Vic Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Akin to the players abroad, thought I would start another work-in-progress list of national women's leagues around the world: Australia - W League - http://www.w-league.com.au Denmark - 3F Ligaen - http://www.dbu.dk/sr/position.aspx?poolid=70649 England - Women's Premier League - http://www.thefa.com/Womens/PremierLeague France - Feminine Division 1 - http://www.fff.fr/compnati/femd1/index.shtml Germany - Women's Bundesliga - http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=3141 Italy - Calcio Femminile - http://www.divisionecalciofemminile.it Japan - Nadeshiko League - http://www.nadeshikoleague.jp New Zealand - National Women's League - http://www.nzsoccer.com/page/national_womens_league.htm Norway - Toppserien - http://www.kvinnefotball.no Spain - Liga Feminina - http://www.superligafemenina.net Sweden - Damallsvenskan - http://www.svenskfotboll.se/t1dam.aspx?p=152188 USA - WPS - http://www.womensprosoccer.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Are there supposed to be Canadian women playing in these leagues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachRich Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 List Vic started PLAYING Hansen, Liz - Doncaster Belles, England (Women’s Premier League) Hussey, Jessica - Mallbacken, Sweden (Division 1) Matheson, Diana - Team Strømmen, Norway (Toppserien) Ramsay, Erin - Falköpings KIK, Sweden (Division 1) Robinson, Leah - Adelaide United, Australia (W League) Solsberg, Mariel - Fortuna Hjørrings, Denmark (Elitedivisionen) Timko, Brittany - Melbourne Victory, Australia (W League) Vermeulen, Amy - Asker, Norway (Toppserien) Wilkinson, Rhian - Team Strømmen, Norway (Toppserien) DRAFTED Latham, Christine - Boston Breakers, USA (WPS) Leblanc, Karina - Los Angeles, USA (WPS) McLeod, Erin - Washington Freedom, USA (WPS) Parker, Kelly - Jersey Sky Blue, USA (WPS) Sinclair, Christine - Bay Area, USA (WPS) Tancredi, Melissa - St. Louis, USA (WPS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 No Ref, it's just for general interest. Research purposes, interest browsing, travel planning, etc. The global village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjarne Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Hey Vic--Another good one for the Danish league is www.3f.dk/fodbold. Great list though, thanks for doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 I couldn't find one, so it's helpful for me at least I've reformatted for multiple entries for a country. And it's an organic community list, so feel free at add/edit or remove dead links... anyone can edit it. --------- Australia - W League http://www.w-league.com.au Denmark - 3F Ligaen http://www.dbu.dk/sr/position.aspx?poolid=70649 http://www.3f.dk/fodbold England - Women's Premier League http://www.thefa.com/Womens/PremierLeague France - Feminine Division 1 http://www.fff.fr/compnati/femd1/index.shtml Germany - Women's Bundesliga http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=3141 Italy - Calcio Femminile http://www.divisionecalciofemminile.it Japan - Nadeshiko League http://www.nadeshikoleague.jp New Zealand - National Women's League http://www.nzsoccer.com/page/national_womens_league.htm Norway - Toppserien http://www.kvinnefotball.no Spain - Liga Feminina http://www.superligafemenina.net http://www.futfem.com http://www.lfp.es/competiciones/2008-09/otrascompeticiones/ligafemenina/main_1.asp http://www.futbolme.com/futbol/0809_fem/63/SUPERLIGA.asp Sweden - Damallsvenskan http://www.svenskfotboll.se/t1dam.aspx?p=152188 USA - WPS http://www.womensprosoccer.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 conclusion canada is the only country that dont have their own national league men or women. piggyback on other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Well, Canada has a landmass significantly larger than the USA (six primary time zones), only 10% of the population the USA has and an economy roughly equivalent to that of California. I think that may have something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leekoo Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by sj conclusion canada is the only country that dont have their own national league men or women. piggyback on other countries. not so i say ... how about the w-league great lakes division ... teams in hamilton, laval, london, quebec city, ottawa, toronto ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 Yes, that would be the Central division. Not sure if Quebec City is part of that or an Eastern one. The Western is more problematic in travel but that's where we need to spend money on someone with good creative management skills. I know VIA rail has had a in-kind relationship with the OSA for years, they would be one of the first places to negotiate travel sponsorship. Maybe the CSA gives them a great sponsorship deal in return for a few rail fares... has anyone ever been on a full train? Many of these teams already exist, so the only thing standing in the way of pulling it off are any USL contracts and the vision and management skills of the CSA (read: funding for human resources). But if you never start somewhere, the ball never gets rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjarne Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Another thing I thought of the other day was that our female soccer population in Canada matches the ENTIRE population of Iceland. Sorry, just a random thought to throw into the mix. I would love to study their development system as to how they are even remotely competitive with the rest of the world; case in point, their recent UEFA play off win that gave them a spot into the Euro 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 It is no further than about 450km from one end of Iceland to the other on the longest axis. It's more than twice that just to get from Vancouver to Calgary. Add to that the fact that soccer is a national passion in Iceland, not so in Canada.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 Australia's a pretty big place too, wonder how they pull it off. If you could swing a VIA rail co-opt sponsorship deal you could make all three divisions work (East, Central, West). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 The FFA has some bigtime sponsors paying the freight... its the Hyundai A-League and the Westfield W-League. I don't think the CSA in its current state has the balls to pull something like that off. It will take some very strong leadership and convincing arguments to attract clubs away from the well established and well known USL. They will all need to be sold heavily on the idea of a brand new domestic league. I am not aware that any of the existing Canadian W-League clubs are all that unhappy being part of the USL, probably only money would attract them away and there'd have to be plenty of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 The W League is unbalanced with some dodgy quality control. A half dozen great teams, another dozen good teams, and then you start drifting into another two dozen that are about the level you get with strong local amateur women's club teams. And what's worse, the WPS will make it a "you play where?" type league. Another good incentive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 ^ It all comes back to money and reputation though. With enough money almost anything is possible, probable is a whole different matter. The USL-1 has not become a 'you play where?' type league with the advent of MLS and neither will the W-League. Comparing the W-League with the much smaller fulltime professional WPSL is really like comparing apples with oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted December 15, 2008 Author Share Posted December 15, 2008 W and USL are apples and oranges too. Almost all W teams are lucky to get 50 fans outside of friends and family. The league survives because it's the top level in NA, and players are willing to shoulder the personal burden (i.e. cost) of playing at that level of stature. It will be interesting to see if their resolve cracks when the best players and media disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted December 15, 2008 Author Share Posted December 15, 2008 Iceland got me thinking about gene pool and results. What's quite amazing is that the Nordic countries (Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland) all perform FAR better than anyone else in the world. So the next time someone tells you we don't have a soccer climate - tell them we do. You can also see why the Americans, Brazilians, and Japanese have such strong programs. You hear about culture and money and systems, but in actuality a far superior gene pool is a massive part of it. Can you imagine if any of them were as efficient as the Nordics? Womens Rank / Population / Country 1 - 297 - USA 2 - 70 - Germany 3 - 191 - Brazil 4 - 9 - Sweden 5 - 23 - Korea DPR 6 - 5 - Norway 7 - 62 - France 8 - 5 - Denmark 9 - 127 - Japan 10 - 35 - Canada 11 - 61 - England 12 - 1394 - China PR 13 - 57 - Italy 14 - 21 - Australia 15 - 145 - Russia 16 - 47 - Ukraine 17 - 5 - Finland 18 - 0 - Iceland 19 - 40 - Spain 20 - 17 - Netherlands 21 - 10 - Czech Republic 22 - 94 - Mexico 23 - 51 - Korea Republic 24 - 4 - New Zealand 25 - 150 - Nigeria 26 - 5 - Scotland 27 - 8 - Switzerland 28 - 4 - Republic of Ireland 28 - 41 - Argentina 30 - 40 - Poland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 A longstanding soccer/football culture has plenty to do with it. In most European and south/central American countries soccer is a national passion with all other sports coming a distant second and lower. Canada may have relatively high proportion of youth participation but it is mostly casual and does not elicit anywhere near the equivalent level of passion and dedication to the game at all levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted December 15, 2008 Author Share Posted December 15, 2008 I think that's one of a few things. There are about 50 if not 100 countries in that list that have more of a footballing culture than the Nordics. They bring a lot of the other factors into play, things like women's role in society, economic wealth, political climate (i.e. national sport funding patterns), visionaries, who your neighbours are, etc. All that to say Go Greenland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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