Full-Time Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 http://team1040.ca/news/story/?id=1826 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Was it a 4-4-2 like this: 1 Karina LeBlanc 17 Brittany Timko 2 Emily Zurrer 10 Martina Franko (23 Sasha Andrews, 46) 3 Melanie Booth 19 Kelly Parker 6 Kaylyn Kyle 8 Diana Matheson 5 Chelsea Stewart (16 Marie Eve Nault, 46) 12 Christine Sinclair 14 Melissa Tancredi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDNSoccerFan Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Did they ever say why Lang wasn't included? School commitments I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Yes that would be a 10-4 on the 4-4-2 according to the Guardian: England (4-4-1-1): Brown (Everton); A Scott (Boston Breakers), Asante (New York Sky Blue), Houghton (Leeds Carnegie), Stoney (Chelsea); Carney (Chicago Red Stars), J Scott (Everton; Chapman, Arsenal, 63), Williams (Everton), S Smith (Leeds Carnegie); K Smith (Boston Breakers); Sanderson (Chelsea; Aluko, St Louis Athletica, 71). Canada (4-4-2): LeBlanc; Timko, Zurrer, Franko (Andrews, h-t), Booth; Parker, Kyle (Walsh, 60), Matheson, Stewart (Nault, h-t); Sinclair, Tancredi (Vermeulen, 71). Never thought of Timko as Maldini. Not a bad idea, can join and fly the wing in a heartbeat. Going to need a carb diet if that's her new home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 quote:Originally posted by CDNSoccerFan Did they ever say why Lang wasn't included? School commitments I guess? I hope Morace can bring back Amanda Cicchini as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 A disapointing loss.. Canada should not be losing to England, the players who form the core of the team need to examine what there heart and level of effort is, to lose to England is embarassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccertaxi Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Trillium Canada should not be losing to England, the players who form the core of the team need to examine what there heart and level of effort is, to lose to England is embarassing. embarrassing????????????????????????????? Five months off, almost half the squad is new, new coach, new staff, new playing system, new tactics and set plays, win 3 out of 4 games in first tournament after less than two months together...nothing embarassing about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Ault Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Trillium A disapointing loss.. Canada should not be losing to England, the players who form the core of the team need to examine what there heart and level of effort is, to lose to England is embarassing. Trillium I think the tequila is still talking - new team, new coach, new tactics - losing was perhaps avoidable but certainly not embarassing given the circumstances. Let's see how they do against Japan before we start tossing Morace or the players (a number of new faces) to the wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 If Japan brings their A team and plays for the win, I don't fancy our chances and there's nothing wrong with that. Anyone who watched the youth tournaments in the Fall knows Japanese women's football is really in gear. We have just begin a 3 year WNT development cycle that is targeted to all come together in Germany in 2011. Sure, it would be great to do well at home, but it's basically: - a fantastic marketing opportunity - a chance to try and make some money - another good chance for Morace to try and figure out her players and formations Other than not getting blown out and embarrassed off the field, I'm really not too concerned how it goes. And I doubt the Japanese would cut our throat like that in a home friendly. It's not 2000 anymore. The English Women's Premier League provides a full-season professional training environment for 200+ women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjarne Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Vic, I am not sure what English Premier League you are talking about, but at this stage, as a prime example, Arsenal is still training twice or three times a week max, which is the norm for all the teams, and no where near a "professional training environment". There has been a real push for fitness, and a commitment for funding on that front by the FA in terms of the national team players having trainers during the week to work with which has helped their development on the physical front. Being in a football culture, I am guessing they are already far ahead from a tactical standpoint and technically benefit from again the coaching at the grassroots level being far superior to countries like ours. These I would say all point towards England's ascension in the rankings as opposed to having a great league. One only needs to look at the exodus of the top talent to the WPS and read the players assertions on the difference between what England is currently offering versus the US to know that England still has a long way to go in terms of a serious, professional league. That being said, Arsenal's win over Umea in the Champions League a couple of years ago, was that much more impressive, being that they were playing against a fully professional side, and also if there actually was a proper professional league there, it is scary to think how much better they could become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Hi bjarne, completely agree and disagree a bit. Yes it's not the Damallsvenskan or the Toppserien, J-League, Women's Bundesliga or WPS - it's non professional. But if you look at clubs like Arsenal, who hire their players and pay fees, it's pretty much by name only. And supplying the bulk of their national team, if they're only out 2-3 times a week it's because they're booked at one of the Centers of Excellence. Players at that calibre train almost every day. Arsenal has million dollar facilities, coaching resources and support from the men's side. They are the slick and well run by a genius in the women's game and are the prototype, the gauntlet, and the stick by which everyone measures themselves and their progress. This year it's Everton, who later this month they take their 13 wins and no losses into the 1-2 dream match against Arsenal's 15 wins and no losses. When Charlton folded their women's program and it's players a few years back, they saved a quarter million pounds. That's not the billionaire backed bankroll of Olympique Lyon, but how many women's programs in Canada put that kind of money into things? How many club teams in Canada could compete in the Women's Premier League? How many that use domestic players? The important thing is: a) they have a plan they have a league c) they improve it every year d) they have 200 players under observation playing regularly e) they have a youth system building under it Five things we don't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachRich Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 BIG DITTO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Bill Ault Trillium I think the tequila is still talking - new team, new coach, new tactics - losing was perhaps avoidable but certainly not embarassing given the circumstances. Let's see how they do against Japan before we start tossing Morace or the players (a number of new faces) to the wolves. Nah ..its not the tequilla..(might be the mescal though )... but really my comment was "the players who form the core need examine their heart and level of effort " I did not mention Morace or the new players, I am talking about the old crew, and I am sorry we should not lose to England, if we accept such losses we will continue to be relegated downward in tournaments and expectations, I for one dont think we should let that happen. As to five months off ? These are carded athletes, their job is to train for the monthly salary they get, the indviduals should be ready and they should have been playing on some type of team over the winter season be it a men's team or a women's club side etc. You dont finish the season and hang up the boots in the closet.. you train Stephen Hart as the head of the National program when the changeover happened should have been ensuring the players were monitored and not left to their own devices, Morace deserved to see players coming in who were fit and mentally prepared for her changes. This was a second class tournament it was not the Algrave Cup, where the big girls were playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Vic Hi bjarne, completely agree and disagree a bit. Yes it's not the Damallsvenskan or the Toppserien, J-League, Women's Bundesliga or WPS - it's non professional. But if you look at clubs like Arsenal, who hire their players and pay fees, it's pretty much by name only. And supplying the bulk of their national team, if they're only out 2-3 times a week it's because they're booked at one of the Centers of Excellence. Players at that calibre train almost every day. Arsenal has million dollar facilities, coaching resources and support from the men's side. They are the slick and well run by a genius in the women's game and are the prototype, the gauntlet, and the stick by which everyone measures themselves and their progress. This year it's Everton, who later this month they take their 13 wins and no losses into the 1-2 dream match against Arsenal's 15 wins and no losses. When Charlton folded their women's program and it's players a few years back, they saved a quarter million pounds. That's not the billionaire backed bankroll of Olympique Lyon, but how many women's programs in Canada put that kind of money into things? How many club teams in Canada could compete in the Women's Premier League? How many that use domestic players? The important thing is: a) they have a plan they have a league c) they improve it every year d) they have 200 players under observation playing regularly e) they have a youth system building under it Five things we don't have. I might concede a, b, c, and d saying we dont have those things the CSA and the provincials do fail to observe players as they should in my opinion, but we do have e, the youth system and if we took 20 Canadaian women not on the National team or in provincal program and had them play in the English premiere.. we could be competitive or more, quite simply they dont have the depth we do we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 ^ Might take a few games for our midfielders to get used to receiving passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachRich Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Vic's points are spot on but lets clarify some items - The 5 months off refers to the WNT not playing together as a NT. I'm sure most here will understand how that impacts a team. CSA has to take the blame on that one as the WNT asked about their ongoing program & were told nothing until Carolina was on board. Of course they were training as individuals. You just have to go down the WNT roster to see who's playing pro or university ball. Even though it's great the majority of the players have these opportunities now, it doesn't give them anything in Vic's points. Carded Athletes only get so much on AAP. It's not a livable amount so how do they live & train as international athlete? http://www.pch.gc.ca/pgm/sc/pgm/PAA_AAP_01-03-09-eng.pdf Although our WNT is at the top of the SC AAP list they don't get the sponsor dollars via their NSO like other Canadian sports. The US WNT players got $80K from their NSO last year plus much more. The Euro's don't get the big bucks like the USA but at least they have a environment like Vic pointed out. It's in a small geo footprint that is deep in quality programs that develops the players & their team. Both these NT's get looked after even if it is in different ways whereas our WNT is left to fend for themselves as the CSA has no plan. Carolina & the players are off to great start. They've even sat down w/ PM so the CSA is listening to the new era. As supporters we need to support the team & let them get down to business. The only question supporters should have is where is the CSA going to get the $ from to keep the pace that Carolina & the team want & need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 quote:we do have e, the youth system... they dont have the depth we do we Sorry Trillium, I was referring to a professional approach, and not an amateur one. There is a big difference between youth programs run out of places like Bayern and Everton compared to small amateur clubs in Canada. Agree about the depth but that is changing quickly too. The FA has a large number of women's programs in place. And not just players... coaches, referees, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 A well-written relevant article today in the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/england/5004947/England-manager-Hope-Powell-leads-England-on-with-great-expectations.html quote:"Changes are afoot to aid that ambition. Next year a revamped league will see games played in the summer, when clubs won't have to compete for attention and spectators with the men. Applications are being taken for an eight team Super League and the prospect of central contracts for the best 22 players has been agreed in principle, to allow them to concentrate even more fully on their sport." Love the close: quote:"When I was playing I had to buy my own kit. Things have changed," she says. "I played for England once and slept on a gym floor the night before an international – so I know how much the game has moved on." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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