red card Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 In last Saturday's Coaches Corner, Cherry likened Ovechkin's celebration to goofy soccer players celebrating after a goal - while telling us this isn't the Canadian way. A clip of soccer players celebrating is shown - including Edu taking off his shirt http://www.cbc.ca/sports/ondemand/ discussion starts around 3:15 National Post was quite hard on Cherry - though it was for his racist tones: But it was the way Cherry presented his case that left the usual sour taste. Besides the usual anti-European bile - which should perhaps be toned down after Cherry's attempt to build a junior team in Mississauga without Europeans back in 1999, resulting in a team that won 16 games in three seasons - Cherry showed a montage of soccer players celebrating, and as it showed a group of four enthusiastic black players dancing close to the camera, Cherry said, "Now watch this, look at this - this is what we want our hockey players to act like?" http://www.nationalpost.com/most-popular/story.html?id=1345967 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Cherry is a clueless old man locked in old ideals. He doesn't understand the value in goals in soccer are much higher than in hockey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 http://www.canadian-soccer.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18437&whichpage=3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I love to point out to sports types who hate soccer because of the dives that the Great Gretz himself admitted to it on Don Cherry's Grapevine. He said it was his way to create space for himself. Most hockey fans overlook that while complaining about it in soccer endlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The only interesting thing for me was that TFC featured so prominently in his clip given MLSE's involvement. The "be a Canadian" stuff takes on a whole new angle because of that and I wonder what the likes of Richard Peddie and Tom Anselmi made of that. Beyond that it's all one big jealousy and spite driven whine because he only ever got to play one game in the NHL. It clearly absolutely kills him to have to watch Russian, Swedish, Czech etc players succeeding at what he failed to achieve. He appeared to me to be strongly hinting in that clip that Ovechkin should be seriously injured by a Canadian kid although he is always intelligent enough not to be explicit about stuff like that. Real lowest common denominator stuff. Why the CBC keeps him on air at this point is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard The only interesting thing for me was that TFC featured so prominently in his clip given MLSE's involvement. The "be a Canadian" stuff takes on a whole new angle because of that and I wonder what the likes of Richard Peddie and Tom Anselmi made of that. Beyond that it's all one big jealousy and spite driven whine because he only ever got to play one game in the NHL. It clearly absolutely kills him to have to watch Russian, Swedish, Czech etc players succeeding at what he failed to achieve. He appeared to me to be strongly hinting in that clip that Ovechkin should be seriously injured by a Canadian kid although he is always intelligent enough not to be explicit about stuff like that. Real lowest common denominator stuff. Why the CBC keeps him on air at this point is beyond me. It's the fact that we're all talking about him, and will tune in next week to see what he says next. I don't hear anybody talking about what P.J. Stock or Kelly Hrudey had to say between periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 of course, grapes only sees what he wants to see. what about when soccer players, following a goal, always pick the ball out of the net and run for the quick restart if they still need another goal. (go to 1:55) Same thing here. Watch Forrest tell everyone who wants to celebrate to get out. http://video.yahoo.com/watch/4132228 (go to -1:20) No celebrating, no nothing. its these types of things that make our game great. How can cherry attack the character of soccer players? what a goof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 While Cherry ripped soccer in this segment, I remember him mentioning that he once went to the Glasgow derby and it was one of the greatest sporting experiences of his life. Obviously, Cheery is your stereotypical Canadian and hates on all the diving and stuff. But he said the Glasgow derby was a real mans game and if all soccer was like that, he would be a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 quote:Originally posted by red card In last Saturday's Coaches Corner, Cherry likened Ovechkin's celebration to goofy soccer players celebrating after a goal - while telling us this isn't the Canadian way. A clip of soccer players celebrating is shown - including Edu taking off his shirt http://www.cbc.ca/sports/ondemand/ discussion starts around 3:15 National Post was quite hard on Cherry - though it was for his racist tones: But it was the way Cherry presented his case that left the usual sour taste. Besides the usual anti-European bile - which should perhaps be toned down after Cherry's attempt to build a junior team in Mississauga without Europeans back in 1999, resulting in a team that won 16 games in three seasons - Cherry showed a montage of soccer players celebrating, and as it showed a group of four enthusiastic black players dancing close to the camera, Cherry said, "Now watch this, look at this - this is what we want our hockey players to act like?" http://www.nationalpost.com/most-popular/story.html?id=1345967 You are rather confused in your post. Cherry said the same things about Sidney Crosby and there wasn't a peep herd. Simply, he's not a fan of showboating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I'm not a big fan of showboating either. But that is just a small part of Arthur's Post article. He dissects Cherry with surgical precision and about as well as I've seen anyone. I'd love to read more of what he's written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I realize this may not be that pertinent to the discussion here, but I was talking to two of my teenaged, hockey playing nephews from Nova Scotia last summer and asked them who their favourite player was and they both said Ovechkin. I don't follow hockey like I used to but is Ovechkin that popular amongst school-aged Canadian hockey fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurosawa1555362267 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 He is also the favorite player of my 13 year old stepbrother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 He's a God amongst the dozen or so 11-13yr olds I know who play competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 ^Thanks to all for answering my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 When I was younger, we idolized Gretzky. Was it because of his bodychecks, his fighting, his badmouthing? No. It was his pure skill and the excitement it brought to the game. His 92 goal season is a sporting achievement I'll always be glad I was alive to see. Simply incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Well, if hockey talk is OK, then cheap self-promotion is too: http://canadiansoccerblog.ca/2009/03/01/don-cherry-dislikes-soccer-in-other-news-water-is-wet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Who cares what that racist asshole thinks about soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 "Don Cherry?" Ovechkin said. "What I can say? He's a funny guy, old guy. He likes old-fashioned hockey, so he don't like probably my celebrations. He said a lot of stuff about [Atlanta all-star Ilya] Kovalchuk and me, so he ...I don't know. I don't want to talk about him. He's not interesting to me. He can say whatever he want. I don't care about him." When I asked Ovechkin if he was angry about Cherry's comments, he added: "I just laughed when I saw his suits. He's funny. In hockey we need someone like that, someone who thinks I'm celebrating like soccer player. Maybe Canadians don't have soccer teams. Maybe he's jealous of Russia." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jonovision It's the fact that we're all talking about him, and will tune in next week to see what he says next. I don't hear anybody talking about what P.J. Stock or Kelly Hrudey had to say between periods. The fact that people are talking about him and listenning to his antics doesn't make it right to make comments like he did. If Adolf Hitler was doing that segment on Hockey Night in Canada, people would be watching and talking about his analysis as well. Cherry is disgusting, saying he was buddy with Don Sanderson father to make his point about fighting showed how low he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soro17 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Stephen Brunt gives his usual well thought-out take here: http://sports.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090303.wsptbrunt4/GSStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home Isn't there mandatory retirement at 65 at the CBC? It is time for Cherry to go. His act is tired and uninteresting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I help out on an 11-12 year old baseball team, and when I asked them who their favourite player was, they all said Ovechkin. Cherry, as usual, is out of the loop, but that's half his shtick these days anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Soro17 Stephen Brunt gives his usual well thought-out take here: http://sports.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090303.wsptbrunt4/GSStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home Isn't there mandatory retirement at 65 at the CBC? It is time for Cherry to go. His act is tired and uninteresting. It's the highest ratings CBC gets all week. I'm guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Fan Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 What would Grapes think of the Gretzky,Avery,Fleury,and Williams celebrations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Guys, this is Don Cherry. Don't give him the time of day - just move on. There are plenty of soccer haters around. Would anyone waste their time posting something Jim Rome said? Unlikely. Next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finchster Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 It doesn't really matter if Don Cherry hates soccer because celebrations like the ones he showed is poor sportsmanship. What ever happened to the idea of being a bad loser and a bad winner? Now the winner can celebrate however he wants and the loser has to sit there and take it? Ovechkin acts like he won the Stanley Cup every goal scored, some people call it entertainment I call it poor sportsmanship. Just because Cherry had some black players at the end of the video celebrating is in no way is racism. If the Footage is from the u20’s CBC would have had that footage to use, along with the Edu footage at the beginning. These are the same kind of guys you see crying on the bench after a playoff loss, and it is sickening. Jason Arnott got a concussion last year from a celebration that kept him out of the playoffs so no one can say the celebrations never hurt anyone. When Craig Forest didn’t celebrate after stopping that penalty kick and told everyone to get the F-up field and finish the gameit gave me so much respect for the man. Let your game do the talking, there is plenty of time to celebrate at the end of a game when you have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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