Full-Time Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Greg Sutton has been released by Toronto FC in exchange for Nick Garcia and the discovery rights to Ali Gerba. http://fulltimefootballshow.blogspot.com/2009/06/greg-sutton-has-been-released.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Oh sh*t. If TFC has gerba playing in the montreal game they might actually score 4 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 This is huge, specially if they can sign Ali. I'm wondering where Sutton will end up....my guess is USL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Are MLS contracts guaranteed? Does TFC have to pay Sutton for releasing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I don't think so. I don't understand San Jose's reasoning: Garcia and the rights to Ali for a 3rd rounder? Seems lopsided. Hopefully TFC can sign Ali. Too bad for Sutton. I always liked him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 San Jose either has another signing in the works and needed to cut salary or have given up on the year and wanted to cut salary. Good deal for TFC either way though. If they can sign Gerba they might save their season with these two deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Have to wonder why San Jose is getting rid of Garcia, though I have heard that his on-field antics have certainly been pissing off opposition players to the extent that they were quoted as saying they "loved beating" San Jose. I hope that Mo is actually able to sign Gerba, as that will make this move a little more palatable from a Canuck perspective. I would rather they have released Marco Velez & Edwards than Sutton. I realize that Sutton was making more than Edwards but I'd rather have the better talent on the bench to be called upon. And it doesn't seem right that in order to make a move to get another defender because Velez is so crap that Sutton has to pay the price while Velez keeps his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT5 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 This is a good move for Toronto since they will be losing Wynne for a big part of the summer with the Confederations Cup. The move might also mean that they are expecting to lose Serious or Attakora for the Gold Cup. Either way, it helps on the defensive end. Gerba doesn't have a home in Europe, so maybe he might find a home in Toronto. It might be someone that can actually put the ball in the net for TFC. At this point, the Barrett/Vitti experiment isn't working. Sutton is now free to back-up Hirschfeld at the Gold Cup. Too bad he was released. He should be able to find a job in the USL, but he's also getting up there in age, so I don't know if another MLS team will want to take a chance on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Sutton will sign anywhere in MLS or USL that they need a keeper badly. If no spots are open I can see him not signing anywhere. I doubt he will get anywhere close to the $157 000 base salary he was making at TFC. He was overpaid for his ability level even if he was the starter let alone being the backup. Yet another example of a player Mo paid too much for even though he did have a decent year last year. What other team in North America would have paid Sutton that much? Mo seems to have very little concept of the domestic market price for players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly San Jose either has another signing in the works and needed to cut salary or have given up on the year and wanted to cut salary. Good deal for TFC either way though. If they can sign Gerba they might save their season with these two deals. Any chance Yallop wants to sign Sutton at a lower price? Doesn't look like Cannon is having the greatest year down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT5 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone Any chance Yallop wants to sign Sutton at a lower price? Doesn't look like Cannon is having the greatest year down there. I was wondering that myself. Not wanting him at the price he was at and the fact that Yallop knows abou thim from his days with the National team. Signing for a new MLS or USL team would make him unavailable for the Gold Cup too. He wouldn't leave right after signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by El Hombre I don't understand San Jose's reasoning: Garcia and the rights to Ali for a 3rd rounder? Seems lopsided. The TSN article made it sound like an undisclosed amount of money went to San Jose. I assume the MLS salary cap only pertains to salaries, and not to transfers. A bit rough for Sutton. I wonder if Vancouver would want to sign him, perhaps only temporarily, if they qualify for the CONCACAF Champions League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 San Jose signing Sutton at a reduced price of about half of what he was making and then using the difference to sign another defender (Garcia's base salary was $190 000) would make this deal make more sense. I can't see Vancouver signing him because I don't think Sutton is a better keeper than Nolly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly San Jose signing Sutton at a reduced price of about half of what he was making and then using the difference to sign another defender (Garcia's base salary was $190 000) would make this deal make more sense. I can't see Vancouver signing him because I don't think Sutton is a better keeper than Nolly. Specially with Sutton performance last week in Vancouver he didn't help his cause if he wanted to play with the Caps. Agree that a move in San Jose could make sense for him since Yallop knows him and Cannon isn't having a great year. I think SJ back up keeper is former Impact back up Andrew Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercanuck Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Utterly shocked. I hope Sutton can turn his game back around. I think history will say "he was never the same since that knock to the head". Another victim of the MLS roster rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveBeau Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Scottie Oh sh*t. If TFC has gerba playing in the montreal game they might actually score 4 goals. Gerba is only free to sign with Toronto when the summer transfer window opens on July 15th... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Ali G signs with TFC? Check out TFCTV since they have highlights of him on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 ^Gerba really strikes the ball well. I never seen a Canadian consistently finish with such purpose. Get on a diet Ali! We all have to cut down on our beer consumption eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurosawa1555362267 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by SteveBeau Gerba is only free to sign with Toronto when the summer transfer window opens on July 15th... Anyway Ali Gerba is currently hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livesareavailable Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Actually, July 1, no? It wouldn't be a transfer, so he'd be signable the first day during his home (English) transfer window after being released/out of contract? Like Dickov would have been, had he signed last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 He can sign today if he wants to. Ali is out of contract, so there are no restrictions. Window does not apply in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbailey62 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by ag futbol He can sign today if he wants to. Ali is out of contract, so there are no restrictions. Window does not apply in this case. Yes, exactly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca And it doesn't seem right that in order to make a move to get another defender because Velez is so crap that Sutton has to pay the price while Velez keeps his job. Releasing Sutton has been on the cards for months now as Edwards would have been traded prior to the start of the season if Sutton and Frei were seen as the keepers moving forward. Sutton was making too much money to sit on the bench simple as that so it was just a case of Frei proving himself sufficiently as the starter this season before he would be on his way. I suspect there's a good chance you will still get your wish on Velez. If Gerba is to be added another senior roster player will have to be moved out in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveBeau Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by dbailey62 Yes, exactly right. According to soccerbyives.net he must wait until the transfer window to sign with TFC... http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/06/san-jose-firesale-continues-as-garcia-shipped-to-toronto-fc-which-also-lands-rights-to-gerba.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 My understanding has always been that you have to be out of contract during the signing club's transfer window or prior to the end of your domestic one to be free of the transfer window restrictions. Can't be bothered googling it, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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