amacpher Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Just a heads-up that the Argentine Clausura ends this weekend and more interesting it could not be. First place Huracán plays away to second-place Velez Sarsfield, holding a one point lead in the table. I assume/hope FOX will give us a break from River Plate and Boca Juniors to show the match that actually matters. [}] The relegation battle is also intriguing. San Martín host Lanús needing 3 points and they also need Gimnasia La Plata to lose against already relegated Gimnasia Jujoy to avoid direct relegation. If Gimnasia LP draw they will be tied with San Martín, in which case I don't know what happens (maybe beachesl can clue me in?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Just a heads-up that the Argentine Clausura ends this weekend and more interesting it could not be. What about last year's three-way draw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share Posted June 23, 2009 Don't remind me. That was the stupidest way to determine a champion. San Lorenzo should have been awarded the title for having the best goal difference over the entire season (instead of just 2 matches) The beauty about this is that its #2 v #1 with no chance of the championship coming down to some silly, unfair tiebreaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklefan Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Don't remind me. That was the stupidest way to determine a champion. Those rules were put in place many years ago, I agree with you I don't like that way neither but at the same time it's a way to make money. More games = more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Just a heads-up that the Argentine Clausura ends this weekend and more interesting it could not be. First place Huracán plays away to second-place Velez Sarsfield, holding a one point lead in the table. I assume/hope FOX will give us a break from River Plate and Boca Juniors to show the match that actually matters. [}] The relegation battle is also intriguing. San Martín host Lanús needing 3 points and they also need Gimnasia La Plata to lose against already relegated Gimnasia Jujoy to avoid direct relegation. If Gimnasia LP draw they will be tied with San Martín, in which case I don't know what happens (maybe beachesl can clue me in?). LOL. Thinking you are beginning to understand Argentinean football (like much of trying to understand things in Argentina) is the first sign of insanity, something like a man who thinks he is beginning to understand women! Went to the Godoy Cruz - River match in Mendoza Sunday, GC the local club finally bagging salvation with a tense 1-0 win and avoiding having to fight Roasario in the last regular match of the season this coming weekend to see who finishes in the 4th last spot (and then having to face the 3rd spot for promotion in the second division in a 2-leg). The 3rd last spot faces the top 4 for promotion in a 2-leg match. The bottom 2 in the promotion table are automatically relegated. Belgrano, a club from the 2nd largest city Cordoba, will hopefully win promotion as part of the 2 leg playoffs, as they have been starved for First league action in that mad city for years. The promotion table is a complicated mess devised by the corrupt football powers and the top clubs to avoid relegation if one of the big clubs have a bad seaSon, based on a formula with graduated results over the past three years, with an enhanced value of wins and losses for the more recently promoted clubs. This means a loss or a win for Godoy Cruz ( a part of metro Mendoza ) means they were moving up and and down like a yo-yo on steroids. Averaging was instituted in 1983, two years after San Lorenzo de Almagro, a big club, were relegated in 1981. That year, River Plate, the Millionarios, finished 18th out of 19 teams and would have been relegated under the old system. Racing Club and Nueva Chicago were the first teams to be relegated on average. Boca Juniors was also struggling at that time and had a dismal 1984 season. So, the averaging system was instituted to minimize the chance of large clubs being relegated. As to what happens if there is a tie on the relegation table (based on wins, draws and losses), it goes to an EXTRA game at a neutral site to determine who gets to go to the 2 leg playoff. Curiouser and curiouser. As my football hating Argie girlfriend says...."What, it`s not over yet!!!!!". The CURRENT relegation table..... Relegation Table 06-07 07-08 08-09 TOTAL GP AVG 1 Boca Juniors 83 70 58 211 111 1.900 2 Estudiantes (La Plata) 81 69 51 201 111 1.810 3 San Lorenzo de Almagro 73 64 57 194 111 1.747 4 Lanús 59 56 71 186 111 1.675 5 River Plate 71 66 38 175 111 1.576 6 Tigre (Victoria) 0 56 59 115 73 1.575 7 Vélez Sarsfield 56 59 59 174 111 1.567 8 Huracán (Buenos Aires) 0 52 52 104 73 1.424 9 Arsenal 62 51 42 155 111 1.396 10 Independiente 57 59 38 154 111 1.387 11 Argentinos Juniors 46 61 37 144 111 1.297 12 Newell's Old Boys 35 56 52 143 111 1.288 13 Colón (Santa Fe) 46 45 51 142 111 1.279 14 Godoy Cruz (Godoy Cruz) 0 0 43 43 35 1.228 15 Banfield 39 54 42 135 111 1.216 16 Racing Club 49 40 43 132 111 1.189 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 17 Rosario Central 52 41 34 127 111 1.144 18 Gimnasia y Esgrima (La Plata) 40 36 49 125 111 1.126 ------------------------------------------------------------------- 19 San Martín (Tucumán) 0 0 37 37 35 1.057 20 Gimnasia y Esgrima (Jujuy) 43 35 35 113 111 1.018 Relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 FROM BBC website, Trouble blights Huracan's renaissance Tim Vickery | 06:25 AM, Monday, 29 June 2009 There's a famous South American film with a title that translates as 'God and the Devil in the Land of the Sun.' It's Brazilian, set in the country's arid northeast. But it is Argentina that has the sun in the middle of its flag, and the title could easily and appropriately apply to events in Buenos Aires. Good and evil are not hard to find in Argentine football, sometimes in the same place - such as the Huracan club at the moment. Founded just over a century ago, Huracan are one of the traditional big six of greater Buenos Aires. Though it's one of their rivals, Racing, which are known as 'the Academy,' Huracan are the Argentine club that can be more closely tied to the ethos of West Ham. Their importance comes less in the number of titles they have won, more in a tradition of well played football. Since the onset of the professional era in 1931, Huracan have accumulated a number of glorious second places, but only one league championship. Nevertheless, their 1973 triumph is hugely significant. The team went about their business with such style and swagger that they still stand as a reference of how the game should be played. For their rapid exchange of passes the attacking trio of Brindisi, Avellay and Babington were nicknamed 'Pele's brothers,' and to continue the Brazil comparison, Houseman on the wing was their Garrincha, a magnificently unpredictable talent. The architect of the team was coach Cesar Luis Menotti. Success with Huracan launched Menotti to the national team job in 1974. After decades in the wilderness, Menotti brought in a level of organisation and a philosophy of play - traditional Argentine passing football at increased pace - which carried the team to international football's top table, where they have been ever since. Huracan, meanwhile, have yo-yoed between the first and the second division - which makes a glance at the current league table very sweet reading indeed. With a game to go, Huracan are on top. The current team is coached by Angel Cappa, Menotti's close friend and former assistant. Cappa is a throwback to ideas which should never have gone out of fashion - he is the type of coach who is incapable of going home happy if his team have won but played badly. In a few short months he has moulded his men into an attractive, attacking side that are just a point away from winning the championship. As fate would have it, their last game of the season is against the only side who can deny them. Velez Sarsfield will take the title with a win. A draw is good enough for Huracan. Either the club will double their number of championships, or they will notch up another heroic second place. Either way Huracan's progress gives the supporters plenty to celebrate. And something to lament as well. The club's neighbourhood, Parque Patricios, was famous for being the area in which Buenos Aires' litter used to be incinerated. As the scenes at the club's last home game bear out, some of that trash seems to have ended up on the terraces. There were fights between Huracan supporters inside the stadium, in the streets around the ground and even outside a hospital. When it was all over, two were dead and several injured. The team had just beaten Arsenal 3-0, a result which put them in pole position in the title race. But what should have been a happy day was marred by the cancer that afflicts the game in Argentina. Professional football always walks a line between business and culture. In Argentina the balance is tilted firmly towards the latter. Rather than businesses, the clubs are owned by their members, perceived as important representatives and defenders of their neighbourhood. Idyllic in theory, this is open to abuse in practice. And a model that puts supporters at the heart of the club has been distorted into one that breeds supporters who live off the club. The violence between Huracan fans - present in many other clubs as well - has nothing to do with passion for football, and everything to do with lust for money. Rival groups do battle for control of revenue streams such as diverted ticket sales, parking, 'taxes' on street sellers around the ground, and so on. It is winter in Argentina at the moment, so any sun on show in Buenos Aires is of the pale variety. But the opposing forces, the gods of football and the devils of greed and violence, are both on show as Huracan go for a second title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Fracaso..the Spanish word for screw-up. The perfect word to describe the average match in Argentina. No tie in the relegation zone of the Promedio table, so just the 2 leg playoff. Both Primera clubs fighting the 3rd and 4th from Primera B kept their places. Gimnasia of La Plata drew 3-3 over two legs after winning three zip at the last leg at home in a poorly refereed out of control game with mega red cards. The rule, an extension of the favoritism to those already in the Primera, only need to tie over two legs to remain. The Clausura championship was decided last week in a very ugly but scintillating 1-0 win by Velez over Huracan. Huracan only needed a draw to win the Clausura. The goal, 6 minutes was controversial because the ball squirted out of the keeper`s hands after a collision by a Velez player, which allowed another Velez player to score. It was the classic example of a badly reffed Argentine match. The Huracan fans attacked the AFA offices after the match demanding the firing of the referee. The match was delayed by for half an hour in the first half by a rare Buenos Aires hail storm, and in the second half for 13 minutes by a protest by the Huracan bench and some obnoxious behaviour by a Velez player that went unpunished. Ugly. The season is at last over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share Posted July 13, 2009 Yeah, I saw the Velez-Huracan match. Huracan were screwed big time! Especally since they scored a more legit goal earlier that was waved off. I guess this thread title should be changed. [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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