michaeltfc91 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 If someone asked you the top 4 teams in Canada, I'm sure everyone would include Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps, and Montreal Impact. Who would you put as you're 4th best team??? For me i'd pick Brampton Lions of the CSL. I've seen them play a couple times and they're a pretty good team with a couple players I know and of course the CSL MVP Daniel Nascimento. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 quote:Originally posted by michaeltfc91 If someone asked you the top 4 teams in Canada, I'm sure everyone would include Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps, and Montreal Impact. Who would you put as you're 4th best team??? For me i'd pick Brampton Lions of the CSL. I've seen them play a couple times and they're a pretty good team with a couple players I know and of course the CSL MVP Daniel Nascimento. you serious? They are not even top 4 in CSL and thats quoting one of their top players this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Good question Michaeltfc91... incredibly hard to answer... Brampton most certainly is not the 4th best team in Canada. Serbian White Eagles were good. TR Attak were quite good as well. I would have liked to see Real Toronto, with its full roster, play against SWE's full roster to see how would win in a best 2 out of 3. It is nearly impossible to know how senior teams from out west compare to teams in the East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artoo Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 I think that it would be neat to see a two game series between SWE and Victoria United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regs Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Victoria United? A better, more reasonable choice IMO, would be the Callies from Calgary who have won the National Championship the last 2 years running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 I would love to see a series of provincial/regional open cup tournaments where the best senior teams (regardless of league) square off with the ultimate goal of having 4-6 regional champions that would congregate for a Memorial Cup style tournament each year to pick a team that would fill the 4th spot in the Voyageurs Cup. it would be great to see a PDL club face an OSL club in Ontario or WOSL vs. CSL, etc.... to see which team emerges as best in Ontario. Same type of scenario in BC, Alberta, the Praries, Quebec and the Maritimes would give us 6 teams. I think that would be a lot more interesting than the annual National Championships, which really doesn't interest me nearly as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artoo Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 quote:I would love to see a series of provincial/regional open cup tournaments where the best senior teams (regardless of league) square off with the ultimate goal of having 4-6 regional champions that would congregate for a Memorial Cup style tournament each year to pick a team that would fill the 4th spot in the Voyageurs Cup. I really like this idea. I wonder if a single, well thought out, Open Cup - type tournament would not be sufficient. The CSL had their Canada Open Cup, but they canceled it in 2008. Maybe they should continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Spiers Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 In case anyone is interested, here is a proposal made in 2001 for an Open Cup involving senior amateur teams, CPSL teams and the A-League teams (at that time Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Montreal): Following is a proposed format for an Open Cup that could commence for the 2002 season. Provincial entries would be based on winners in the 2001 season. This format is based on the current structure of the game in Canada and would have to be adjusted in future years to accomodate additional non-amateur leagues across the country and additional Canadian teams in the A-League. Participants: - provincial champions as designated by each province (from previous year) (could be winners of provincial cup or winners of provincial league) - winner of Senior Mens National Amateur Championship (from previous year) - qualifying teams from non-amateur leagues (such as CPSL) - Canadian A-League teams Each team would have to confirm its entry into the Open Cup by January 31st. and pay a bond of $5,000.00. The format would be adjusted (if some teams decline to enter) - and the draw made at the following meeting of the CSA Competitions Committee. Preliminary Round (Atlantic Play-off) NB, NF, NS, PEI Open draw - first team drawn plays at home - one game only - knockout basis. Two winners (AT1 and AT2) advance to Round One Round One (Provincial Champions enter) A1 SK v. BC * A2 MB v. AB * A3 AT1 v. ON A4 AT2 v. PQ * Rather than being pre-set, AB and BC could be drawn into game A1 or A2. Round Two (Amateur Champions + top CPSL teams enter) B1 Winners of A1 v. Amateur Champions/CPSL Team B2 Winners of A2 v. Amateur Champions/CPSL Team B3 Winners of A3 v. Amateur Champions/CPSL Team B4 Winners of A4 v. Amateur Champions/CPSL Team The Amateur Champions and the top three CPSL teams will enter the draw. The CPSL teams could be based on final positions from the previous season or as designated otherwise by the CPSL. If the Amateur Champions are from the West, they will go in the hat with one of the CPSL teams and drawn to play in game B1 or B2 with one proviso - they cannot play against a team from their own province. The other CPSL teams will be drawn to play in game B3 or B4. If the Amateur Champions are from the East, they will go in the hat with one of the CPSL teams and drawn to play in game B3 or B4 with one proviso - they cannot play against a team from their own province. The other CPSL teams will be drawn to play in game B1 or B2. Round Three (A-League teams enter) C1 Winners of B1 v. A-League Team C2 Winners of B2 v. A-League Team C3 Winners of B3 v. A-League Team C4 Winners of B4 v. A-League Team Semi-Finals Winners of C1 v. Winners of C3 Winners of C2 v. Winners of C4 FINAL The winner would represent Canada in the Concacaf Club Championship. DATES Dates for each round are flexible but would have to be played by the following dates: Preliminary Round - June 15th. First Round - June 30th. Second Round - July 15th. Third Round - July 31st. Semi-Finals - August 15th. Final - Labour Day Weekend (first weekend in September) Finances Each participating team would pay an entry fee (to be determined) and a bond of $5,000.00. The draw is intentionally designed so that in Round One, the team from the larger province will travel; in Round Two, the Amateur Champions and the CPSL teams will travel; in Round Three, the A-League teams will travel. Sponsorship would be sought to cover travel and accomodation costs and to provide CTV Sportsnet coverage of at least the Semi-Finals and Final. Other Considerations Can the above format be adjusted to permit other teams - not eligible for their provincial championship - to enter the Open Cup? (e.g. teams in PDL - currently Abbotsford, Calgary Storm, Thunder Bay Chill). They have not been included at this time as Abbotsford are the reserve team for the Vancouver Whitecaps and Calgary are expected to be an A-League team next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 ^Assuming Round Three is home and away, I'd like this alot. It would be the best we can hope for in terms of a Canadian League in the near future. I would think it would really encourage some of the historic clubs: Victoria United, Toronto Croatia, & Calgary Callies to increase their own level of professionalism to make this round and get some exposure for their clubs. What happened to the proposal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Bill Spiers In case anyone is interested, here is a proposal made in 2001 for an Open Cup involving senior amateur teams, CPSL teams and the A-League teams (at that time Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Montreal): Following is a proposed format for an Open Cup that could commence for the 2002 season. Provincial entries would be based on winners in the 2001 season. This format is based on the current structure of the game in Canada and would have to be adjusted in future years to accomodate additional non-amateur leagues across the country and additional Canadian teams in the A-League. Participants: - provincial champions as designated by each province (from previous year) (could be winners of provincial cup or winners of provincial league) - winner of Senior Mens National Amateur Championship (from previous year) - qualifying teams from non-amateur leagues (such as CPSL) - Canadian A-League teams Each team would have to confirm its entry into the Open Cup by January 31st. and pay a bond of $5,000.00. The format would be adjusted (if some teams decline to enter) - and the draw made at the following meeting of the CSA Competitions Committee. Preliminary Round (Atlantic Play-off) NB, NF, NS, PEI Open draw - first team drawn plays at home - one game only - knockout basis. Two winners (AT1 and AT2) advance to Round One Round One (Provincial Champions enter) A1 SK v. BC * A2 MB v. AB * A3 AT1 v. ON A4 AT2 v. PQ * Rather than being pre-set, AB and BC could be drawn into game A1 or A2. Round Two (Amateur Champions + top CPSL teams enter) B1 Winners of A1 v. Amateur Champions/CPSL Team B2 Winners of A2 v. Amateur Champions/CPSL Team B3 Winners of A3 v. Amateur Champions/CPSL Team B4 Winners of A4 v. Amateur Champions/CPSL Team The Amateur Champions and the top three CPSL teams will enter the draw. The CPSL teams could be based on final positions from the previous season or as designated otherwise by the CPSL. If the Amateur Champions are from the West, they will go in the hat with one of the CPSL teams and drawn to play in game B1 or B2 with one proviso - they cannot play against a team from their own province. The other CPSL teams will be drawn to play in game B3 or B4. If the Amateur Champions are from the East, they will go in the hat with one of the CPSL teams and drawn to play in game B3 or B4 with one proviso - they cannot play against a team from their own province. The other CPSL teams will be drawn to play in game B1 or B2. Round Three (A-League teams enter) C1 Winners of B1 v. A-League Team C2 Winners of B2 v. A-League Team C3 Winners of B3 v. A-League Team C4 Winners of B4 v. A-League Team Semi-Finals Winners of C1 v. Winners of C3 Winners of C2 v. Winners of C4 FINAL The winner would represent Canada in the Concacaf Club Championship. DATES Dates for each round are flexible but would have to be played by the following dates: Preliminary Round - June 15th. First Round - June 30th. Second Round - July 15th. Third Round - July 31st. Semi-Finals - August 15th. Final - Labour Day Weekend (first weekend in September) Finances Each participating team would pay an entry fee (to be determined) and a bond of $5,000.00. The draw is intentionally designed so that in Round One, the team from the larger province will travel; in Round Two, the Amateur Champions and the CPSL teams will travel; in Round Three, the A-League teams will travel. Sponsorship would be sought to cover travel and accomodation costs and to provide CTV Sportsnet coverage of at least the Semi-Finals and Final. Other Considerations Can the above format be adjusted to permit other teams - not eligible for their provincial championship - to enter the Open Cup? (e.g. teams in PDL - currently Abbotsford, Calgary Storm, Thunder Bay Chill). They have not been included at this time as Abbotsford are the reserve team for the Vancouver Whitecaps and Calgary are expected to be an A-League team next year. Thanks for sharing this information Bill... I would love to know why the trigger never got pulled on this. This could have been a winner. I agree with YNWA...this is the closest we might ever get to a national league in the medium term. I still think this format can work today (with some tiny tweaking) as a qualifier for the 4th voyageurs cup slot by simply removing TFC, Impact and Whitecaps. I don't know if it would be appropriate to include any of those clubs' direct affiliates (i.e. TR Attak, The Whitecaps PDL teams, etc...) but other than that, I really think it could work and could creat the impetus for greater professionalism at the Senior level in Canada by throwing this very large carrot out there for clubs to covet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artoo Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 I agree! This is a neat proposal. So would it be up to the CSA to pick it up now? Can any other body organize this? I guess the "big three" would still need to agree to the "4th team" idea. Just trying to figure out what the next step would be.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Spiers Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone ^Assuming Round Three is home and away, I'd like this alot. It would be the best we can hope for in terms of a Canadian League in the near future. I would think it would really encourage some of the historic clubs: Victoria United, Toronto Croatia, & Calgary Callies to increase their own level of professionalism to make this round and get some exposure for their clubs. What happened to the proposal? Round Three was intended to be a single knockout game only. Part of the reason for this was to reduce travelling costs and also to avoid fixture congestion. However, it was just a proposal and could have been amended. We almost had a 'skeleton' version of an Open Cup off the ground the previous year involving Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal along with the CPSL Champions, the Toronto Olympians. Specific A-League games between Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal were going to double-up as Open Cup games which just left the games against Toronto Olympians to be arranged. There were a couple of ideas floating around for an Open Cup at the time. Unfortunately, this was also the time that the CUSL was trying to get organised. The CUSL were given permission by the CSA to try and run an Open Cup which they were going to use to showcase the CUSL before it actually kicked off and to generate some revenue. But as with the CUSL itself, it went nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trident Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 SWE or TR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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