Gian-Luca Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 If the Ref was looking straight at the play he should have seen Martinez with a firm grip on Stalteri's jersey at the same time (and for longer) Stalteri had a hand on him. Watching the play in real time it is difficult to see how anyone in their right might could have thought it was a penalty unless they were looking for it to be one. I watched this game with the sound down at a party with 40 people. Not only did we not realize that a PK was given until we saw the yellow brandished (as we didn't think there was a foul), we didn't know until after the match when I went to check on the internet that the foul was given for an alleged arm tug as everyone assumed the Ref thought the ball hit Stalteri's hands. Even in the youtube link provided the spanish-language broadcasters sound completely surprised that a penalty was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca Quote of the year: "I was really disappointed with the officiating, with this particular game. If I had a chance to make a tackle on this ref, I wouldn't even think twice," said a disgusted midfielder Julian de Guzman. "It's pretty obvious that would be bad business for CONCACAF if Canada was to make it to the finals or semifinals. I mean we don't bring in the crowds that CONCACAF would like," he added. http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2009/07/18/canada_honduras/ A transcript of the Rob Faulds commentary on the Sportsnet video highlights in that link (put here for posterity since I don't know how long that video will be available): Don't know how long this video will be available so here's a transcript of Rob Faulds commentary on that Sportsnet highlight clip on that link: "Now 35th minute, this is where the game turns. Paul Stalteri called for - you make the call - a rather suspect foul in the box giving Honduras a penalty kick. You've got to be kidding, that call is a joke!!! Walter Martinez from the spot buries it, Honduras up 1-nil. (he then discusses McKenna header off the post before finishing by practically shouting in anger with the following line:) Honduras, thanks to the Ref, advances to the semis 1-nil!!!!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 I just looked at the play again on Youtube and i'm pretty sure the ref thought it was a handball. In the last replay you can see the ref running towards the play and as soon as the ball hits Stalteri (who has both arms in the air to avoid the whistle on the arm pulling) in the head that's when he puts the whistle to his mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Dear Mr. Aguilar: Kindly go crawl into a hole and die. Seriously though, I would like, JUST ONCE, to be on the other end of some bad CONCACAF officiating. I hate this so much! De Guzman's quotes were excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 I've put up some post-mortem thoughts up at www.cansoc.org for those interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 "I was really disappointed with the officiating, with this particular game. If I had a chance to make a tackle on this ref, I wouldn't even think twice. It's pretty obvious that would be bad business for CONCACAF if Canada was to make it to the finals or semifinals. I mean we don't bring in the crowds that CONCACAF would like." De Guzman Legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Think his hand starts to move towards his mouth before that, jpg75, although the way Stalteri throws his arms up certainly provides scope for a bad call when the ball hits his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 I just looked at the play again on Youtube and i'm pretty sure the ref thought it was a handball. In the last replay you can see the ref running towards the play and as soon as the ball hits Stalteri (who has both arms in the air to avoid the whistle on the arm pulling) in the head that's when he puts the whistle to his mouth. So what was the real call then? It appears to me that the ref blew the whistle, didn't really know what to call, and made up something that could appear that way. Did the ball touch his hand? Did the shirt tug impede the outrageous bicycle kick that was way off-target in the first place? And knowing how Martinez tried simulations early on, why should anyone including the ref assume he wouldn't try it again? The difference in the match was an officiating call that resulted in PK which was beyond Canada's control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 The fact that a dirty diving Honduran didn't think it was a penalty tells you all you need to know. That is, it wasn't a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 quote:Originally posted by redhat So what was the real call then? This contact as Martinez starts the bicycle kick move is what I think he reacts to:- Very soft call and not one I personally agree with but you can make the argument that Stalteri is making no real effort to go for the ball at that point and is trying to throw Martinez off balance so he can't get his shot on target. Potentially a bad rather than a corrupt call in other words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 I'm just trying to figure out what the hell the ref was thinking, certainly not defending the schmuck...if you look at the still pic that BBTB has a couple of posts above you can see the ball hitting Stalteri in the head and Aguilar hasn't put the whistle in his mouth yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Guys; yep it was a bad call......but what did our boys do to actually win the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 I'm just trying to figure out what the hell the ref was thinking, Probably thinking of the memo he received which went something along the lines of "We can get rid of the team that is more likely to beat the US next round and at the same time ensure that the team that sells more tickets goes on. Two for the price of one. What do you say? Deal!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Toronto Ruffrider This tournament, like just about everything else in CONCACRAP, is pure BS. We need to pull and Australia and bail on this confederation. I would love to join CONMEBOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFCRegina Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 It was a ****e call through and through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedved9 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Hell even the Americans were given a penelty shot in there game. I have seen the Americans play 8 games this year, and would you believe they have been awardes 4 penelty shots. Unbelieveable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawaguy2009 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 quote:Originally posted by SamSeaborn THESE FUKING REFS, THESE FUKING CORRUPTED REFS AND THIS GODDAMNED CORRUPTED LEAGUE MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT, SO AGONIZINGLY HARD, SO IMPOSSIBLE TO BE A FAN AND FOLLOWER AND SUPPORTER OF THE SPORT DID HONDURAS HAVE EVEN A SINGLE FOUL IN THE ENTIRE SECOND HALF? THE REF HAD THAT WHISTLE IN HIS MOUTH THE ABSOLUTE MILISECOND 5 MINUTES HAD PAST EVEN THOUGH WE PROLLY DESERVED 7+ HE COVERED HIS ASS, HE'S A DISGRACE HONDURAS IS A DISGRACE, THEIR FANS SHOULD BE ASHAMED, I HOPE THAT **** COUNTRY REMAINS AS UNSTABLE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY DONT DESERVE TO REMAIN FLYING AROUND NORTH AMERICA PLAYING SOCCER, ACTING LIKE HOT-SHOTS KISSING THEIR FLAG WHEN THEY GET A GIMME-GOAL WHY DOES THIS SHIET NEVER EVER EVER HAPPEN TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY EXCEPT CANADA, AND WHY DOES IT HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE YEAR THIS WAS THE BEST CHANCE IN A GNERATION FOR OUR MEN'S TEAM TO MOVE THIS SPORT FORWARD AND RAISE IT'S PROFILE IN CANADA THEY WERE PLAYING FOR THE FUTURE OF THE SPORT IN CANADA, AND A CORRUPTED SOUTH AMERICAN REFEREE WHO WANTED THE CAMERA ON HIM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WHO WANTED TO PLEASE THE FANS IN THE STANDS SETS THIS COUNTRY AND THE 30 MILLION PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN IT BACK ANOTHER TWO YEARS TWO YEARS WHEN WE WILL LIKELY JUST GET SCREWED AGAIN, WITH OUR PANTS ON, WITH A TITANIUM DILDO thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Five referees from CONCACAF are being considered for World Cup 2010. Three of those are: Benito Archundia, Jair Marrufo and Joel Aguilar. No, I am not joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 I don't have the patience to read the 9-page match thread, but this thread is waaaay off the mark. Do the majority of you actually believe Canada were screwed by the ref? Canada simply played like sh*t! Honduras had a clear penalty that was not called 3 minutes into the match. The call against Canada was harsh but certainly not as bad as the non-call right before that. And you have to question what Stalteri is doing grabbing the arm of the Honduras forward. I mean sheesh! If he scores a bicycle kick, so be it. Don't bail him out by grabbing him and then trying to block the shot like a volleyball player at the net. Canada were sh*t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Canada were sh*t! Well if we were, whudya call the team that didn't touch the ball in the second half. Troll on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Joe MacCarthy Well if we were, whudya call the team that didn't touch the ball in the second half. Honduras didn't do anything in the 2nd but Canada showed no punch in attack. The poor corners all evening long was also very frustrating. That's failing at basic sh*t! Besides we can't just ignore the fact Canada came out very flat for this match and pretend its all the ref's fault because of lots of second-half possession... [)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck in Boston Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Honduras didn't do anything in the 2nd but Canada showed no punch in attack. The poor corners all evening long was also very frustrating. That's failing at basic sh*t! Besides we can't just ignore the fact Canada came out very flat for this match and pretend its all the ref's fault because of lots of second-half possession... [)] Agreed. I was at the match and had a very good view of the play. In my opinion, in real time, it was a foul. I saw Stalteri pull him down. Sorry I did. As JamboAl and I said after the match, we just aren't that good. Service was poor and when it was there finishing was non existent. We must live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Honduras didn't do anything in the 2nd but Canada showed no punch in attack. The poor corners all evening long was also very frustrating. That's failing at basic sh*t! Besides we can't just ignore the fact Canada came out very flat for this match and pretend its all the ref's fault because of lots of second-half possession... [)] We were still better than Honduras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.D.I.D.A.S. Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 quote:Originally posted by amacpher I don't have the patience to read the 9-page match thread, but this thread is waaaay off the mark. Do the majority of you actually believe Canada were screwed by the ref? Canada simply played like sh*t! Honduras had a clear penalty that was not called 3 minutes into the match. The call against Canada was harsh but certainly not as bad as the non-call right before that. And you have to question what Stalteri is doing grabbing the arm of the Honduras forward. I mean sheesh! If he scores a bicycle kick, so be it. Don't bail him out by grabbing him and then trying to block the shot like a volleyball player at the net. Canada were sh*t! Who is this guy??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Canuck in Boston Agreed. I was at the match and had a very good view of the play. In my opinion, in real time, it was a foul. I saw Stalteri pull him down. Sorry I did. Even the Honduran player in question (who was also at the match) admitted that it wasn't a penalty. The person on the field who had the best view of the play would be Sutton. Watch Sutton's reaction to the play on the highlights. The shot goes wide, Sutton walks casually to the side of his net and calmly picks up his water bottle and starts to drink it, not even having the slightest suspicion that a penalty could possibly be called on the play. Then he stands stunned when he realizes that the Ref has actually called a Penalty. The same Ref who decided to invent a new rule in the 2nd half for stopping the play late in the game just to allow Honduras to waste more time, something he had absolutely no right to do. I agree that Canada wasn't at their absolute best although that was mainly in the first half. But they did play well and were much better than Honduras and much more deserving of advancing - just because the Ref decided not to bestow us with a gift PK is not an argument against that. We can criticize Canada for not putting away its chances and I've mentioned that in the main page blog, but that ignores the lack of a level playing field that we compete in, which is what this thread is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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