Canuck Oranje Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 For those who care, it seems that Gol TV will carry the tournament next week. Don't know the players that well, but I did see the tournament on TV while in Brazil last time and I found it entertaining. An interesting point about Brazil's team: If you assume that numbers 1-11 are given to those anticipated to be starters, 4 of 11 projected starters played in Serie B in 2008. And their key offensive player, Dentinho, is one of them. I see that as just another indication of the narrow gap that exists in Brazil between Serie A and Serie B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Canuck Oranje For those who care, it seems that Gol TV will carry the tournament next week. Don't know the players that well, but I did see the tournament on TV while in Brazil last time and I found it entertaining. An interesting point about Brazil's team: If you assume that numbers 1-11 are given to those anticipated to be starters, 4 of 11 projected starters played in Serie B in 2008. And their key offensive player, Dentinho, is one of them. I see that as just another indication of the narrow gap that exists in Brazil between Serie A and Serie B I think you'll find that's true for most countries though. For instance, more than half of England's under-21 squad plays in either the Championship or League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Are we counting players on loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Except that few foreignors play in Brazil and the better players ultimately get transferred to Europe. The players in question are owned by the Serie B clubs and in fact, it is not uncommon to have small clubs loan players to Serie A (primarily) or Serie B clubs to get exposure for those players so they can be sold to Europe for a better price. Note I said another indication. There are others but listing them wasn't the purpose of the post. In fact, Corinthians, in 2008, could have placed in the top half of Serie A while they were playing in Serie B. The Brazilian league also has a recent history of big clubs getting relegated. The biggest usually regain their stature the next year but some take a little longer to come back. quote:Originally posted by amacpher I think you'll find that's true for most countries though. For instance, more than half of England's under-21 squad plays in either the Championship or League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Tournament starts tonight with Peru-Ecuador at 6pm ET and followed by hosts Venezuala taking on defending U20 champs Argentina at 8pm ET. I'm still trying to figure out if the games will be on DishNet or whether i'm going to have to subscribe to GolTV Canada through Rogers. As is usually the case, the matches can be wagered on at most betting sites. Here are the odds for tonight and tomorrow nights matches: Peru U20 v Ecuador U20 2.25 2.87 3.10 Venezuela U20 v Argentina U20 7.50 4.20 1.33 Bolivia U20 v Uruguay U20 5.50 3.50 1.53 Brazil U20 v Paraguay U20 1.53 3.50 5.50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Let's hope GolTV will continue their U-20 coverage with the CONCACAF tournament in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 More info. on the tournament: http://www.goal.com/en/news/1784/south-american-u-20-championship-comnebol Team Profiles: http://www.goal.com/en/Infopage.aspx?ContenutoId=1063781 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Peru 1-2 Ecuador The Peru GK Hermosa looked shaky and unsure of himself on balls in the air. The Peru D were also not as tight as they should have been and poor in the air. Both Ecuador goals were scored by Joao Rojas on headers. Peru showed better passing skill in the midfield, but there was a noticeable gap in athleticism and Ecuadors' defence closed things down well. PSV right mid Reimond Manco drew a PK that was converted by Barros. Venezuala 1-1 Argentina Venezuala scored on a PK in the 2nd minute, not the start Argentina was looking for. They answered about 20 minutes later when Salvio got behind his defender and alone in on net before blasting into the far side from 10 yards. Argentina will be without strikers Di Santo (Chelsea) and Piatti (Almeria) who were held back by their clubs. Q: Do clubs have to release players for U20 qualifiers? Hey Canuck Oranje, can you give us a brief analysis of what to expect from each team or their relative strengths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 quote:Originally posted by loyola Let's hope GolTV will continue their U-20 coverage with the CONCACAF tournament in March. Would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 Q: Do clubs have to release players for U20 qualifiers? I think the answer is no but I am not 100% sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 I don't know the teams that well but my guess is that in the end it will be Argentina and Brazil as always. Early on, Argentina's biggest challenge is facing the home team and the home bias in Venezuela. Columbia should be one of the stronger teams as well. In the end, it will likely be all about whether Argentina and Brazil can get it together and which one of those two finds its form. And keeps their emotions in check because the refereeing can be frustrating. We are talking about 18-19 year olds. As for Brazil, look for Douglas Costa (rumours of Real Madrid, Barcelona and Man U all bidding on his rights), Dentinho and Renan Oliveira have played regularly with their clubs. I've seen Dentinho play and he can be a treat to watch too. Re: Do clubs have to release their players for this tournament? Clubs do not have to release their players, as far as I know. For example, Alexandre Pato of Milan still qualifies to play in this tournament but is not there (but then I doubt Brazil would have called him as he would take the place of someone who would learn more from this tournament). In watching the game between Argentina and Venezuela, I seem to recall it said that Argentina was missing a player or two because their European clubs did not release them. quote:Originally posted by jpg75 Peru 1-2 Ecuador The Peru GK Hermosa looked shaky and unsure of himself on balls in the air. The Peru D were also not as tight as they should have been and poor in the air. Both Ecuador goals were scored by Joao Rojas on headers. Peru showed better passing skill in the midfield, but there was a noticeable gap in athleticism and Ecuadors' defence closed things down well. PSV right mid Reimond Manco drew a PK that was converted by Barros. Venezuala 1-1 Argentina Venezuala scored on a PK in the 2nd minute, not the start Argentina was looking for. They answered about 20 minutes later when Salvio got behind his defender and alone in on net before blasting into the far side from 10 yards. Argentina will be without strikers Di Santo (Chelsea) and Piatti (Almeria) who were held back by their clubs. Q: Do clubs have to release players for U20 qualifiers? Hey Canuck Oranje, can you give us a brief analysis of what to expect from each team or their relative strengths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 ^Emiliano Insua was very inconveniently, for both himself and his club, called up for this tournament. Just as he was breaking into the Liverpool first team and making an impression, he's been called away for over a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Should point-out that this tournament is a marathon, not a sprint. Four matches each in the first round, then 5 more in the final round. [8)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 So far Uruguay looks strong. Brazil should have won today against Paraguay, but only managed to save a 1-1 tie. With so many games for all teams, the final 4 should truly be the best representatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Yesterday: Bolivia 0-2 Uruguay A couple of good strikes from Lodeiro puts the boots to a young Bolivian team - they have 5 players born in '92. Paraguay 1-1 Brasil Walter lets go a complete bomb from 35 yards out into the top corner, awesome goal! Paraguay equalize late with a deflection of a Brasilian defender from a shot at the top of the box. Completely undeserved by Paraguay who were dominated throughout. *** As far as the structure of the tournament goes, i think playing 5 games in the final round is a waste of time and redundant. They should carry the results from games involving the advancing teams from the group phase over to the final round like it's done at the World Hockey Championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Colombia 1-0 Peru Again there seemed to be a gap in athleticism between the 2 teams. Colombia scored on a FK that was poorly cleared by a Peruvian defender, the ball sliced off the side of his foot and ended up on the head of a Colombian in the box. Peru are pretty much done now with games remaining against host Venezuala and Argentina. Venezuala 0-0 Ecuador There actually were a number of dangerous chances to score for both sides, but some stellar defensive plays and bad bounces just wouldn't let anyone break the deadlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobiiiiiiiilio Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 quote:Originally posted by masster Would be nice. Rights would need to be acquired. I'm not sure at this point if CBC (who would not show live matches), Sportsnet (would probably show only Canada matches and final) or GOLTV (would show every match, most LIVE) have secured the rights for this tournament. I think it will be on...just a matter of where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Uruguay 3-2 Chile I missed the first half hour and when i tuned in it was already 2-1 Chile. I think Uruguay took Chile lightly as they'd beaten them last week in pre-tourny friendlies. A few Uruguayans who started the first game were on the bench to start today's game including Lodeiro who scored both goals against Bolivia. Uruguay came from behind with goals from Pena and Garcia to gut out a win. Brasil 2-1 Bolivia Bolivia took a surprise lead before Brasil came to their senses. Didn't see most of this game as i was watching Honduras-Belize in the UNCAF, but from the first 30 mins. or so i noticed that Brasil continue to waste alot of scoring opportunities. Walter scored again, but prior to that he missed a golden chance less than 20 mins. into the match. Tourny standings can be found here: http://www.goal.com/en/gironi.aspx?idtorneo=221 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 On Rights, there is an interesting North American angle to this tournament. SA U-20 tournament is managed and master rights are held by the Traffic Marketing Group. The Traffic Marketing Group also own USL team Miami (since 2006)and its North American offices are in Miami. GolTV is also based in Miami as is Univision (The main Spanish language rights holder to MLS). Traffic Marketing also holds rights to the Copa America and we've seen that on GolTV. I suspect the reason why the SA U-20 tournament appears on GolTV is primarily because GolTV has the rights for United States and Canada (and presents in both English and Spanish). There clearly appears to be a good working relationship between Traffic and GolTV. As for the CONCACAF U-20 tournament, I don't think Traffic has the master rights currently. It is interesting to point out that Traffic currently has the TV rights to the CONCACAF World Cup qualifying and we actually got to see Mexico - Canada from Mexico. The important question is who currently holds the master TV rights to the CONCACAF U-20 tournament? Is it a strong enough property to interest TV broadcasters? I suppose time will tell. Re: MLS. I think the cluster of Media companies that specialize in Spanish Language production in Miami is why Marcelo Claure feels he can pay the $40 million for a franchise (and I am fairly certain that Barca's primary contribution is its brand and Claure's is money). It's also why I suspect that a deal will happen along the way between Miami's potential MLS franchise and the owners of Miami's USL team. MLS will also be interested in enhancing television coverage especially within the Spanish speaking US population as well as into Mexico and Central America. I suspect Claure is envisioning an America's team phenomena (where America is hemispheric and mostly Hispanic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 On Walter, I hadn't heard much about this guy prior to the tournament. After his crazy goal against Paraguay, I checked a little bit into where he came from. He didn't play much with Internacional last year and didn't score once during the Brazilian Leagues. His playing rights weren't even Internacional property until March 2008 although he apparently did play with Internacional since 2007. His rights had previously been held by EC Sao Jose, a smaller Porto Alegre club. It's also a small insight into how the development system works in Brazil. Often times, early development occurs in small clubs that compete in state leagues against the big clubs. Big clubs then negotiate access to the stars of these smaller clubs to strengthen their rosters. Often these stars are brought in to compete in the higher level youth tournaments at the U-20 level and Copa Sao Paulo de Juniores(U18/U19). Interesting that Walter was a leading goal scorer for Internacional in last year's copa Sao Paulo de Juniores which may have been what prompted them to secure his rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Ecuador 0-0 Colombia A bit of a snorefest, not many scoring chances. I tuned out during the second half... Argentina 2-1 Peru Peru had their backs to the wall and came out hard, scoring off a FK that was part cross, part shot that was misplayed by the Argentine goalie. Argentina scrapped back for the win, not the most convincing effort though. Forgot to mention, Peru are now eliminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I missed yesterdays games, but here are the results: Chile 2-0 Bolivia Bolivia are effectively out with 3 straight losses, 1 more point from Chile and it mathematically eliminates Bolivia. Edit: Bolivia are eliminated as Chile and Paraguay play each other which guarantees one of them will finish with 4 points. Paraguay 2-4 Uruguay Uruguay are humming along now with 9 points in their 3 games. They finish off with a matchup against Brasil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Well, we have a 4-way tie at the top of Group "A" with one match to go. Argentina would likely be eliminated if they lose to Ecuador!! [:0] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 ARG has been pretty bad. I watched the ARG-Colombia match and the albicelest looked lifeless for the first 40 minutes. Somehow they managed a tie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Colombia 2-2 Argentina As mentioned by VPjr. Argentina looked lifeless coming out of the blocks. That's 3 games in a row they have fallen behind. It took the subbing in of Velazquez to jumpstart the Argies (he scored within a minute of coming in). Colombian striker Perez of Boyaca Chico fired in 2 stellar goals in the first half hour, the kid looks like a beast. Peru 1-3 Venezuala See ya later Peru, nice knowing ya. This team just did not have a clue defensively and not enough athleticism all around. Reimond Manco looks like he'll be a good player for PSV and JJ Barros was dangerous too. Ismodes was mostly invisible and Zambrano was disappointing as the Defensive general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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