Cheeta Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 ^The skill set necessary to be successful and/or popular in League 2 and League 1 isn't necessarily the skill set which will best serve him in the CCC, never mind the EPL or Bundesliga for that matter. Not saying he's headed for those lofty heights, just saying. I don't think any of the learned (as it were) doubts that Jackson could very well be playing below himself with Gills. We'll find out if that opinion holds come the January window. If he does as well this fall as he did last season Gillingham won't be able to hold on to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puskas Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I don't understand why people are complaining so much about having the Gold Cup right now. Yes having it every two years is a bit redundant but it is good for Canada. Lets face it, if it wasn't for the Gold Cup, and having to prepare for it, Canada wouldn't even be playing together as a team something that is essential but the CSA is always reluctant to do enough of. So the Gold Cup gives Canada more games, more experience, team unity, young players a shot and a chance to save some face after the horrible World Cup qualifying. What is sooo bad about that??? The more soccer the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Ed You're just repeating the same bogus arguments again and again in your 'response'. The fact that you rate the top goalscorer on a Bundesliga team as a one-dimensional wooden figure who is only good in the air shows your shoddy research. He scored only 2 of his 7 goals with his head and, in fact, was set up on his last league goal by a back by the name of Stalteri. I assume, because his name is not Klukowski, that you label as Stalteri as a lost cause with any formation featuring Friend. You can rewrite your bogus blog fifteen times; it won't make it any more compelling. And to those advocating Peters, Jackson et al ahead of Friend, all I can say is that I hope you are not picking lineups here in Canada for any local teams. I never said he is only good using his head, I said he needs balls into the box. The video below is a Friend goal compilation, you will notice EVERY SINGLE goal Friend scores is from a ball into the box from a wide position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 quote:Originally posted by puskas I don't understand why people are complaining so much about having the Gold Cup right now. Yes having it every two years is a bit redundant but it is good for Canada. Lets face it, if it wasn't for the Gold Cup, and having to prepare for it, Canada wouldn't even be playing together as a team something that is essential but the CSA is always reluctant to do enough of. So the Gold Cup gives Canada more games, more experience, team unity, young players a shot and a chance to save some face after the horrible World Cup qualifying. What is sooo bad about that??? The more soccer the better. Having games to play is good but I think the best solution is to fix CONCACAF World Cup Qualifying so most of the top teams are playing in the final stage. Maybe a group of 10, similar to the large group in South America or two groups of five like they have in Asia. Then you can have the Gold Cup once every four years, likely just before the final WC qualifying group(s) gets underway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puskas Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I guess what is bizarre about it is that we are still in the middle of Concacaf World Cup qualifying and now suddenly we have the Gold Cup. But like I said it is good for Canada. As far as having ten teams making the final stage, the way we played under Mitchell, we may not even have made that. For example Jamaica had like 9 points and we had 2. So again we benefit with the Gold Cup. Now with Mitchell gone, we may be able to save face and put this dark era behind us and somehow keep progressing until the next World Cup compaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S. But I'll concede, fair enough that where you play does not ensure you are better for the national team. Now, I dare anyone here to show one single national team that plays a 4th tier striker ahead of a 1st tier striker because the fans weren't happy with the latter's 5-6 games with the national team that just happened to fail outright all around and totally embarrassingly with or without him. Ian Goodison(Tranmere Rovers-League 2) over Nyron Noseworthy(AFC Sunderland-EPL). Not quite the striker position (central defense), but an example of 4th tier player over 1st tier player. Plus the Jamacian team failed in a sense, they never advanced to the HEX. Almost got you Jeffery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 quote: "Simeon didn't have his best of games," said Stimson, "but when the opportunity came up he was in the right place at the right time. The kid's a natural goalscorer, a big game player, and he certainly knows where the goal is." http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/News/LeagueTwoNewsDetail/0,,10794~1665792,00.html So there you have it, Simeon Jackson is more of a finisher than anything. That is probably why Gillingham fans don't rate him as high as they probably should. If he only scored 12 goals but was a ronaldo type player I bet he would be more highly rated by Gillinghgam supporters. Sounds quite a bit like Gerba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 quote:Originally posted by puskas So the Gold Cup gives Canada more games, more experience, team unity, young players a shot and a chance to save some face after the horrible World Cup qualifying. What is sooo bad about that??? The more soccer the better. I would agree completely. This year's GC will allow Canada (and many of its key players like JDG, DDR, etc.) to save face from a horrible WCQ and also to make up for the semi-final loss to the Americans in GC2007. The GC allows for Canada to move up in its ranking and pave the way for a more positive rebuilding program to 2014. We should take this tournament seriously, despite all its perceived faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Most importantly, it seems this Gold Cup will give us a chance to run out many of our young and up-and-coming players as we begin to prepare for 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by VPjr Guys....whether you fancy Friend or not is irrelevant. He will NOT be at GC. He's recovering from injury and surgeries and will not be available. Gerba has an injury problem as well and is not likely going to be fit to play (plus, he hasn't played in months and is likely not in shape to make a big contribution). This is going to be a difficult tournament for Hart to build his team for. The month of July is a stupid time for this tournnament, especially in the year before the WC, when every European league will push up its pre-season training by a couple of weeks because the leagues are going to start a bit earlier than normal. This scheduling issue is especially impactful for anyone playing in England or Germany. Knowing what I've just told you (and you can take that info to the bank), you will now need to rethink your prefered starting XI. When is Jack Warner going to learn that this confederation only needs a GC every 4 years. Yes, the timing of the Gold Cup may not be ideal, but it is a million times better than a February tournament like in 2000 or the African Cup of Nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by masster Yes, the timing of the Gold Cup may not be ideal, but it is a million times better than a February tournament like in 2000 or the African Cup of Nations. Agreed. The tournament in 2005 was also in July, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by VPjr The month of July is a stupid time for this tournnament, especially in the year before the WC, when every European league will push up its pre-season training by a couple of weeks because the leagues are going to start a bit earlier than normal. When is Jack Warner going to learn that this confederation only needs a GC every 4 years. Not sure I can agree on these points. They tried holding this tournament in winter and everyone complained that the players could not get time away from their clubs. Now they are holding it in summer and Euro-based players need rest, time with families, etcetera while North American based players are busy with their clubs. The reality is there is no good time for the Gold Cup. We just take whoever is available. I don't think CONCACAF can be blamed on this one. Re: Gold cup every 4 year - Canada needs as many tournaments as it can get. Even if we can't send our best XI we always need to take the opportunity to view and assess players. We need this every 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by ray Re: Gold cup every 4 year - Canada needs as many tournaments as it can get. Even if we can't send our best XI we always need to take the opportunity to view and assess players. We need this every 2 years. But as Lurker implied above, what we really need is a World Cup qualifying format that doesn't stink! You can only improve so much from a mickey-mouse tournament played over two weeks in July (and played in the USA every time). CONCACAF is the only confederation that eliminates relatively big, competitive nations before the final qualifying round. How are teams like Jamaica, Canada, Honduras, Guatemala, Cuba etc. supposed to grow if they are not playing competitive matches regularily? It's like C'Bol getting rid of Ecuador and Venezuela in preliminary rounds. They'd probably never have been able to reach their current level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by ray Not sure I can agree on these points. They tried holding this tournament in winter and everyone complained that the players could not get time away from their clubs. Now they are holding it in summer and Euro-based players need rest, time with families, etcetera while North American based players are busy with their clubs. The reality is there is no good time for the Gold Cup. We just take whoever is available. I don't think CONCACAF can be blamed on this one. Re: Gold cup every 4 year - Canada needs as many tournaments as it can get. Even if we can't send our best XI we always need to take the opportunity to view and assess players. We need this every 2 years. as Amacpher rightly states, 1 Gold Cup ever 4 years would be just fine because the real fix to the problem is reforming the WCQ tournament. And 2nd week of June would be a much better time to start the GC. It would be less impactful to players who play in Europe. It works for the UEFA European cup...not sure why GC cant follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 quote:Originally posted by VPjr as Amacpher rightly states, 1 Gold Cup ever 4 years would be just fine because the real fix to the problem is reforming the WCQ tournament. And 2nd week of June would be a much better time to start the GC. It would be less impactful to players who play in Europe. It works for the UEFA European cup...not sure why GC cant follow suit. GC dates are tough, remember when we played in January? That was nuts. I would have thought we'd be playing in June this year if it were not for the Confed Cup this weekend. Can't have those coincide in a FIFA calendar. July is worse than June for heat in the southern US and even more so in Mexico when games are played there. Further complications: a lot of C. American and Caribbean leagues are out of season, players are not really even close to game fit. Though I accept that with MLS going through along with Scandinavia and Europe ending late May (except Romania), most players not playing Central Am or Carib leagues would be sharper in June as well. June then. Good time, NBA and hockey are ending, only baseball to compete for US sport fan interest. And every two years, at least until we fix the WC qualifying format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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