Cheeta Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jimmynow what's your source for the above information regarding the multiple complaints/numerous occasions. Do you work for either MLSE or the LCBO? just wondering Nope to both. Just speculating. I'm just assuming a billion dollar entity like MLSE, lawyered up to the tits as a rule, wouldn't idly allow a single incident by a third party to be cause for a penalty by a government agency to what will amount to a six digit figure. Nice sheep. I'm assuming a government agency employed by a government which draws huge revenues from the business of booze would also happily take a hit in the pocket because one time</u>, some guy gave his 17 year old brother one of his beers. And worse still, paints the agency into the corner of having to utilize this penalty again for further infractions. I expect the same punishment will have to be applied to Leaf games as well, I mean now that the precedent has been set. Nope. No idea of the facts. Just speculating. Gonna make one last piece of uninformed speculation. I'm going to guess this isn't the 1st rebuke the LCBO has made against this venue, just the latest, and has gradually escalated the penalties to this point because the previous penalties weren't driving home the point. You wouldn't know of any other penalties or restrictions the LCBO has placed on the venue over these past few years would you? Just asking 'cause I'm thousands of klicks away and have no idea. Could be wrong I guess. Maybe this really was a singularity and LCBO overreacted and went straight to nuclear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Impact Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 You have to love Toronto, "look an 18 year old is having a Beer, quick call the police". Not to mention you have to go to a "Beer Store" to get your Beer" God save the Queen indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Mr.Impact You have to love Toronto, "look an 18 year old is having a Beer, quick call the police". Not to mention you have to go to a "Beer Store" to get your Beer" God save the Queen indeed. Plenty of business have been fined in Quebec for selling alcohol or cigarettes to U-18 people. I also happen to know someone who lost his job (student job) for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 quote: Do you really think that is why the venue (BMO Field) is being penalized by the LCBO? I know that's why it's being punished in this case. The LCBO found an underage drinker in the stands last year with an undercover. They are quite strict with ID checks when they sell it (hell, I've been checked and I hardly look 18). They've also stopped selling it in the south end. MLSE does do a lot to ensure that the laws are being followed. They are even doing random ID checks in the stands this year. Ultimately MLSE should have been fined if the LCBO felt that it was consistently allowing the practice of beer passing to go on. It's the same impact to the pocketbook without punishing the rest of the fans that do enjoy a beer responsibly. That's what I mean about this being a nanny state decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by earlimus Ontario is THE LAMEST PLACE I'VE EVER BEEN TO ON EARTH to have, buy, or enjoy a drink. Have you been to Utah? Anyone who has knows that it is undoubtably much lamer than Ontario. Maybe I'm strange but I appreciate the variety of beers I can get at the local Beer Store and the LCBO and there are plenty of locations of each located near my home. Beer and liquor are certainly more convenient to source in Quebec or in the US (and cheaper) but the selection is often not as good as what I can get here in Ontario. personally, i prefer to drink a couple of beers before a soccer game at a local establishment. I almost never but a beer at a TFC match (they don't serve the beer I prefer, its too expensive and its never cold enough). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlimus Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 This crap is actually pissing me off. Beer isn't sold in the supporters section (resulting in yet-larger lineups in the other sections) because someone allowed their 17 year old son/brother to have some beer???? Swear to God I hate Ontario drinking laws sometimes. Is BMO supposed to have cameras checking who's drinking now? You already have to give a urine sample to buy a sud!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Pulling MLSE's liqour licence for one event would have a much more profound impact than simply fining them. I am with Cheeta on this in that I suspect this is the culmination of a series of liqour law contraventions by MLSE and warnings by the LCBO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Richard Pulling MLSE's liqour licence for one event would have a much more profound impact than simply fining them. We will agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by VPjr Have you been to Utah? Anyone who has knows that it is undoubtably much lamer than Ontario. Maybe I'm strange but I appreciate the variety of beers I can get at the local Beer Store and the LCBO and there are plenty of locations of each located near my home. Beer and liquor are certainly more convenient to source in Quebec or in the US (and cheaper) but the selection is often not as good as what I can get here in Ontario. personally, i prefer to drink a couple of beers before a soccer game at a local establishment. I almost never but a beer at a TFC match (they don't serve the beer I prefer, its too expensive and its never cold enough). Agreed. A non-LCBO approach would absolutely benefit drinkers of popular beer as it would be cheaper and easy to access, but selection would nosedive, especially in places that aren't large cities. Essentially, the LCBO is like having a specialty beer/liquor/wine store in every town, in multiple locations. I think that's pretty cool, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juby Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Tintin If you have to prove your identity at a bank, what do you do? It's wise to have current identification. Actually it's quite easy, anytime it involves me giving someone money (like getting a job(and paying taxes), using the bank, or I'm guessing, getting a new photo ID) my sin card alone has been more then enough, at the bank they ask you a skill testing question, like what is your DOB, where did you live last or something like that but god forbid I want to do something that only slightly profits the government, then I have to go out and give the gov't some sidefees, they'll take moneyy from anybody pretending to be me but if I wanna get drunk I damn well better have given the money so that I can really prove myself, and really be treated equally, It's honestly silly silly bull****, and I'll admit my side is petty but at the end of the day, you need probably 100 bucks ever few years to be considered an equal Canadian, people get way more on welfare, and they probably don't get enough to be wasting their time on a new health card (thankfully I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM AT THE HOSPITAL, lineups range from 20 minutes to an hour or 2 (only if I'm actually okay, alot of people freak out because they had to wait two hours because their stomach hurts, and they see people moving ahead and despite the fact they have no clue, judge that person as being healthier then them and bitch at the health care system), they can figure out it's me with a couple questions and my sin card). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Impact Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by loyola Plenty of business have been fined in Quebec for selling alcohol or cigarettes to U-18 people. I also happen to know someone who lost his job (student job) for that. Did they lose ther licence to sell Beer or Cigarettes, even for one day? Maybe they should be firing some of the vendors, or hire that guy who was fired by the Blue Jays[^] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Juby I'll fully admit it's super whiny to talk about constitution stuff for this but I think this quote shows I basically still agree. I live within the law, I'm 24, I shouldn't have to pay the government special side monies to get drunk, I'm all for security but I'm generally saying if ID's are mandatory for fulfilling your rights, then they have to be issued mandatorally (if you lose it pay but the when it expires, I shouldn't have to spend money I may not have just to be treated as an equal citizen), I pretty much feel like I'm fulfilling my part of the bargain but the idea of paying for my rights, no matter how little just pisses me off edit: I misspelled constitution [:I], I've literally taken classes with the word constitution in the title [:I] Your a facist or worse wanting government issued identity card, lets not go there ... instead get yourself a Passport and stop being a whiner. As to TFC and MLSE having suspension .. you have to hope they will respond with non alcoholic beer and a bargain basement cost .. or they could of course use Ontario non-acholic wine and let the crowd actually watch the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dare431 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 To begin with, beer at BMO is a complete rip off anyways and is a huge revenue source for them so tough hit. It seems a bit late that this ban is coming into place considering the offence happened well over a year ago. In any case, why not issue wristbands to those who "appear to be under the age of 19", or young looking ones in general. Wristbands in conjunction with stamps + ID at the vendors would be sufficient. There's really nothing they can do about handoffs in the crowds as a packed stadium would be very hard to monitor. However a stadium ban on (assuming an older person bought the beer for the minor) would be a great deterrent (for them anyways). Has anything like this ever happened at Saputo? I found last time I went (Sept) they were very lax and didn't card me the 3 or 4 times I went to buy beer. I guess that's Quebec though, they're a lot more chill on their drinking laws than they are in Ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tintin Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Juby Actually it's quite easy, anytime it involves me giving someone money (like getting a job(and paying taxes), using the bank, or I'm guessing, getting a new photo ID) my sin card alone has been more then enough, at the bank they ask you a skill testing question, like what is your DOB, where did you live last or something like that but god forbid I want to do something that only slightly profits the government, then I have to go out and give the gov't some sidefees, they'll take moneyy from anybody pretending to be me but if I wanna get drunk I damn well better have given the money so that I can really prove myself, and really be treated equally, It's honestly silly silly bull****, and I'll admit my side is petty but at the end of the day, you need probably 100 bucks ever few years to be considered an equal Canadian, people get way more on welfare, and they probably don't get enough to be wasting their time on a new health card (thankfully I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM AT THE HOSPITAL, lineups range from 20 minutes to an hour or 2 (only if I'm actually okay, alot of people freak out because they had to wait two hours because their stomach hurts, and they see people moving ahead and despite the fact they have no clue, judge that person as being healthier then them and bitch at the health care system), they can figure out it's me with a couple questions and my sin card). Good luck if you ever want to travel internationally. I don't know how you'd ever get a passport. I've never heard of anyone not having any ID before, but whatever works for you is fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juby Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I've never left the country, I don't plan on leaving in the near future, WHY WOULD I GET A PASSPORT, I don't drive, WHY DO I NEED MY LICENSE, my health card isn't going to expire, WHY WOULD I WASTE THEIR TIME let alone my money. And Trillium, seriously, do you know anything about politcal theory? you already need this ID, the government issues it for money, I'm saying it should be free, HOW IN SWEET HOLY HELL DOES THAT MAKE ME A FASCIST? first I get called faux anarchist, then a fascist, are you guys just trying to make your points seem better by terrible exxageration. You can't take minute details that people agree on and act like that makes them the same, I say this alot but that's just the silliest logic I ever heard. Nazi's were big on anthems, does that make everyone who is proud and loves the canadian anthem a nazi? hell noooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juby Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I've never left the country, I don't plan on leaving in the near future, WHY WOULD I GET A PASSPORT, I don't drive, WHY DO I NEED MY LICENSE, my health card isn't going to expire, WHY WOULD I WASTE THEIR TIME let alone my money. And Trillium, seriously, do you know anything about politcal theory? you already need this ID, the government issues it for money, I'm saying it should be free, HOW IN SWEET HOLY HELL DOES THAT MAKE ME A FASCIST? first I get called faux anarchist, then a fascist, are you guys just trying to make your points seem better by terrible exxageration. You can't take minute details that people agree on and act like that makes them the same, I say this alot but that's just the silliest logic I ever heard. Nazi's were big on anthems, does that make everyone who is proud and loves the canadian anthem a nazi? hell noooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Juby, I'm going to take a cue from our more eccentric posters and call you a bigot. [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juby Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 *eyes rolling (not at you rudi, just the situation)* I just don't get it, I'm making a decent (albeit petty) point and I'm getting called all sorts of political affiliations and their all so way off base, everyone knows I'm left wing but really, what the hell have I said that makes me look like an anarchist? anarchists would probably get pissed off at my opinions being labeled that way, and really, a fascist? It is pathetic as a constitutional challenge but it's still basically right and you can't derive any political affiliation from it, really, you can try and make mundane connections that would exist in everything but for all you know based on these posts I could be a conservative, a liberal, a socialist, a small c conservative etc., the idea that people will toss around loaded words like tic tacs is pretty offensive. edit: and by right, I mean if you are a citizen, you shouldn't have to pay money for any of your rights, no matter how little, the whole agreement when thinking of our responsibilities agrees with me because I don't have to earn or have money to keep my citizenship, if I didn't want to work, theirs nothing you can do to make me and I am still fully entitled to vote and access the government and if I wanted to be an idiot and waste any money I found on booze, as long as I'm of age I'm allowed to do it. sure that person would annoy you but their fully allowed to do it, if they couldn't then we might actually start to look like fascism, could you imagine enforced labour in the constitution(that's the only way to ensure we all have the money)? minimum amounts of money to vote(no matter how petty)? the government judging whether your life was acceptable or not (it's wrong to be a drunk but the government has no business judging you if your within the bloody law)? sorry, I'm just gonna try and shut up now sigh, final edit: I figured out the best way to word it, I have to pay the government to acknowledge my age, I'm 24, my lack of ID doesn't change that and I shouldn't be limited to the rights of a 17 year old if I don't have the money to payoff the government to (once again) acknowledge my age. If their are age requirments to society fine, but don't call monetary requirements age requirements, it's just a bad precedent really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 It's either pay as you go or higher taxes, we all pay for the governments we vote in. Without ID you can't buy beer but that's apparently your choice and you're free to make it. Resist the urge to buy a few grossly overpriced beers at BMO Field and you'll have saved the money to pay the government for an ID card that will save you a lot of heartache in the future. I know what choice I would make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtlfan Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Is it true that they were charging $12.00? A case of 24 cost $24.00 here in Quebec. Maybe the LBCO is pointing out that people that don't mind getting ripped off need to reflect upon the stupidity of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dare431 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 quote:Originally posted by mtlfan Is it true that they were charging $12.00? A case of 24 cost $24.00 here in Quebec. Maybe the LBCO is pointing out that people that don't mind getting ripped off need to reflect upon the stupidity of it all. Last time I went to BMO beers were $9 I believe. (For something that costs $2.15) at the LCBO. I believe that was for the 500Ml can. And last time I went to Quebec I bought a 24 of bud light for $20.84. Doesn't seem fair, does it? [V] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juby Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Richard It's either pay as you go or higher taxes, we all pay for the governments we vote in. Without ID you can't buy beer but that's apparently your choice and you're free to make it. Resist the urge to buy a few grossly overpriced beers at BMO Field and you'll have saved the money to pay the government for an ID card that will save you a lot of heartache in the future. I know what choice I would make. you completely misunderstood my point, pay as you go implies you need this much money (really only $50) when it should be a tax, pay as you go discriminates against people without money, this is citizenship and rights were talking about, not a god damned phone plan. edit: and god good, I CAN'T VOTE, I didn't, and couldn't vote anybody in unless I'd have preferred starving to death last election. edit: even if you don't care about something so petty, how can you argue that you should have to pay to have the same rights as everyother adult? It's just driving me crazy that people seem to think their citizenship and rights have to be procured financially, like think about it, the old "give me liberty or give me death", if the british yelled back at the american, "HOW ABOUT A REALLY SMALL FEE? every few years you give us 50 bucks and well certify that you deserve to be treated as an adult" are you saying you would have said "DEAL, I don't care about consistant morality, just my pocket book, and I'd actually prefer to have more rights then people who don't have money anyway" it's about precedent and consistancy, not about size and scale. do you realize what your saying here? saying 'pay as you go' for this situation is purely moronic. I am 24 years old, no lack of ID changes that, a lack of money doesn't disqualify me from voting, getting drunk or getting packages. CAN YOU NOT SEE THE CONTRIDICTION BETWEEN INALIENABLE RIGHTS AND PAY AS YOU GO? one is INALIENABLE, the other relies on how much money you have. I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS, it really looks like I'm explaining the fundementals of our society to people from the 1800, A LACK OF MONEY DOES NOT DISENFRANCHISE YOU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 If you have no money (really only $50 - your words not mine) you can't afford beer at $9 a time either so the whole issue is moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juby Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 read the whole thing, I already said I could afford it now, but shouldn't have to, and I shouldn't have to pay 59 dollars to have a beer, I'm 24, not 17, nor should I owe 50 bucks to vote, good god, THINK MAN I said god knows how many times this is a petty issue but it's right, and now your gonna try and prove me wrong by pointing out it's PETTY, THINK MAN, use your brain, and if I wanted to waste money I couldn't afford to, I can, it's supposed to be a free country, and I already said this but you don't seem to be reading with your brain edit: and Richard, that's you judging people, you can't tell poor people they can't drink, it's their right to waste their life, it would be fascism if you had to have so much money to be able to make choices with your life. AND ONCE AGAIN YOU IGNORE THE FACT THAT I CAN"T VOTE OR GET PACKAGES, you just decide to judge people who choose to drink like it's any of your business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juby Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I have to stop letting this bug me, I'm very sorry for ruining this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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