Cheeta Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Anybody else see anything on this? First I've heard of this in a long time. There was some chirping along similar lines years ago but I thought the idea had died. Have to wonder where exactly does Mr. Platini think he's going to find an army of quality refs? Hard enough finding even one good one some weekends it seems. http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2009/02/18/uefa-platini.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Referees make mistakes??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I can't think of any way a five-official system could work logistically, unless you've got the extra two refs parked out of play, behind the end lines, essentially acting as goal judges and as back-up in case there's some sort of controversial play that occurs inside the penalty area. But even then, how would it work? Would they get to make decisions about whether or not penalty kicks are awarded? Would the middle ref have the ability to overrule them (as he does with linesmen)? And, as soon as the middle ref overturns a call of a supplemental ref (which would happen on the first day this system was implemented, methinks), wouldn't people be up in arms and call the validity of the whole system into question? I'm not a purist just trying to undermine this idea for the sake of tradition, but as I said, I just can't see - at the moment - how it could feasibly work. (For instance... Platini uses the Adriano "arm-goal" from the Inter/ACM game as an example of a "mistake" that would be corrected... but isn't it possible that the referee saw exactly what happened and conscientiously decided to allow the goal? Keep in mind that play is not automatically stopped if the ball hits someone's arm, the ball must be handled "deliberately" [FIFA LOTG #12]. It looked to me that Adriano was trying to head the ball forward, scuffed it, it went straight down, hit his arm [without him attempting to influence its movement] and bounced into the goal. Sure, it's unsightly for a goal to be scored right off a player's arm, but how do we know that the referee "missed" a call, rather than judging that it was, in fact, a good goal? If there was an extra ref, what would his role be? To second-guess the middle ref's judgment? To engage in an argument with him about whether the handling was deliberate or not? What would this accomplish other than to call into question the credibility of all referees?) Alright, rant done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobu Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Personally, I prefer the human factor to officating that exists in the game. However, there are definitely things to be said about video replay. Do I see video replay in the future? Likely not. But with the current display of officiating around the world, I would not put idea to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Remember, if there were video replay or multiple referees, there'd be no 'Hand of God', England might never have won the World Cup in '66, and nobody would remember Roy Carroll for anything. The game would be poorer for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpok Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I was against introduction of video replay or any technology, but slowly starting to see benefits of video replays. Only thing is that fans will still complain and mistakes will still be made with or with out video replays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 But this isn't the NFL where every match has the same type of TV coverage and same number of TV cameras. So you'll have some matches with full video replay (e.g. FA Cup final at Wembley), others with limited replay availability (e.g. FA Cup first round) and several more matches with no video replay at all (e.g. FA Cup qualifying rounds). What a mess!! Leave things as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I've advocated for a two ref system in the past. I don't think it would hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Gordon I've advocated for a two ref system in the past. I don't think it would hurt. Why less? There are currently FOUR referees in a game and in higher class games they are in radio contact each other. It is fine as is, let us leave it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 ^The put me down as having advocated for 5 refs. I believe another in the middle of the park will catch the dives, the hand balls, shirt tugs and obstruction currently missed. I think refs generally do a pretty good job of catching most of the definite fouls, but there is still room to improve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 This idea was raised by FIFA a while back as an alternative to goal line technology. The theory being that in high level games, referees on goal lines (with radio communication) would be able to judge whether a ball has crossed the line and have the best possible angle to judge dives and hand balls in the box. I like the idea simply because the most crucial calls are those in the box and anything that happens in the 6 yard area is very difficult for a ref to see becuase they're usually well behind the play and the goalmouth is often congested making for obstructed views. Additionally, this would help to eradicate diving from the game. For big matches like the champions league and world cups I think it's a great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 http://canadiansoccerblog.ca/2009/02/19/the-reserve-squad-blatter-proposes-new-22-referee-system/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Now if we were to add video replay to the 22 referee system, them we will have something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 quote:Originally posted by The Ref Now if we were to add video replay to the 22 referee system, them we will have something. Your reaction to this proposal is interesting. Obviously this is a sore spot with you. Care to explain why? What are the rest of us missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Gordon ^The put me down as having advocated for 5 refs. I believe another in the middle of the park will catch the dives, the hand balls, shirt tugs and obstruction currently missed. Keep in mind that guy in the middle of the park will probably be rubbish. Where are you going to find high-quality officials? The reason I don't think more referees is the answer is because rarely does something go missed/unnoticed using the current system. What is far more common is that the referee or linesman sees something but makes the wrong decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 quote:Originally posted by dsqpr Sometimes you just have the wrong angle on it. Was there contact before that player went down in the box or was it a dive? A second set of eyes with a different perspective could help with that kind of crucial decision. And before you say "linesman", don't forget that he is often 30-50 yards away with an obstructed view. The linesman rarely (never?) makes important decisions when he's 30+ yards away unless its an offside decision in which case he's got a perfect angle on it and no obstructions. IF the linesman is more than 30 yards away from the play that means the referee is right on top of the play because of the diagonal movement up-and-down the field that the ref makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Put me down as against refereeing by committee. There is no room for them on the field and Platini is 100% wrong when he says that two more refs would catch 99% of the current mistakes. I say take the 4th referee and build a dugout beside the field where he watchs a TV screen. He has direct communication with the referee on the field and he can delay the game at any time, based on a set protocol, to video review. Every game will have differences in video quality, but any league can make their own standards. And, at least, the obvious things that the fans see will be seen and used to review the officials calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Apparently FIFA has modified the offside rule once again. They are now saying if a defender steps out of the field (as trying to put an attacker offside) without the permission of the referee, such defender will be considered to be on the goal line. I think that is a good change and it may stop some silliness by defenders. Also apparently all other proposals got turned down. Such as temporary suspension with an orange card. 4 subs instead of 3. 20 minutes rest between halves. I believe that the 2 extra ARs was approved and to be located behind the goal. I think it will just create more controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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