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Well France was smoked 3-0 by the Yanks in the group stage. Can't really see the Germans coming up lame two times in a row against Asian sides. Germany USA final???

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quote:Originally posted by Vic

Hahahahaha... I just caught the Ronaldo quote. Can't stop laughing... that goes into the legend post archive.

Hard to believe it's 2008 and none of our teams have a single female coach on the staff.

Women are coming and will be our salvation.

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I'm fine for simply women assistants on the bench. I would just like to see a plan in place and some initial traction to stream our veteran women into coaching. Like everything else, you have to start somewhere.

I also pray we don't buy ourselves into any long-term coaching contract. The CSA is broke as your crazy Uncle George and I think we learned pretty well the dangers and costs to our programs associated with long-term deals when things go South and there is no escape hatch. Regardless how good we think anyone is, they're not worth betting the program on. Short-term deals. Same as for players on the roster. Perform, continue. Fail, do not pass go.

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If someone won't accept a 2yr deal, they're not the person we're looking for. Not worth the risk if things go South. That's the price and the cost of being who we are.

Coaches are the coach but they're also just another player on the "team". Women's soccer isn't like men's or hockey or football, baseball or basketball where coaches roll in the dough. It's the reverse - the players make virtually nothing. I doubt very much paying a coach a lot of money will cut it in a women's locker room here. That's part of the problem they have in Norway: you have a guy on a well-paid full salary telling people they're not sacrificing enough. That led to a third of the team quitting and split them down the middle. And those women are a Hell of a lot better paid than our women are.

The coach needs to be paid inline with the players. When we have 6-figure players we can have a well paid coach. Until then we need to do what other modest people do and focus on the right personality and fit.

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Please tell me it's not exclusive.

We market our women so badly. Look at the participation numbers. Kara Lang is a marketers gravy train. And not just for the program/teams, for the women personally. If anyone knows her, find out if she has an agent, and if she does, make sure she fires them on the spot.

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quote:Originally posted by Vic

If someone won't accept a 2yr deal, they're not the person we're looking for. Not worth the risk if things go South. That's the price and the cost of being who we are.

Coaches are the coach but they're also just another player on the "team". Women's soccer isn't like men's or hockey or football, baseball or basketball where coaches roll in the dough. It's the reverse - the players make virtually nothing. I doubt very much paying a coach a lot of money will cut it in a women's locker room here. That's part of the problem they have in Norway: you have a guy on a well-paid full salary telling people they're not sacrificing enough. That led to a third of the team quitting and split them down the middle. And those women are a Hell of a lot better paid than our women are.

The coach needs to be paid inline with the players. When we have 6-figure players we can have a well paid coach. Until then we need to do what other modest people do and focus on the right personality and fit.

You're confusing me here as our NT players don't get paid by the CSA ;)

Even the US WNT Senior players only got 5 figures this last contract. Mind you, that's before performance & appearance fees. Oh, yes the US WNT has a PA that negotiates their CBA as the players got tired of being jerked around by their NSO.

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quote:Originally posted by Vic

Please tell me it's not exclusive.

We market our women so badly. Look at the participation numbers. Kara Lang is a marketers gravy train. And not just for the program/teams, for the women personally. If anyone knows her, find out if she has an agent, and if she does, make sure she fires them on the spot.

IMG looks after things via Canada Soccer Properties/Soccer Canada Properties. They use to get a 25% cut regardless but.....

Pellerud fought w/ the CSA so sponsors who wanted to sponsor the WP should have their $ going directly to the WP.

This is why the Teck deal took over a year to get done as the CSA said into general revenues, IMG commission & etc. No guarantee the full amount gets to the WP. Teck said no way. The WP also had other sponsor $ just for the WP but they didn't wait around for the CSA to figure things out.

Above is is why the Kerfoot $ were admin'ed outside of the CSA.

Would be interesting to know if Kara can get earn $ directly or indirectly in her sport while she is attending UCLA under NCAA eligibility.

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I'm not a lawyer but it appears both accepting $$ for promoting anything commercial is a no-no, as is the agent, but promoting the national women's programs are ok:

12.1.2 Amateur Status

An individual loses amateur status and thus shall not be eligible for intercollegiate competition in a particular sport if the individual:

(g) Enters into an agreement with an agent. (Adopted: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02)

2007-25 AMATEURISM -- PROMOTIONAL ACTIVITIES -- INSTITUTIONAL, CHARITABLE, EDUCATION OR NONPROFIT PROMOTIONS -- COSPONSORSHIP AND SALE OF PHOTOGRAPHS

12.5.1.1 Institutional, Charitable, Education or Nonprofit Promotions.

A member institution or recognized entity thereof (e.g., fraternity, sorority or student government organization), a member conference or a noninstitutional charitable, educational or nonprofit agency may use a student-athlete's name, picture or appearance to support its charitable or educational activities or to support activities considered incidental to the student-athlete's participation in intercollegiate athletics, provided the following conditions are met: (Revised: 1/11/89, 1/10/91, 1/10/92).

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Also, another upside to schooling in Canada. We have no limitations whatsoever on personal promotions and endorsements. That could mean a lot of money to someone like Kara Lang over 4 years.

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quote:Originally posted by CoachRich

IMG looks after things via Canada Soccer Properties/Soccer Canada Properties. They use to get a 25% cut regardless but.....

Pellerud fought w/ the CSA so sponsors who wanted to sponsor the WP should have their $ going directly to the WP.

This is why the Teck deal took over a year to get done as the CSA said into general revenues, IMG commission & etc. No guarantee the full amount gets to the WP. Teck said no way. The WP also had other sponsor $ just for the WP but they didn't wait around for the CSA to figure things out.

Above is is why the Kerfoot $ were admin'ed outside of the CSA.

Would be interesting to know if Kara can get earn $ directly or indirectly in her sport while she is attending UCLA under NCAA eligibility.

Didn't Lang had a fashion line of sport clothing called Capleoa? What happened to that? did it fail?

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Looks like it was Amber Allen's and it's gone by the wayside. Too bad.

Seems to me the promotion conundrum needs to be resolved and quickly. Again, exactly why we need to open the coffers for a 5-star Women's Program Director. A coach is a completely different animal and ill-suited to handle issues like these.

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Just happened to be digging for something tonight and came across this:

http://www.fai.ie/pdf/FAI_WomensDevPlan.pdf

It's the Irish plan for their women's program. One part that is quite interesting is the roles they have defined. Amongst others are:

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Management, Structure & Finance</u>

4.2 Women’s Development Framework - Implementation Roles

Technical Director

Co-ordinate and oversee the implementation of the Women’s Football Development Plan. Provide quarterly reports to the FAI Management Team on the progress of the Plan.

Assistant Technical Director

Assist Technical Director in the implementation of the Plan.

Manager of Women’s Unit

Drive the implementation of the Women’s Development Plan. Provide quarterly reports to the Technical Director and FAI Management. Team on the progress of the Plan.

Women’s National Co-ordinator

Co-ordinate and oversee the implementation of the planned outcomes of the Women’s Technical Plan.

Regional/Women’s Development Officers

Implement the Plan at county level in line with agreed targets. Establish positive working relationships with all agencies and personnel in the county in line with the agreed operational structure of the FAI.

Coaches (part/full-time)

Work on the implementation of designated parts of the plan under the direction of the Regional and Women’s Development Officers. Adopt the values, philosophy and goals of the Technical Department.

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Why would a US college coach want to coach the Canadian women if he could make two or three times the salary staying at a college? These coaches get income from the summer camps they run. The base salary might be reasonable but the perks would be the attractive part of the job.

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Why would a US college coach want to coach the Canadian women if he could make two or three times the salary staying at a college? These coaches get income from the summer camps they run. The base salary might be reasonable but the perks would be the attractive part of the job.

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quote:Originally posted by terpfan68

Why would a US college coach want to coach the Canadian women if he could make two or three times the salary staying at a college? These coaches get income from the summer camps they run. The base salary might be reasonable but the perks would be the attractive part of the job.

Looks good on the resume.
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Nobody outside of NCAA women's soccer players care about the College Cup. It's the place for young coaches who can't get international jobs and old coaches put out to pasture or unwilling to pay the price of the limelight. Greg Ryan's University of Michigan women won 4 of 19 games this year. Nobody knows or cares.

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Your right of course from the international point of view but it is a big deal within the women's sports scene in the united states and sometimes it's better to be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond.

(I doubt if many people worldwide care that much about women's soccer in any case. Nothing on the BBC sports about the under 20 and under 17 WCs.)

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