TheKottonmouthed1555362307 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Toronto FC loses their second preseason tilt vs the Fire 1-0. The Fire scored on a free kick a few minutes before the half. Edwards played the second half and Guevara didn't play a minute again which is sorta odd. Trialist Darren Kenton played a full 90. While second overall pick Sam Cronin played the full 90 as well. Toronto FC: Greg Sutton (Brian Edwards 45'), Darren Kenton, Kevin Harmse, Marco Velez, Jim Brennan, Rohan Ricketts, Carl Robinson (Kyle Hall 60'), Sam Cronin, Johann Smith (Gregory Richardson 45'), Dwayne De Rosario, Chad Barrett (Fuad Ibrahim 45', Danny Dichio 60') http://web.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20090209&content_id=216484&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Guevara is on national team duty with Honduras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by TheKottonmouthed Toronto FC loses their second preseason tilt vs the Fire 1-0. The Fire scored on a free kick a few minutes before the half. Edwards played the second half and Guevara didn't play a minute again which is sorta odd. Trialist Darren Kenton played a full 90. While second overall pick Sam Cronin played the full 90 as well. Toronto FC: Greg Sutton (Brian Edwards 45'), Darren Kenton, Kevin Harmse, Marco Velez, Jim Brennan, Rohan Ricketts, Carl Robinson (Kyle Hall 60'), Sam Cronin, Johann Smith (Gregory Richardson 45'), Dwayne De Rosario, Chad Barrett (Fuad Ibrahim 45', Danny Dichio 60') http://web.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20090209&content_id=216484&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280 Kenton and Brennan the fullbacks, with Harmse and Velez the CB pairing (my guess?). Surely there is another CB signing in the works? If not, here's hoping that these two can get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Where is Nana? Harmse is clearly being groomed for the CB role, but you'd think of Nana is expected to have any role with the team this year, he'd get a look sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKottonmouthed1555362307 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 O yea forgot Amando went back to the Honduras team. I kne whe came to work out a little with the team so I just assumed he'd get in a game/. as for Nana I think with Marshall leaving its Nana's spot to lose His size puts him at much better advantage than Harmse. Attakora has some good pace as well which allows him to play the Right Back position he is still young so maybe Craver wnats to ease him in and have him on the bench every game. I do know Nana will be a 1st squad p;ayer this year he won't be getting his majority of playing time on the resverves squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Its the lack of a sign of Rosenlund that's more of a concern for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albforrest Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Tyler Rosenlund is no longer a member of TFC. A very good course has told me he had contract issues and they have parted ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Mo Johnston is a clown. Why Velez is on this team ahead of Nana is a joke.... and why we have to let young Canadian talent go because of Mo's crappy cap handling is a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Good God. Nana and Gala are with the Canadian U-20's. Stop freaking out, people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Rudi Good God. Nana and Gala are with the Canadian U-20's. Stop freaking out, people! It's SOP around here. Don't see a name? Freak out and get pissed off at Mo, especially in preseason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKottonmouthed1555362307 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Rudi Good God. Nana and Gala are with the Canadian U-20's. Stop freaking out, people! thats makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Loud Mouth Soup It's SOP around here. Don't see a name? Freak out and get pissed off at Mo, especially in preseason! I considered this is as a possibility, but hadn't read anything recent regarding the U20 camp and had assumed it was over. My bad. If Nana, Harmse, and Velez are the CBs in the squad right now, what order do you rate them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jonovision If Nana, Harmse, and Velez are the CBs in the squad right now, what order do you rate them? Nana hasn't had a start at CB in a league match, has he? I'd like to describe them as one prospect and two suspects (for now, of course). I'd have to put Harmse ahead of Velez based on the end of last season, but that's not saying much because neither of these two inspires me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 ^In a related vein, who are the quality CBs currently on display in the MLS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livesareavailable Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Rudi Good God. Nana and Gala are with the Canadian U-20's. Stop freaking out, people! Actually didn't the camp end last Wednesday?...they're both in Bradenton anyway - you can see them in the background carrying stuff during the post-game interviews, 3 and 27, big and small...I assume they're just being given time to adjust after u20 camp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Rudi Good God. Nana and Gala are with the Canadian U-20's. Stop freaking out, people! no they're not...they are in TFC camp. U20 camp ended last week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by albforrest Tyler Rosenlund is no longer a member of TFC. A very good course has told me he had contract issues and they have parted ways. If this is the case that will tick me off. Presumably the contract issues are that Rosenlund wanted to be graduated to the senior roster & they said no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by VPjr no they're not...they are in TFC camp. U20 camp ended last week Regardless, I don't see the point in bellyaching over the fact that they didn't play in a pre-season match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Rudi Regardless, I don't see the point in bellyaching over the fact that they didn't play in a pre-season match. At what point would you suggest people start to question Mo, Rudi? Perhaps they should wait until the regular season only to be told by the usual suspects that the two were simply not good enough, or else they would be playing? I know that you are a passionate supporter of Canadian soccer, and I do not classify you as one of the "usual suspects" but there is a very clear pattern that suggests that TFC has no interest in playing any more than a token number of canadians. And what Canadian soccer needs right now is for the supporters groups - the folk who make TFC what it is - to start demanding that TFC make a better effort in this regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Gordon At what point would you suggest people start to question Mo, Rudi? Perhaps they should wait until the regular season only to be told by the usual suspects that the two were simply not good enough, or else they would be playing? I know that you are a passionate supporter of Canadian soccer, and I do not classify you as one of the "usual suspects" but there is a very clear pattern that suggests that TFC has no interest in playing any more than a token number of canadians. And what Canadian soccer needs right now is for the supporters groups - the folk who make TFC what it is - to start demanding that TFC make a better effort in this regard. There is questioning Mo, and there is flying off the handle. Far too often on this board, I see the latter when it comes to Canadian players. FYI, Mo does not control who gets on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Gordon At what point would you suggest people start to question Mo, Rudi? Perhaps they should wait until the regular season only to be told by the usual suspects that the two were simply not good enough, or else they would be playing? I know that you are a passionate supporter of Canadian soccer, and I do not classify you as one of the "usual suspects" but there is a very clear pattern that suggests that TFC has no interest in playing any more than a token number of canadians. And what Canadian soccer needs right now is for the supporters groups - the folk who make TFC what it is - to start demanding that TFC make a better effort in this regard. I think we could wait to be a little more advance in the preseason before getting worried about Nana. Maybe he carried a little knock from the U-20 camp or something else. Unless we have a report from some reporter that Nana is out of the picture I'm not sure we should read much from a preseason game. BTW, I would like to see a list of the Canadians rejected by TFC (as trialist or full time players) and see where they are now. Reda (USL) Braz (USL) Canizalez (Oberliga, Germany) Hemming (unattached) Nunez (CSL) Wagenaar (League One, England) Pozniak (Scottish First division) Lombardo (unattached) Srdjan (USL) Kenny S. (Norway second tier) David Guzman (unattached) Who else I forgot? I'm wondering how many of those guys proved they were good enough for MLS after they left TFC? I'm not a fan of Mo and I didn't like his comments about canadians as well, but when I look at the canadians he had with TFC, I find it hard to blame him for releasing or not signing some of those guys except 1 or 2. The problem as I see it, is there's not many Canadians who have the quality to play in this League. When you can find one, he's probably playing in Europe with no interest of coming back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by loyola I think we could wait to be a little more advance in the preseason before getting worried about Nana. Maybe he carried a little knock from the U-20 camp or something else. Unless we have a report from some reporter that Nana is out of the picture I'm not sure we should read much from a preseason game. BTW, I would like to see a list of the Canadians rejected by TFC (as trialist or full time players) and see where they are now. Reda (USL) Braz (USL) Canizalez (Oberliga, Germany) Hemming (unattached) Nunez (CSL) Wagenaar (League One, England) Pozniak (Scottish First division) Lombardo (unattached) Srdjan (USL) Kenny S. (Norway second tier) David Guzman (unattached) Who else I forgot? I'm wondering how many of those guys proved they were good enough for MLS after they left TFC? I'm not a fan of Mo and I didn't like his comments about canadians as well, but when I look at the canadians he had with TFC, I find it hard to blame him for releasing or not signing some of those guys except 1 or 2. The problem as I see it, is there's not many Canadians who have the quality to play in this League. When you can find one, he's probably playing in Europe with no interest of coming back here. Good post. If I had written it, I'd be called a "company man" and all sorts of other things from some of the people here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew W Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BearcatSA ^In a related vein, who are the quality CBs currently on display in the MLS? The ones IMHO that jump to mind are Marshall in Columbus, Boswell in Houston, Conrad in KC and if healthy, Gibbs in Colorado. Some say Soumare in Chicago but he's rarely impressed me. Ty Harden is recently back into the MLS fold with Colorado after a year out doing charity work. MLS GMs seem to undervalue these guys as many CBs have developed in the league and moved on. Nelson and Parkhurst come to mind immediately. Decent players like Goodson and (recently returned from Europe) Borchers are other ones that couldn't even make reasonable money. The appearance is that cash will be spent on the sexy positions but seldom on CBs which makes it often a place where people are breaking in rookies. As always there are exceptions to that rule (such as Conrad who does alright salary wise). That, to me, explains the shelf life of Ty Marshall who continues to play in MLS despite being a tad risky and a little long in the tooth (like I should point fingers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew W Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BearcatSA ^In a related vein, who are the quality CBs currently on display in the MLS? The ones IMHO that jump to mind are Marshall in Columbus, Boswell in Houston, Conrad in KC and if healthy, Gibbs in Colorado. Some say Soumare in Chicago but he's rarely impressed me. Ty Harden is recently back into the MLS fold with Colorado after a year out doing charity work. MLS GMs seem to undervalue these guys as many CBs have developed in the league and moved on. Nelson and Parkhurst come to mind immediately. Decent players like Goodson and (recently returned from Europe) Borchers are other ones that couldn't even make reasonable money. The appearance is that cash will be spent on the sexy positions but seldom on CBs which makes it often a place where people are breaking in rookies. As always there are exceptions to that rule (such as Conrad who does alright salary wise). That, to me, explains the shelf life of Ty Marshall who continues to play in MLS despite being a tad risky and a little long in the tooth (like I should point fingers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 quote:Originally posted by loyola I think we could wait to be a little more advance in the preseason before getting worried about Nana. Maybe he carried a little knock from the U-20 camp or something else. Unless we have a report from some reporter that Nana is out of the picture I'm not sure we should read much from a preseason game. BTW, I would like to see a list of the Canadians rejected by TFC (as trialist or full time players) and see where they are now. Reda (USL) Braz (USL) Canizalez (Oberliga, Germany) Hemming (unattached) Nunez (CSL) Wagenaar (League One, England) Pozniak (Scottish First division) Lombardo (unattached) Srdjan (USL) Kenny S. (Norway second tier) David Guzman (unattached) Who else I forgot? I'm wondering how many of those guys proved they were good enough for MLS after they left TFC? I'm not a fan of Mo and I didn't like his comments about canadians as well, but when I look at the canadians he had with TFC, I find it hard to blame him for releasing or not signing some of those guys except 1 or 2. The problem as I see it, is there's not many Canadians who have the quality to play in this League. When you can find one, he's probably playing in Europe with no interest of coming back here. I will have to respectfully decline the sucker's choice you are offering me, just as I declined the sucker's choice Mo offered when he said he could either win or dress Canadians. I will post on this when I get home from work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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