jpg75 Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 Sure they could create a skeleton schedule, but i don't think it's that big of a deal to have not done it. They need to know who's playing before they figure out who goes where and start marketing. Let's say they were to have marketed the Haitian team in Miami before qualifying, they'd be looking pretty silly right about now. As unlikely as Nicaragua beating Guatemala tomorrow, again, marketing to the Guate community in SoCal would be egg in the face. Let's not forget that WCQ also dictated that any qualifiers would have to wait until after mid-November at the earliest. Two extra months is not the end of the world and besides the UNCAF tourney kills two birds with one stone for the CA teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Ummm Nicaragua is in the gold cup........... they beat Guatemala 2-0 http://www.concacaf.com/view_article.aspx?id=4610 Tourny is Mexico, USA, Canada, Costa Rica, Honduras, Panama, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Grenada, Jamaica, Cuba, Guadeloupe. Guatemala, Haiti, T&T were in the '07 edition. This field appears to be much weaker than last time, especially considering the five teams in the hex might field weaker sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 That's a pretty crazy result, the Guatemalans must be in mourning right now. I would assume that the Nicas will be placed in the Miami group, there's a sizeable Nica ex-pat community down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Alex Ummm Nicaragua is in the gold cup........... they beat Guatemala 2-0 http://www.concacaf.com/view_article.aspx?id=4610 Tourny is Mexico, USA, Canada, Costa Rica, Honduras, Panama, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Grenada, Jamaica, Cuba, Guadeloupe. Guatemala, Haiti, T&T were in the '07 edition. This field appears to be much weaker than last time, especially considering the five teams in the hex might field weaker sides. Canada has a real good shot if they want it. We will be able to send a good squad, our talent pool has come a long way since even 2 years ago. Now we have talent such as Lensky and Johnson playing in North America. Edgar is getting good time in the premier league, Hainault in Houston? Ledgerwood, Stalteri and Friend playing in Germany. Imhof and Mckenna also in the bundesliga. Then Hutchinson, De Guz, DeRo. Since the 07 Gold Cup we have improved certain positions I think. If Hirsch shows our keeping is better, Serioux, McKenna and Edgar instead of Hainault and Hastings. Klukowski instead of Jazic. Imhof instead of Nash. Lets hope everyone shows this could be the year as unlikely as it sounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodelcitizen Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Is the Confederations Cup in S.A. before or after this? The US still haven't gone to one since winning the last Gold Cup, and the next one after this will be 2013 in Brazil (AFTER the 2011 Gold Cup)... could the winner of this Gold Cup miss out on a Confed Cup entirely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I personally believe we should all have to qualify. It is only right, it is only fair. Canada would in fact benefit from having to qualify, like going through two home and away series, or something like that. We need the games, and we need competitive games. It would also be right to rotate the host, most of Concacaf countries can find 4 stadiums to do a tournament with. I think Concacaf won't change anything, though I am rather surprised that none of the others complain about Canada getting in on the basis of one GC win. What will they do further down the road if and when there begin to be other former winners around, have less free spots and more assured participations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 quote:Originally posted by themodelcitizen Is the Confederations Cup in S.A. before or after this? The US still haven't gone to one since winning the last Gold Cup, and the next one after this will be 2013 in Brazil (AFTER the 2011 Gold Cup)... could the winner of this Gold Cup miss out on a Confed Cup entirely? This tournament doesn't have confederations cup up for grabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S. I think Concacaf won't change anything, though I am rather surprised that none of the others complain about Canada getting in on the basis of one GC win. What will they do further down the road if and when there begin to be other former winners around, have less free spots and more assured participations? Money - or rather the lack of money - is why they do not complain. Most of Concacaf are not rich and the cost of playing in a regional qualifying tournament or series is substantially less than bringing a full team to Canada. Recall Belieze trading their WCQ home game to us in exchange for paying their way to Canada in 2004. It's a sad reality in this region, so the "past champions" clause is an acceptable contrivance to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Keegan Canada has a real good shot if they want it. We will be able to send a good squad, our talent pool has come a long way since even 2 years ago. Now we have talent such as Lensky and Johnson playing in North America. Edgar is getting good time in the premier league, Hainault in Houston? Ledgerwood, Stalteri and Friend playing in Germany. Imhof and Mckenna also in the bundesliga. Then Hutchinson, De Guz, DeRo. Since the 07 Gold Cup we have improved certain positions I think. If Hirsch shows our keeping is better, Serioux, McKenna and Edgar instead of Hainault and Hastings. Klukowski instead of Jazic. Imhof instead of Nash. Lets hope everyone shows this could be the year as unlikely as it sounds Unlikely, indeed. I envision the likes of Harmse, Cann, Pozniak, et. al. of that calibre longing substantial minutes in the three matches, though I'm looking forward to seeing Edgar get his first senior cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BearcatSA Unlikely, indeed. I envision the likes of Harmse, Cann, Pozniak, et. al. of that calibre longing substantial minutes in the three matches, though I'm looking forward to seeing Edgar get his first senior cap. Ugh, I don't mind Pozniak and Harmse toooo much but there is no reason Cann should be called. NO reason. Even if half the players turn down calls we still have enough players that they shouldn't see the roster. Our CB depth is enough that we don't have to worry about that and if he is called that is straight up playing favourites. Jakovic, Hainault, Serioux, Brennan, Edgar, Hastings, McKenna.... hell Pizzolito! There is no reason for Cann, Pozniak or Harmse to make the team but this is the CSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juby Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Gordon Money - or rather the lack of money - is why they do not complain. Most of Concacaf are not rich and the cost of playing in a regional qualifying tournament or series is substantially less than bringing a full team to Canada. Recall Belieze trading their WCQ home game to us in exchange for paying their way to Canada in 2004. It's a sad reality in this region, so the "past champions" clause is an acceptable contrivance to everyone. Yes, the fact that mexico and the US divide us from the rest of CONCACAF would put alot of monetary pressure on the central american and caribbean FA's, maybe too much, I think only bermuda might be closer then Mexico. Really though it screws us over to miss games, I hate saying ideas cause nothings gonna happen but why can't BMO hold a 4 team tourney sometime in the year before every gold cup? like Canada, central american champs (maybe going back 2 years and 2nd and so on if 1st declines), caribbean champs (and same dealie as CenAmer) and an invitee. Honestly, every two years, there is probably a team in each region in the position to come up here and one anywhere invitee, if we could get it to count in any way for Fifa rankings we could get the teams for sure. If a team like Jamaica came up or a bigish invitee it would probably sell pretty damn well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Keegan Ugh, I don't mind Pozniak and Harmse toooo much but there is no reason Cann should be called. NO reason. Even if half the players turn down calls we still have enough players that they shouldn't see the roster. Our CB depth is enough that we don't have to worry about that and if he is called that is straight up playing favourites. Jakovic, Hainault, Serioux, Brennan, Edgar, Hastings, McKenna.... hell Pizzolito! There is no reason for Cann, Pozniak or Harmse to make the team but this is the CSA I'm interested in seeing if McKenna will answer DM's call; the likelihood of DM calling Brennan would seem incredibly slim. So the chances of Cann making an appearence improve considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Juby Really though it screws us over to miss games, I hate saying ideas cause nothings gonna happen but why can't BMO hold a 4 team tourney sometime in the year before every gold cup? like Canada, central american champs (maybe going back 2 years and 2nd and so on if 1st declines), caribbean champs (and same dealie as CenAmer) and an invitee. Honestly, every two years, there is probably a team in each region in the position to come up here and one anywhere invitee, if we could get it to count in any way for Fifa rankings we could get the teams for sure. If a team like Jamaica came up or a bigish invitee it would probably sell pretty damn well. In 2008, the best time to schedule this tournament would have been May 31st - June 4th. It would have been: Canada, Costa Rica, Haiti and an invitee. Available at the time: Argentina, Brazil, England etc. No matter what you do - you can't make it count for the FIFA ranking - except as friendly matches, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Keegan Ugh, I don't mind Pozniak and Harmse toooo much but there is no reason Cann should be called. NO reason. Even if half the players turn down calls we still have enough players that they shouldn't see the roster. Our CB depth is enough that we don't have to worry about that and if he is called that is straight up playing favourites. Jakovic, Hainault, Serioux, Brennan, Edgar, Hastings, McKenna.... hell Pizzolito! There is no reason for Cann, Pozniak or Harmse to make the team but this is the CSA I would take Cann over Pozniak without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hottoddy7 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Does anyone have any idea when the possible gold cup group in TO might be announced? I am trying to make some vacation plans and would seriously consider this if I knew it was going to happen. However I am getting some pressure about other avenues and I am not sure how long I can put it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl-supporter23 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Plans should be announced in March, here's hoping that if they don't set the group in Toronto that they'll atleast place Canada on the east coast (New York or New England) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 ^ Here's hoping that they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKottonmouthed1555362307 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I want to see Edgar and Hainault in the CB Ledgerwood and Stalteri on the wing backs De-ro, Hutchinson, Bernier Peters in Midfiels (Hopefully Deguzman will come as well) maybe issey and imhof there as well Friend and Radz up front with Gerba off the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 quote:Originally posted by masster ^ Here's hoping that they don't. Actually I am hoping that Vancouver would be a nice change, but Seattle is also an awesome place for footie. I'm also fine with Toronto or Montreal, but please please please not another road trip to Boston! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futsal Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 The trip to Chicago forthe semi'sin 07 was brilliant, only 8 hours away as opposed to 10-13 for other major cities. Plus Soldier Field is by far and away a better venue to watch soccer in than both Gillette and Giants Stadum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl-supporter23 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Whats wrong with keeping the game on the east coast? You rather have Canada playing its games in Central or Western USA? If the group is not set in Toronto (which odds are it won't) the best situation for getting the most fans travelling from Ontario and Quebec is for the games to be held on the east coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKottonmouthed1555362307 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 screw the east coast supporters put it in Seattle for the West Coast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tintin Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Imagine if other federations were as screwy and corrupt as CONCACAF. Imagine the European Championship held every time in Germany, or the Copa América every year in Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Could we get a few things clear? Building for the future does not exist on the pitch unless the present is a write off. Our next official competition is the Gold Cup and it is not a write off. We are qualified and start on a level ground as the rest. That can mean only one thing: call up the best Canadian player for each position, the second best for each position, and a couple more if necessary to make sure the squad is as strong as possible. And try to win the damn thing. At least it is realistic, we did it once and came close other times. To hell with putting a bunch of kids in there, put up your best roster and choose those most in form, and go for a win every match. If we can get a draw and a tie from the first three, and win the next three, we are winners. And we are not going to do that with future prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_AM_CANADIAN Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 quote:Originally posted by leafdolfan What I can't believe is that we are so close to the tournament and still no confirmation from CONCACAF of the dates or host, never mind the venues... 'Tis CONCACAF. Nothing is done the way it is in the rest of the world, it's the most corrupt and inefficient confederation on the planet, remember? And honestly, there's no reason not to start our best team. This isn't hockey, there's no sweet draft picks for coming in last. For the good of the game in this country, after that disaster of a World Cup qualifying campaign, a decent run in the Gold Cup would put Canadian 'soccer' back in the news. The first match against Jamaica in Toronto got all kinds of press, by the time we were out of it and got killed in Jamaica the media had lost interest. Losing doesn't get you in the papers, we always lose, that's not a big story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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