BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Eric o basically you're saying that the british 4-4-2 is with a diamond midfield not a flat midfield? I always read the brazilians were the first ones to implement the diamond midfield, but that's ok I get you're point about the 4-4-2. People sometimes have a tendency to overanalyze in books on tactics, in my opinion, given the nature of the sport is that players need to adapt constantly to the flow of the game. In reality positions in soccer are often not as neatly defined as they are in some of the North American team sports. Where the 1966 England team was concerned Nobby Stiles played a primarily defensive role, while Bobby Charlton more of an attacking role. Having what was euphemistically described as a ballwinner and a more highly skilled player in central mid tended to be the norm and that tended to result in a diamond. TFC played close to a 4-2-3-1 at the beginning of last season with Robinson and Edu playing in behind Ricketts, Guevara and Robert but John Carver preferred to call it a 4-4-1-1. The problem I see with that right now is that it can only be made to work well if Ricketts gets his act together and DeRosario is willing/able to play out wide. I personally hope that John Carver will have noticed that Barrett finally finished a chance clinically when the ball was headed down for him by Amado Guevara (of all people) who provided the target for a long ball in from Fuad Ibrahim (who had to cut inside onto his right foot to be able to do it). Even if you can only get 60 minutes out of Danny Dichio going with a target man up front would be my roll of the dice against Chivas with DeRosario out injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tintin Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 It looked to me as if Wynne's arm was only at a 90 degree angle for a split second as he attempted to move his arm out of the way. The angle from behind the goal line is the best to see this. As for Barrett's goal, a blind ostrich with a wooden leg could have buried that one. He's still a useless plonker in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Bear in mind what Andrea Lombardo did with a similar opening at the same stadium two seasons ago. Barrett will never be Wayne Rooney as somebody could clearly be heard telling him very loudly on the feed on Sunday but he isn't a complete waste of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouversoccerman Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Tintin As for Barrett's goal, a blind ostrich with a wooden leg could have buried that one. He's still a useless plonker in my opinion. But what would it cost to sign the ostrich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Vancouversoccerman But what would it cost to sign the ostrich? LOL that goal reming me of when you teach little kids to kick the ball into the net, you throw it with your hands, they let it bounce at least three times and when is going to bounce the fourth time ..... that's when they finally hit it [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Saw this jpeg on the RPB board. Think it sums up quite well what 4-2-3-1 would wind up looking like under John Carver right now:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdroze Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard Saw this jpeg on the RPB board. Think it sums up quite well what 4-2-3-1 would wind up looking like under John Carver right now:- Maybe it's just because I have a few pints in me right now, but that is sublime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calgary Boomer Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Ed If all the whiners are finished trying to justify that textbook hand ball in the box call, any comments on the absolutely mind-boggling substitution Carver made with 5 minutes left and his team behind by a goal? Maybe it's your textbook. But the many textbooks I've seen IE from bigger and better leagues than MLS, would see it differently. That referee couldn't WAIT to make that call. (And I'm not a TFC fan at all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Maybe Carver took the coaching course with Even Pellerud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 Carver fined for his outburst about the refs: http://www.thestar.com/Sports/Soccer/article/622414 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 Carver fined for his outburst about the refs: http://www.thestar.com/Sports/Soccer/article/622414 And the TFC fans want to pay his fine once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 quote:Originally posted by loyola And the TFC fans want to pay his fine once again. We do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Rudi We do? RPB forum. Haven't seen anything on your side Rudi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Rudi We do? RPB forum. Haven't seen anything on your side Rudi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Eric o basically you're saying that the british 4-4-2 is with a diamond midfield not a flat midfield? I always read the brazilians were the first ones to implement the diamond midfield, but that's ok I get you're point about the 4-4-2. Now going back to TFC, you suggest tactical changes and I agree with you. What I don't agree with you is that I don't think is necessary to get new players to make this team play better. I think that at least 50% of the players are being played in the wrong positions on the field and the system is wrong too IMO. I would play a 4-2-3-1, I would make sure to build a solid defense and then go forward from there. I think our weakest point is when we need to regain possession, simply because we have too many lazy players who don't think chasing back and regaining possession is their job. Obviously that's a disciplinary issue. But I would fix the situation by placing two centre halves in front of the back 4, one with more attacking tendencies the other with more defensive tendencies (I don't want to put names in these positions yet), with these set-up at the back we can afford some distractions by our front players when comes down to pressuring at front and regaining possession. The build up would be easier because we can send the full backs forward with out worrying about leaving holes on the flanks because we have two centre halves to cover spaces in the middle and the flanks. I would use Vitti as the target men, with Guevara (centre) De Rosario (left) and Ibrahim (right) all three behind the target man. By using this system, when one of our full backs goes forward, we would still defend with five and won't have to worry about not being prepare for a counter attack. I like Stefan Frei a lot but in the first goal, he should had come out to punch that ball instead of almost falling in the net. WOW!!! did Carver listen to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 You never know after the postgame rant in Dallas. He appeared to have a pretty good idea what the fans wanted him to do tactically. More depressing is the thought of would he have tried 4-2-3-1 if there had been no injury to DeRosario and will he still stick to it once he recovers. The bit of text you quote from me relates to what needs to be done if both Guevara and DeRosario are going to be used centrally again, for what it's worth. DeRosario in place of Barrett (or given it is John Carver probably Vitti) would probably be better as the three were too central at times and there is a need to attack the fullbacks more and get crosses over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tintin Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 quote:Originally posted by rdroze Maybe it's just because I have a few pints in me right now, but that is sublime. I have no pints in me and can't see a bloody thing. I'm looking forward to seeing "Barrett gone, TFC sign central striker Ostrich". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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