronto to get exclusivity of the national team, its better than not playing. So really I can't oppose MLSE taking control of the marketing rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 ^ It's a good excuse for a road trip! FWIW, I don't think BMO should host all the games, but it was built as our National Stadium! Right now I'd just be happy with any match, anywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villus Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 if they can build a culture in Toronto and sell out MNT games, then so be it let them host 80% or so of games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by villus if they can build a culture in Toronto and sell out MNT games, then so be it let them host 80% or so of games ??????????? Anyway, Toronto is most capable city in Canada to host CMNT games. Last time I remember, CMNT actually had a rowdy home crowd against Jamaica at BMO field in Toronto. [:0] Also keep in mind that a lot of players would prefer to play in Toronto than any of other Canadian city (especially now that BMO field is close to getting grass) since most of them are from GTA. CSA should be begging MLSE to join them. Of course that will never happen due to idiots outside of GTA who hate to see Toronto based company taking over and hosting games in Canada's biggest city instead of their little towns which will be taking over by visiting supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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villus Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by TFC07 ??????????? Anyway, Toronto is most capable city in Canada to host CMNT games. Last time I remember, CMNT actually had a rowdy home crowd against Jamaica at BMO field in Toronto. [:0] Also keep in mind that a lot of players would prefer to play in Toronto than any of other Canadian city (especially now that BMO field is close to getting grass) since most of them are from GTA. CSA should be begging MLSE to join them. Of course that will never happen due to idiots outside of GTA who hate to see Toronto based company taking over and hosting games in Canada's biggest city instead of their little towns which will be taking over by visiting supporters. If they can get people in Toronto to show as much or close to the amount of excitement that they show for TFC for the MNT, a culture of National Team support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by piltdownman "MLSE is probably the biggest sporting company in the world," I disagree, ever heard of New York Yankees $1.5B, the Dallas Cowboys $1.65B , The Washington Redskins $1.55B, the New England Patriots $1.36B, Manchester United $1.87B or Real Madrid $1.35B? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=aecbuhOVScnM There are some articles about them buying a EPL club that inflate MLSE worth up to $1.75B, but even if you over value the Leafs and Raptors both at $450m (and ignore that Forbes included the ACC in both values), say that TFC is as valuable as the LA Galaxy $100m, give the Marlies and Ricoh Coliseum a inflated value of $50m, and add up there other assets your still only around $1.2-1.3B A big difference, however, is that MLSEL is a true "sports entertainment" company, whereas the others are basically close to single ownership situations. The Steinbrenner's only own the NYY (they used to have an interest in the New Jersey Nets, but sold it five years ago), NFL teams must be owned by individuals, rather than companies, Real Madrid has a "socios" ownership structure (shareholders, essentially). Malcolm Glazer does also owns the Tamp Bay Buccaneers, but it's hardly the same as what MLSEL is/is trying to do. So, in that way I think you can argue that it's somewhat unique. Whether that's a good thing depends on your perspective. However, the bottom line is that it's hard to argue that the CMNT wouldn't benefit from more professional promotion, nor that MLSEL has a history of successfully promoting its properties. And Doyle...please tell me why it would be wrong for MLSEL to make money off of the CMNT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by MediaGuy And Doyle...please tell me why it would be wrong for MLSEL to make money off of the CMNT? Because they're from Toronto, duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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