Richard Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 ^ Yeah, as an ex Ontarian myself I can assure you, Ontario is NOT the centre of the universe, much as that may surprise many of my fellow Ontarians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureStarCSL Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 CSL is a good start to a national league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Richard ^ Ontario is NOT the centre of the universe, much as that may surprise many of my fellow Ontarians THOSE ARE FIGHTING WORDS RICHARD.... Merry Christmas.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureStarCSL Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Richard ^ Yeah, as an ex Ontarian myself I can assure you, Ontario is NOT the centre of the universe, much as that may surprise many of my fellow Ontarians yes those are fighting words, ONTARIO will win for sure no questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by FutureStarCSL CSL is a good start to a national league That may well come to pass but as of now it does not in any way qualify as Canada's national league and pretending so is false and misleading. Merry Christmas everybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorktonsoccer Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Ontario would win in a fight? Hmmm, would that be before or after you guys get your billions of dollars in government handouts? It would seem us Westerners need to help you guys out yet again for the mismanagement of your corporations. Oh well, we're nice guys here, we don't mind giving you some of our money. As for the CSL being the National league, I don't see what the argument is about. It isn't anywhere close to a National league. I do concede at this time is has the best potential to form some type of semblance of a National league in the far future but then saying it therefore is a National league is ridiculous. That is like me saying I'm having sex with Jessica Simpson because I'm dating her fat, buck-toothed 2nd cousin. Am I closer to having sex with Jessica Simpson because I am dating a relative than someone who isn't dating a relative and has no chance of meeting her? I don't think so. Unfortunately in reality I am no closer than anyone else because I am too damn ugly. I accept that so I think the CSL backers should accept the fact that they have a good local league and keep hoping for future developments. Maybe the CSL should try to improve by asking for government bailouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco07 Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Has the PCSL ever considered becoming a Semi-Pro league? If not, what steps would be needed for the league to change? Is it even possible for an amateur league to change status to semi-professional? I would gather you could have decent stadia and crowds in the following BC cities if the league was marketed as professional/semi-pro...average attendance of 1,500 plus good corporate sponsorships would make it viable to say the least. Nanaimo Victoria Kelowna Powell River (used to get large crowds in the seventies for local VISL soccer) Kamloops Greater Vancouver (Surrey, Abbotsford, Chilliwack, etc.) Sooke (large crowds for the Division 1 Celtic in VISL). Others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Marco07 Has the PCSL ever considered becoming a Semi-Pro league? If not, what steps would be needed for the league to change? Is it even possible for an amateur league to change status to semi-professional? I would gather you could have decent stadia and crowds in the following BC cities if the league was marketed as professional/semi-pro...average attendance of 1,500 plus good corporate sponsorships would make it viable to say the least. Nanaimo Victoria Kelowna Powell River (used to get large crowds in the seventies for local VISL soccer) Kamloops Greater Vancouver (Surrey, Abbotsford, Chilliwack, etc.) Sooke (large crowds for the Division 1 Celtic in VISL). Others? as well as campbell river,courteney/comox,richmond orient fc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Yorktonsoccer Ontario would win in a fight? Hmmm, would that be before or after you guys get your billions of dollars in government handouts? It would seem us Westerners need to help you guys out yet again for the mismanagement of your corporations. Oh well, we're nice guys here, we don't mind giving you some of our money. As for the CSL being the National league, I don't see what the argument is about. It isn't anywhere close to a National league. I do concede at this time is has the best potential to form some type of semblance of a National league in the far future but then saying it therefore is a National league is ridiculous. That is like me saying I'm having sex with Jessica Simpson because I'm dating her fat, buck-toothed 2nd cousin. Am I closer to having sex with Jessica Simpson because I am dating a relative than someone who isn't dating a relative and has no chance of meeting her? I don't think so. Unfortunately in reality I am no closer than anyone else because I am too damn ugly. I accept that so I think the CSL backers should accept the fact that they have a good local league and keep hoping for future developments. Maybe the CSL should try to improve by asking for government bailouts What we really want to know is whether her 2nd cousin goes, know what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 What about the Abbottsford/Mission area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 The Abbotsford SA has a team in the PDL. To date they have shown no interest in the PCSL but Chilliwack FC will have teams in three of the four PCSL divisions for 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco07 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 ^ Richard, I am sure you saw my post from above. Any chance you could respond to the questions I presented? Since you are involved with the PCSL, you may be the only person with knowledge to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 ^ The PCSL was a semi-pro league for years and if I had my 'druthers' it would be again but I can't discuss issues from the boardroom here, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 ^ But it's not, on the other hand the CSL it is a semi pro league so it deserves the status it has right now, because there are no other semi pro leagues in the country, till otherwise...CSL is it. Happy new year Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 The CSL may well hold itself forth as a semi-pro league but Canada's National League it most certainly is not, though as a former Ontarian myself I can understand somebody with an Ontario-centric view of Canada thinking it ought to be. And a Happy New Year to you too Eric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Eric won't have long to wait for another provincial level semi-pro league to be set up in addition to Ontario's CSL judging from this article:- http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-droit/sports/200809/23/01-22884-gatineau-alignera-une-equipe-semi-pro-de-foot.php Here's the Babelfish version for those like me who struggle a bit with French:- http://preview.tinyurl.com/7v4wzk Well into the New Year now where I am but hope you have a good one if it is imminent or just happened where you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard Eric won't have long to wait for another provincial level semi-pro league to be set up in addition to Ontario's CSL judging from this article:- http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-droit/sports/200809/23/01-22884-gatineau-alignera-une-equipe-semi-pro-de-foot.php Here's the Babelfish version for those like me who struggle a bit with French:- http://preview.tinyurl.com/7v4wzk Well into the New Year now where I am but hope you have a good one if it is imminent or just happened where you are! Great find BBTB....interesting news. I'm sure the CSL will be looking upon this with great interest. More semi-pro soccer in Canada can never be a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 It was posted on here by somebody else in the TFC subforum in a thread about Ottawa expansion so I can't claim the credit for the find. I suspect the recent shift in emphasis from Quebec to the Prairies in terms of the CSL's future expansion plans has been related to this and that most provincial soccer associations are likely to want to do their own thing if those plans ever look like coming to fruition as the soccer bureaucrats definitely know how to guard their little fiefdoms and maintain their influence. It would definitely be good to see a lot more leagues becoming officially semi-pro from coast to coast. I have always found it bizarre that Canada isn't more like Australia in that regard given the similar demographics involved. Every major Australian city has its own semi-pro setup usually based on pro/rel. In New South Wales there are even two different league setups in that regard. The Newcastle area does its own thing completely separate from Sydney. Think the CSA keeping the National Championship amateur may have been the problem in historical terms as that provided the motive to do things under the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 This is good news. There is certainly no reason why the CSL has to be the centre of any semi-pro league system in Canada. However, I would like to point out that things seem to be getting sub-divided again from the get-go. What needs to be done is that the CSA (I can dream) will actually play the role of a National Organization for once and set some damn standards for these leagues that will promote growth and national compeition at some level. I wonder what the news of the new Quebec league does to the trois rivier's plans in the future. Maybe they will stick closer to home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The CSL has twice come to BC courting the PCSL but the PCSL directors and member clubs could see no benefit whatsoever in paying the sort of money to the CSL in Toronto that the then CSL commissioner wanted. They really had very lttle if anything to offer in return for the relatively large investment expected. Co-operation with, perhaps yes, ownership by the Toronto based organisation, no, no need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact supporter Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Richard The CSL has twice come to BC courting the PCSL but the PCSL directors and member clubs could see no benefit whatsoever in paying the sort of money to the CSL in Toronto that the then CSL commissioner wanted. They really had very lttle if anything to offer in return for the relatively large investment expected. Co-operation with, perhaps yes, ownership by the Toronto based organisation, no, no need. Richard, how about this idea for a Memorial Cup-type Championship : Western Conference : PCSL vs CSL Western Division Central Conference : CSL National vs CSL International Eastern Conference : Qc Semi-Pro League vs Eastlink Premiership Host City Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Richard ^ Yeah, as an ex Ontarian myself I can assure you, Ontario is NOT the centre of the universe, much as that may surprise many of my fellow Ontarians The Centre of the Universe is just off the Pat Bay Highway between Victoria and Sidney. I go past the big sign, complete with Government of Canada Logo, all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 All kinds of options present themselves but money always remains the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 quote:Originally posted by ag futbol However, I would like to point out that things seem to be getting sub-divided again from the get-go. What needs to be done is that the CSA (I can dream) will actually play the role of a National Organization for once and set some damn standards for these leagues that will promote growth and national compeition at some level. Maybe worth bearing in mind that at the semi-pro level regular season travel is usually going to be limited to a manageable driving distance in time terms for people who are playing the game in their spare time away from a regular 9 to 5 job. In a country as vast as Canada that means it is something inherently local rather than national in scope and you don't need a lot of central organization for that from the national association because most administrative and disciplinary decisions will be best carried out by people running the leagues and soccer associations at the local level who can deal with the teams directly. Each large city and its hinterlands should be able to do their own thing for the most part in other words. What the CSA should do, in my opinion, is revamp the existing National Championship to include semi-pro teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard What the CSA should do, in my opinion, is revamp the existing National Championship to include semi-pro teams. great idea....why they don't permit it is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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