jpg75 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 The friendly opponent is finally announced: http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=281097 Toronto FC will play host to one of Argentina's most storied clubs when Club Atletico River Plate visits BMO Field for the annual Carlsberg Cup. The July 22 game marks Toronto's fifth international visitor, and its second Carlsberg Cup opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawaguy2009 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 ugh. no disrespect to Argentinian football but they couldn't find another club? How about a Brazilian club? how about a Turkish club? Galatasaray might make the trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tintin Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 To each his own. I would much rather see River Plate than a Brazilian team. Either way, I can't wait till Vancouver are in MLS and we can cheer against teams like River and Corinthians. I used to dream of just seeing teams like that play, but to actually have a team to support while cheering against them...I can't wait for two more years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownbear Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by ottawaguy2009 ugh. no disrespect to Argentinian football but they couldn't find another club? How about a Brazilian club? how about a Turkish club? Galatasaray might make the trip. <sarcasm>Yup, I agree. Argentinian club football is crap! <\sarcasm> River Plate has to be in the top four of club teams (in terms of overall prestige) in the Western Hemisphere, along with Boca Juniors, and a couple of Brazilian clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlimus Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 River Plate (great team by the way) will be playing on turf then? I find this a bit hard to believe. They don't have the money of the big ten in Europe, but they still can't afford to have a star injured due to BMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by ottawaguy2009 ugh. no disrespect to Argentinian football but they couldn't find another club? How about a Brazilian club? how about a Turkish club? Galatasaray might make the trip. do you even like football [?][?][?][?][?] How on earth does anyone complain about seeing one of the world's most famous clubs, especially if you're a TFC season ticket holder and it is at NO EXTRA COST to you. I hate meaningless friendlies in mid season but this is a very attractive fixture if you love beautiful football and don't want to be bent over by MLSE (like you will be bent over to go see Real Madrid). Even though River is struggling badly in the Primera, they're still River Plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 9, 2009 Author Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by VPjr Even though River is struggling badly in the Primera, they're still River Plate. They've bounced back from their bottom of the table finish in the Apertura, they're currently in 5th place in the Clausura. Not that i like River very much, i'm rather fond of Boca Jrs. (who are nursing a post-title hangover). I'm kind of bummed that DishNet is being scrambled, i haven't been able to watch the Argentine Primera on Fox Sports Espanol in months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 So what exactly is the significance of the Carlsburg Cup, aside from an international friendly at no extra cost to season ticket holders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Great, now Mo doesn't have to go to South America for a scouting trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Tuscan So what exactly is the significance of the Carlsburg Cup, aside from an international friendly at no extra cost to season ticket holders? The match is being sponsored by Carlsberg....and that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by ottawaguy2009 ugh. no disrespect to Argentinian football but they couldn't find another club? How about a Brazilian club? how about a Turkish club? Galatasaray might make the trip. My God man. You seem to have an outrageously inept opinion on so many different things. Might be smart to hold a post back now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 9, 2009 Author Share Posted June 9, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Manuel Great, now Mo doesn't have to go to South America for a scouting trip It's funny cuz it's true! /homer simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingham Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I feel sorry for TFC ticket holders...MLSE shafts the fans yet again with the Real Madrid ticketing/pitch fiasco..and by the way South American teams are great teams in name only..all the best players usually scarper off to Europe as soon as the money is on the table...and who can blame them?? I predict the TFC honeymoon period with the fans is nearing its end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Soccrman Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 RP are also in Edm on July 25th to play Everton at Commonwealth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Soccrman Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 RP are also in Edm on July 25th to play Everton at Commonwealth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I think they announced these games in the wrong order. If it had come out first that River Plate were the friendly opponent, everyone (sorry ottawaguy, almost everyone) would have been quite happy. Real Madrid would have been almost a bonus. Timing on announcing the games was all wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawaguy2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I guess for me it's the fact that they hosted Independiente last year. Argentinian football is not as "international" (brand-wise). (granted, few teams outside of Europe are). but generally the only supporters of argentinian football clubs are argentinians. corinithians, gremio or flamengo on the other hand not only have brazilian fans but fans from all over the world. yes river plate is well recognized. but out of all the other south american countries i would have preferred to see a club from a different country visit. (as we had Independiente last year) For example a brazilian, chilean or uruguyan club. (to see not only them, but how TFC stack up against them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Ivan I think they announced these games in the wrong order. If it had come out first that River Plate were the friendly opponent, everyone (sorry ottawaguy, almost everyone) would have been quite happy. Real Madrid would have been almost a bonus. Timing on announcing the games was all wrong. Nice point. Its all about optics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklefan Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by ottawaguy2009 I guess for me it's the fact that they hosted Independiente last year. Argentinian football is not as "international" (brand-wise). (granted, few teams outside of Europe are). but generally the only supporters of argentinian football clubs are argentinians. corinithians, gremio or flamengo on the other hand not only have brazilian fans but fans from all over the world. yes river plate is well recognized. but out of all the other south american countries i would have preferred to see a club from a different country visit. (as we had Independiente last year) For example a brazilian, chilean or uruguyan club. (to see not only them, but how TFC stack up against them). What? Chilean League and specially the Urguayan league we see now don't compare to the Brazilian and Argentinean League. Argentinean League's even better than Brazilian League because they look for the best players in Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay, there are even a few Colombians, while the Brazilian League is of course a very good league but it's made only for Brazilian (of course there foreign players but it's only a small portion of players). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdroze Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Ivan I think they announced these games in the wrong order. If it had come out first that River Plate were the friendly opponent, everyone (sorry ottawaguy, almost everyone) would have been quite happy. Real Madrid would have been almost a bonus. Timing on announcing the games was all wrong. Note that it was TFC's intention to do just that: announce the River Plate friendly first, then add the Real Madrid after that. Only because it came out in the press did they end up announcing RM first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by canucklefan What? Chilean League and specially the Urguayan league we see now don't compare to the Brazilian and Argentinean League. Argentinean League's even better than Brazilian League because they look for the best players in Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay, there are even a few Colombians, while the Brazilian League is of course a very good league but it's made only for Brazilian (of course there foreign players but it's only a small portion of players). As much as i like the Argentine league it just isn't as good as the Brasilian league. Results in head-to-head matches in Libertadores and Sudamericana play show that Brasilian clubs have an advantage over the Argentines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklefan Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 As much as i like the Argentine league it just isn't as good as the Brasilian league. Results in head-to-head matches in Libertadores and Sudamericana play show that Brasilian clubs have an advantage over the Argentines. I don't agree, (top) Argentinean clubs are better than (top) Brazilian because there are more clubs in Brazil (and more top clubs too) to compete between them than in Argentina. Take a look at the winners by country, I'll tell you, Argentinean clubs have won 21 times while Brazilian have won 13 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by canucklefan I don't agree, (top) Argentinean clubs are better than (top) Brazilian because there are more clubs in Brazil (and more top clubs too) to compete between them than in Argentina. Take a look at the winners by country, I'll tell you, Argentinean clubs have won 21 times while Brazilian have won 13 times. I would argue that the depth in the Campeonato Brasiliero is what makes it better than the Argentine Primera and not inferior. Remember, we're talking about the league and not the top teams "Argentinean League's even better than Brazilian League because..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 If you're going to compare top teams, I think more recent results would better indicate who is better today than going back all the way to 1961. The bulk of the 21 Libertadores championship for Argentina came back in the 60's, 70's and 80's. Even Uruguay was still dominatant back in the 60's and 70's (8 winners and alot of finalists). Brasil was very unorganized for many years (they still are some would say) and didn't even have a national championship until sometime in the 60's. Since 1992, of the last 17 finals, 14 have involved atleast one club from Brasil while only 8 have involved Argentine clubs. Out of those 17 finals, there have been 8 winners from Brasil and 6 from Argentina. There was a graphic on Fox Sports Espanol last year when i was watching a match between Toluca and someone else and it showed stats between Argie, Mexican and Brasilian clubs since 200? when Mexico was admitted to SA competition. Argentina and Mexico had a near identical head-to-head record, but the Brasilian clubs had a clear advantage over both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklefan Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 You're right about recent results that favours Brazilians clubs, I was taking a look to the current season and there are 4 Brazilian clubs still alive against 1 Argentinean club. However, my point was that because there are lesser clubs in the Argentinean League, there must be more depht in the Argentinean clubs. Now I take a look again and I want to say that Brazilian and Argentinean League are the same level, I understand that you think Brazilian's better than Argentinean but I still think Argentinean's a little more better, and if better isn't the right word I would say interesting because as I said before, there are some of top Paraguayan, Uruguayan Chilean and Colombian players too, players who are with their National football team, or at least played for them in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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