Vancouversoccerman Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 And I'll add my thumbs up too! About time we had some decent CANADIAN commentary to tune in to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodgkiss Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 guys you should really tune into the live broadcast because half of the questions asked were from the few of us on the chat. we were able to read into what bob would possibly answer and lucky for us, he answered almost everything. and i think the fact that we asked him point blank questions about who is the best of the three canadian teams, the signing of haber and the on-going drama with lensky, it caught him off guard and he answered honestly. i for one will always be tuning in. especially this weekend with garber. trying to pry info from him on bids and salary caps etc will be fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its Called Football Posted February 13, 2009 Author Share Posted February 13, 2009 Hodgkiss - I'm traveling to New York this weekend to get that interview - it won't be on this weekend's show. Sorry for any confusion We are, however, working on some great guests for Saturday's show in regards to the MLS bids. A quick look at ... http://24thminute.blogspot.com/ http://onwardsoccer.com/ ... should tell you where our heads are at this week. Also, I've read every post in here this week. I appreciate the support, suggestions and the (cringe) slagging. It's all taken in. As Ben Knight is fond of saying "For the fans, by the fans." That's what we strive for. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Its Called Football A quick look at ... http://24thminute.blogspot.com/ I wonder who is going to volunteer to sit beside Duane on the U-Sector bus to Montreal for the Voyageurs Cup game! quote:its mayor, who evidently has a thing for 18-year-old teenage boys (not that there is anything wrong with that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Just finished watching the Feb 14 version. Nothing special but Fred Penner really picked up his game. Good job. Technically, 100 percent better than last week. What's Duane got against Vancouver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Joe MacCarthy J What's Duane got against Vancouver? Nothing. Dunae just doesn't like the BC Place plan because he thinks it is what's holding the Whitecaps back from getting a MLS team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 quote:Originally posted by MediaGuy Nothing. Dunae just doesn't like the BC Place plan because he thinks it is what's holding the Whitecaps back from getting a MLS team. Why? Because they don't control revenue streams? Who needs em (for 5-10 years) if you got owners with that much dough. Regardless of any issues we should all get behind the CDN bids. Also the building itself will look great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Joe MacCarthy Why? Because they don't control revenue streams? Who needs em (for 5-10 years) if you got owners with that much dough. Regardless of any issues we should all get behind the CDN bids. Also the building itself will look great. My issue is that I don't think MLS will accept it. It's that simple. It has nothing to do with my own feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 FWIW I really have nothing against Vancouver: http://24thminute.blogspot.com/2009/02/last-word-until-next-one-on-ottawa.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 quote:Originally posted by MediaGuy My issue is that I don't think MLS will accept it. It's that simple. It has nothing to do with my own feelings. Care to share why MLS won't accept a great ownership group (made up of a rich guy celebrity, a rich guy and a couple of rich guys who helped MLS as sponsors) over a fantastic non SSS stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Joe MacCarthy Care to share why MLS won't accept a great ownership group (made up of a rich guy celebrity, a rich guy and a couple of rich guys who helped MLS as sponsors) over a fantastic non SSS stadium. 1- Vancouver is in Canada. IMO the Canadian bids need to be perfect to have a chance as the league is more interested in growing its American footprint. 2- Garber has been clear. They want SSS. BC Place isn't. Although they have made exceptions...see point 1. 3- Turf. Also, see point 1. 4 - A lack of confidence that the SSS situation will ever be worked out. It's been how many years now? Look, I'm not crapping on Vancouver (I want it to get one of the spots). I'm taking issue with its plan to play in a CFL stadium. So will the league, I‘m afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Maybe worth remembering that TFC play on turf and that when Don Garber referred to the Toronto bid as a "slam dunk" there was effectively going to be a new CFL stadium for the Argos at York University with the MLS team as the secondary tenant with zero prospect of a grass SSS just over the horizon. I think what really matters most is that the numbers work in terms of the rent and access to concessions and parking as was the case in Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexTFC Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I don't usually catch the show on Saturday. I noticed the podcast is still not available. Ben, any time frame on when it will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Ben R is still in New York. You can watch it here: http://24thminute.blogspot.com/2009/02/ottawa-roundtable-on-icf.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 ICF, love the show. If you want to take it to the next level bring in Mr. Grillins from the 24t Minute and let go of the girl. She's is only taking away from the show.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayWay Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Caught the show this week - good work! Can't say I like that Duane Rollins, though. He's a fat, arrogant sexist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Fun to listen to a bunch of totally clued out ignorant Torontians pontificating on the chances of Ottawa and Vancouver. That was all hearsay, what about research? Never occured to Rollins that BMO stadium is cracker jack and totally deficient and that the only thing that makes it is the fans? When was it exactly when bolts were falling off, or doesn't that count= But he thinks BC Place is terrible. Too bad because his blog is a bit better informed, at least on some things. Got to give it to them for trying though. I am going to do a interesting podcast next week on something I have no idea about, like the Peruvian league. And I'll do a better job on that than they did on Ottawa (and Vancouver). Edit to be fair: Chantelle was way better this week, more thoughtful, so give her some slack. I don't think, like, she made, hah, hah, any grammar mistakes, like, this week. Yeah. All was pretty standard common English. And she actually got a chance to speak, articulate well, was thorough, her questions were okay, and she showed leadership (including that "after five questions Ben and Duane are tied") and will probably end up being a good sports journalist if she trains more formally. So credit to her. I like Ben because he can speak and is enjoyable to listen to, regardless of the feeling that he does not research his opinions as much as he could either. What are you supposed to spend your time doing if you are a journalist, write really slowly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 zing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S. Fun to listen to a bunch of totally clued out ignorant Torontians pontificating on the chances of Ottawa and Vancouver. That was all hearsay, what about research? Never occured to Rollins that BMO stadium is cracker jack and totally deficient and that the only thing that makes it is the fans? When was it exactly when bolts were falling off, or doesn't that count= But he thinks BC Place is terrible. Too bad because his blog is a bit better informed, at least on some things. Got to give it to them for trying though. I am going to do a interesting podcast next week on something I have no idea about, like the Peruvian league. And I'll do a better job on that than they did on Ottawa (and Vancouver). Edit to be fair: Chantelle was way better this week, more thoughtful, so give her some slack. I don't think, like, she made, hah, hah, any grammar mistakes, like, this week. Yeah. All was pretty standard common English. And she actually got a chance to speak, articulate well, was thorough, her questions were okay, and she showed leadership (including that "after five questions Ben and Duane are tied") and will probably end up being a good sports journalist if she trains more formally. So credit to her. I like Ben because he can speak and is enjoyable to listen to, regardless of the feeling that he does not research his opinions as much as he could either. What are you supposed to spend your time doing if you are a journalist, write really slowly? Why do you *always* go personal? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Oh and Jeffrey... BC Place is a shared, indoor facility that will use FieldTurf. Ottawa is pushing for a SSS St.Louis has a SSS approved Portland's plan calls for a SSS. Of the remaining bids, only Miami is planning on sharing a gridiron facility. But, Miami is connected to Barcelona, is in a much bigger market than Vancouver and does plan to build a SSS. Meanwhile Vancouver is making less and less noise about its waterfront stadium. MLS is moving away from shared stadiums because doing so gives the league more control of its scheduling and additional revenue streams. Stadium control is what allows MLS teams to move from the red into the black. BMO Field, for all of its problems (Field Turf and cookie-cutter, utilitarian design) is all TFC's in the summer. That's why it's workable while BC Place is not. I did not say Vancouver was a disaster as a soccer market. I hold the opposite opinion actually. Vancouver is right there with Portland among the current bids as being the best and most established market. A MLS team in Vancouver would be a spectacular success, even if it played in BC Place. The problem is that we're not going to get a chance to find out because of BC Place and that's why it’s a disaster. See, what's above is an actual argument to back up my opinion. I didn't even insult you. Why don't you try the same thing, only tell me why BC Place is workable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I think I'm starting to understand Jeffrey S. behaviours on this forum. He's acting like the CSA!!! He shows a lot of regionalistic bias, he let personnal matters influence his views/decisions, he's often there to protect his old friends and once in a while does something useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveBeau Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 quote:Originally posted by MediaGuy Why do you *always* go personal? Does it make you feel better about yourself? I also watched the show this past week and althought i do not agree with all of your viewpoints i do think you did a good job defending your opinions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-Time Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 My two cents... Would you rather have no show whatsoever to talk soccer/football or would you like to have ICF on? If you would rather have people talking soccer, then baseball caps and scarves are all part of the deal. The business is about informing, opinion and yes, believe it or not, a little bit of entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 And here's the thing. I don't think the show pretends to be anything it isn't. It's the audio version of a fanzine. Footie programing for a footie audience by footie fans. Like you wrote, opinion and entertainment. A vessel for provoking thought and discussion. No one is presenting a thesis on how to cure diabetes or anything. It's just not that heavy. Whatever it is it's a training exercise for some of those involved and quite frankly part of their training is going to involve growing a thick skin. And that exercise (at least) is something the Vs will be happy to help with. Shrug. It's cool. I honestly hope to see improvements in the future, there is room definitely room for it but all in due time. There is enough quality in the show to allow it that grace period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I like the logic of pseudo-journalists, who label themselves as much on this board: the poster on a fan board deserves greater scrutiny than the guy publishing a blog or doing a broadcast for the general public. Basically a subterfuge for being irresponsible in public. If you don't got it, flaunt it. Live and in colour too. I also like the way the ones who have a public platform are all worried about what the peanut gallery has to say, even trying to make it shut up or control it. Think classic journalistic codes used to say it was just the opposite, but time are changing I guess. Give a guy a microphone and he thinks he's big brother. At least Duane should have the honesty to admit he slagged BC Place for different reasons than he thinks the MLS might have to question it. Loose lipped and shifty too. Is he making the MLS argument, or his own opinion? And when was the last time he saw soccer there to make an intelligent judgement? BC Place renovated will kill BMO, just my opinion. But leaving Vancouver aside--I know TFC fans are jealous because when Vancouver gets in TO will no longer have the largest crowds in MLS (and lets not even get into the ridiculously petty effort to downplay Montreal's crowd vs. Santos Laguna next week, publicly flaunting their hard won TFC insecurity)--you have to wonder about their views on Ottawa. Ottawa, the Canadian hinterland. Sit in a Starbucks on Bay Street and take out your binoculars. You can almost see it, and if you can't, you can make it all up. Not a single opinion was based on research, it was all hearsay, speculation, my friend said, a few years ago I went there and I saw this, my feeling is. Fluff about CFL galore. But consensus--almost--on Taylor Field for chrissakes! You have a whole week to maybe make a phone call or two and gather some data, not just land in your seat and yap off the top of your head, like you are in a bar drunk with friends. Or on a fan board like this where you are allowed to do just that. But no. That is irresponsible journalism and you can't defend it by saying oh, we are just goofing around, or by taking a stab at your critics. I thoroughly enjoyed the show however and hope to tune in to future broadcasts. Seriously. My criticisms were soft I think, in summary: unnecessary slagging of BC Place without basis; ignorant rambling on about Ottawa; slagging Montreal's amazing crowd for next week's match; immaturity and dishonesty in the face of criticism. The rest was great. I thought what Duane had to say about Man City was spot on, only place outside of Toronto that got a fair shake. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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