FutureStarCSL Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 why doesn't Vancouver,Montreal and Ottawa jus invest each of their 30 million dollers into the CSL. They should each by 3 teams for 10 million dollers and invest through that,once they have made back the 10 million from each 3 teams they bought they can sell those 3 teams to deep pockets for the 10 million so they have their money back. thats 9 teams for 90 million dollers plus Montreal,Vancouver and Ottawa, makes a league of 12 teams,which is bigger the the A-league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 They would get more return on their investment by buying 90 million dollars worth of beer, drinking it, and returning the empties for a refund. You are seriously kookoo if you think anybody would make money (let alone their 3 x 10 million each) on 9 CSL teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiral Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 There's no future for a CSL. Too small a market and too little interest. It's MLS or bust. Let's get on bigsoccer.com and raise hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureStarCSL Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 so then why dont they just start up a new league then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 ^ That's what I've been wondering as well. The usual "not a large enough market" argument will apply, as well as the lack of prestige and respect on the international front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Ed They would get more return on their investment by buying 90 million dollars worth of beer, drinking it, and returning the empties for a refund. You are seriously kookoo if you think anybody would make money (let alone their 3 x 10 million each) on 9 CSL teams. Post of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 North Korea just got gold and silver in Women's U17 and U20 from a league with too small a market, too little interest, and a lack of internationals. Same can be said for half the countries in Africa in the men's game. Do people think we'll ever be anyone or anywhere riding the American's asses by being a sliver in leagues that are slanted for them and against us? And even if we had more than the three teams we have now, we don't play Canadians on them anyway. How much friggin worse can it be? Seriously. You don't see Northern Ireland playing in the English leagues. Every small country in Europe has their own league. If money is your motivation you've already lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 We seem to get caught up in this debate a lot. The bottom line IMO is that Canada still doesn't have enough interest outside of a few cities to make a national league an attractive option. There simply wouldn't be enough ROI to justify business people commiting the resources and it would fail to capture people's imagination. Money might not be our motivation, but for anybody who's actually going to commit money to this damn thing, it will be. We can't run it as a charity. The biggest obsitcle i think we still face is finding the talent at an earlier age (12-18 area) and get it into an environment where they play competitive games on a regular basis and get high quality training. Evidentially, once we can pit the best of what we have against each other, we'll start seeing a better grade of player who is ready to make the transition to a professional environment. I don't think you necessarily need full-blown pro clubs to do this, but you need something better organized (and more exclusive) than what we have right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I hope to see new PDL teams popping up in this country. If other cities can follow the Whitecaps's model of having a prospects (Super-Y League team(s)) system that feeds into a PDL team, the growth of players in this country would grow by leaps and bounds. Also, hopefully the CSA's plan of having the provincial associations regulate the trade off between training and playing games for the 6 - 12 age groups will fully come in to effect. I know that the Saskatchewan Soccer Association is gearing up to put that model in to effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawasoccerfan Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Tuccan Thats what the ottawa fury do they have youth teams in the super y league that feed into the pdl and the w -league team.This year there aslo going to have there reserve teams in the ottawa carleton soccer league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calgary Boomer Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I don't think it's an illogical idea...even if it is idealistic. Despite not qualifying for the WC during the CSL years, we were actually closer to a berth in the big show than we have been in the current set-up. There's 120 million between the 3 principles...which would be enough to build modest stadiums in the markets without, and even a modest operating budget for each team. Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa and ideally Toronto would still be the glamour teams, and Canadians would make up the majority of the rosters. If making money is the goal, this is not the way to go. If qualifying for the World Cup, and increasing the standard on our soil is the objective...it's actually a pretty good argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Dream on fellas because that's all it will be for the foreseeable future, a dream. How many times have we been down this road, debating a Canadian league? Professional sport is a business first and foremost and there simply is no supportable business case for a reincarnated CSL (and I don't mean that Ontario based outfit) which is why it isn't happening. It has been studied every which way and all the business studies have reached the same conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bratworst Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Look at the the Republic of Ireland, soccer is their 4th or 5th sport? They have a league where hopefuls are grabbed up by Scottish and English clubs often at high levels. They also have a population roughly the size of greater Montreal. I don't think a Canadian league would not work in Canada (financial reasons considered), I feel it's the lack of motivation to get it going that's the real obstacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 ^one word for you mate, geography. You can drive from one end of Ireland to the other in a few hours. Driving from Vancouver to the next city of any note takes a full day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 ^ find a new excuse. The Quebec City-Windsor Corridor is 700 miles and the same distance as across either Britain, France or Spain. Three of the four major cities in Canada and 60% of the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 OK then, organise a Quebec City to Windsor league but it won't be Canada's national league any more than Cary Kaplan's CSL is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Is the CIS Canadian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 ^If you're suggesting that a Canadian national soccer league is viable because the CIS manages it, you're even more out to lunch than you initially appeared. The CIS plays in a series of regional leagues with a national championship at the end. They also don't pay their players. It's apples and oranges, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Because the CIS manages it? Where in God's name did you get that from? My point was/is we have a Canadian league, but BC is so "distinct" they have no interest anyway. We have more people in an area the size countries all over the world do it. Yet we can't do it because of our size. Good logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by SthMelbRed ^one word for you mate, geography. You can drive from one end of Ireland to the other in a few hours. Driving from Vancouver to the next city of any note takes a full day. With how crappy BC ferries is these days it might take all day to get to Victoria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfof Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Geography or no, it's downright shameful that an industrialized country of over 30-million people, with one of the highest per-capita incomes in the world, cannot have its own football league. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Well we don't have our OWN top tier hockey league and we live and die for that sport. This is North America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 If we can't sustain a domestic top level pro hockey league in Canada, our so-called national obsession, what hope is there to succeed commercially with a full time professional soccer league, I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Hockey is Canadian. The NHL is Canadian. We exported the game to the sunny States for crying out loud. We are a victim of our own success, and if we brought the game back to the country it would be a Hell of a lot better for our culture, the game and real fans. We even have a GREAT and hugely successful JUNIOR hockey league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Vic Hockey is Canadian. The NHL is Canadian. We exported the game to the sunny States for crying out loud. We are a victim of our own success, and if we brought the game back to the country it would be a Hell of a lot better for our culture, the game and real fans. We even have a GREAT and hugely successful JUNIOR hockey league. This is true. the NHL is supported mostly from within Canada PLUS we have 3 very popular Junior leagues which all draw crowds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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