loyola Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Men’s U-17 Team Friday 13 November 2008 Canada announces U-17 roster for Mexico camp Canada’s men’s U-17 team announced its roster today for the upcoming camp in Mexico. Coach Sean Fleming selected 21 players for the preparatory-match series that runs 21 November through 3 December. The 2009 CONCACAF Men’s Under-17 Championship will take place next spring in Mexico, with the schedule yet to be officially announced. This will mark the first time since 1996 that CONCACAF schedules a men’s U-17 championship, whereby in recent years the final group of teams have been split into two separate locations. Canada’s last participation in the FIFA U-17 World Cup was Ecuador 1995. Canada previously participated at Japan 1993, Scotland 1989 and Canada 1987. Over the past decade, Canada’s U-17 program has produced current national-team players such as Marcel de Jong, André Hainault, Iain Hume, Jaime Peters and Tyler Rosenlund. Canada’s U-17 team, whose title sponsor is BMO Financial Group, will feature players born 1992 or later for its road to Nigeria 2009. CANADA Derrick Bassi | D | Delta, BC | ENG / Middlesbrough FC Richard Causton | GK | Coquitlam, BC | CAN / NTC/CNE – B.C./C-B James Chalk | D | Toronto, ON | FRA / Paris Saint-Germain Kevin Cobby | M | Brampton, ON | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC Garret Cyprus | GK | Toronto, ON | CAN / Toronto FC Academy Coulton Jackson | F | Surrey, BC | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC Jason James | M | Vancouver, BC | CAN / NTC/CNE – B.C./C-B Jonathan Lao | M | Markham, ON | CAN / Toronto FC Academy Hugo Lapointe-Sénécal | D | Montréal, QC | CAN / NTC/CNE - Québec Caolan Lavery | F | Red Deer, AB | CAN / NTC/CNE - Prairies Ezequiel Lubocki | M | Winnipeg, MB | CAN / NTC/CNE – Prairies Allando Matheson | F | Toronto, ON | CAN / Toronto FC Academy Brennan McNicoll | M | Oakville, ON | CAN / Toronto FC Academy Amine Meftouh | D | Montréal, QC | CAN / NTC/CNE – Québec Jordan Ongaro | F | Edmonton, AB | CAN / NTC/CNE - Prairies Karl Ouimette | D | Terrebonne, QC | CAN / NTC/CNE – Québec Dominic Provost | GK | Laval, QC | CAN / NTC/CNE – Québec Zachary Shaffelburg | M | Port Williams, NS | USA / Columbus Crew Academy Marco South | D | Padova, Italia | ITA / Calcio Padova Abdoulaye Sylla | F | Pierrefonds, QC | FRA / FC Metz Russell Teibert | M | Niagara Falls, ON | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC Head Coach / Entraîneur-chef : Sean Fleming Assistant Coach / Entraîneur adjoint : Michael Findlay Assistant Coach / Entraîneur adjoint : Patrick Tobo Goalkeeper coach / Entraîneur des gardiens : Kevin Muldoon Athletic Therapist / Thérapeute athlétique : Dwayne Laing IT Specialist / Spécialiste de la technologie d’information : Rob Gale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I thought that the youth academies would form the corner stone of youth teams and that that was the only way to move ahead as soccer nation. Since this is the area that distinguishes canada from the rest of the world, in a negative way of course. So now that we have club pro youth academies with TFC and Whitecaps, I thought that that would form the core and building blocks of such teams as the U17 and U20's. But as we see, only seven players, by my count, from the pro academies make up the squad. I was expecting much more to be honnest. Not much of a hint here of major progress. We seem still to be relying on the "State" ( ie.; CSA - NTC's ) and players in Europe whom I wouldnt be surprised if the coachs have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 Well FK, give it some time. We have only 2 such academies and 4 players are already playing abroad. You also have to consider the players from Quebec who might have some reluctance to join academies in english speaking provinces. Give it some time, 7 is not a bad number. Here's some infos about the kid with Paris St-Germain, James Chalk. He's been with them since 2007 and is palying with the diffrent youth teams. Here's some a poster commenting on him: http://forum.planetepsg.com/lofiversion/index.php?t2942.html "Il est pas mal, c' est un défenseur solide, intelligent avec un mental de guerrier, je me souviens d' un match où il s était pris une grosse semelle, il n' arrivait presque plus à marcher mais si son coach ne l' avait pas contraint à sortir du terrain, il aurait continué à jouer. Je trouve qu' il a en plus beaucoup progressé depuis son arrivé. " Apparently he's not bad, solid and smart defender. Progressing well since his arrival with the club. A warrior mentality and the poster goes on to tell us a story about him almost not being able to walk after a hard tackle but trying to convince his coach that he needed to stay on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.T. Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Our Academy system is still too tied-in to our NTC system for my liking. I know that TFC simply plucked the Ontario NTC squad for its roster, I'm not sure about the Whitecaps/BCSA relationship. I doubt the coaching staff has looked at many players that don't have at least some NTC history... and while I'd conceed that a good bulk of our top talent would be part of this pool, I personally believe that a significant number of equally deserving players can't even get a look because our identification system is a closed one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I'm disappointed that Andrew Kliment did not get selected. He's playing U18 in Czech Republic. Very talented player. EDIT: Andrew might be too old for this team....he's a 1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by L.T. I doubt the coaching staff has looked at many players that don't have at least some NTC history... and while I'd conceed that a good bulk of our top talent would be part of this pool, I personally believe that a significant number of equally deserving players can't even get a look because our identification system is a closed one... After some conversations I've had with coaches, parents and players, there is no doubt that there is a lot of truth in the statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Free kick I thought that the youth academies would form the corner stone of youth teams and that that was the only way to move ahead as soccer nation. Since this is the area that distinguishes canada from the rest of the world, in a negative way of course. So now that we have club pro youth academies with TFC and Whitecaps, I thought that that would form the core and building blocks of such teams as the U17 and U20's. But as we see, only seven players, by my count, from the pro academies make up the squad. I was expecting much more to be honnest. Not much of a hint here of major progress. We seem still to be relying on the "State" ( ie.; CSA - NTC's ) and players in Europe whom I wouldnt be surprised if the coachs have ever seen. Well they are only TWO (2) players with the Whitecaps residency born in 92 or later. Both were called up. Sheeesh. Note: Coulton Jackson isn't yet listed at the Whitecaps site but all other players (aside from Cobby and Teibert are born in 91 or older). And note that Cobby and Teibert were with TFC before getting smart and moving out to work under Thomas' Niendorf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by VPjr After some conversations I've had with coaches, parents and players, there is no doubt that there is a lot of truth in the statement. Absolutely true. More reason for the NTC's and provincial TC's to keep out of the development game. Leave it to the pro's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by L.T. I doubt the coaching staff has looked at many players that don't have at least some NTC history... and while I'd conceed that a good bulk of our top talent would be part of this pool, I personally believe that a significant number of equally deserving players can't even get a look because our identification system is a closed one... Thats what I fear. We need to Trust the private sector to handle the development. Provided of course that it is development entities of certain standard and with long term aims towards player development. I hope its not a case of the CSA not being able to let go. Or the CSA just ignoring the clubs. But it just just seem to me that this U17 team would have been a good opportunity to experiment and take a leap of faith. There would have been a great deal of familarity amongst the players in the youth academy and that would have been a big advantage in international play. So what if you miss some kid in europe, as long as you have a consistent approach and standard as to who should qualify for such team, then you are already ahead of game because you have now set direction and stated your intentions to the players who have high hopes to advance in the game. And that msg is, you need to get into the clubs where you will get the pro coaching and pro environment. Besides, its not like there aren't players who have been cut and when on to great careers. So why, not stack the the team with White cap players and the TFC players who had great tournamnet in Colorado. The irony is that a similar aged group from TFC did extremely well at an big tournament this summer, barely missing the finals. Wouldn't it be ironic, if the CSA selected team doesn't even come cliose to that kind of achievement in Concacaf qualifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by L.T. Our Academy system is still too tied-in to our NTC system for my liking. I know that TFC simply plucked the Ontario NTC squad for its roster, I'm not sure about the Whitecaps/BCSA relationship. I doubt the coaching staff has looked at many players that don't have at least some NTC history... and while I'd conceed that a good bulk of our top talent would be part of this pool, I personally believe that a significant number of equally deserving players can't even get a look because our identification system is a closed one... TN brought in a bunch of players from Alberta. I am sure he would not take any player based purely on recommendations from provincial association asshats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Sorted by position: Garret Cyprus | GK | Toronto, ON | CAN / Toronto FC Academy Dominic Provost | GK | Laval, QC | CAN / NTC/CNE – Québec Richard Causton | GK | Coquitlam, BC | CAN / NTC/CNE – B.C./C-B Derrick Bassi | D | Delta, BC | ENG / Middlesbrough FC James Chalk | D | Toronto, ON | FRA / Paris Saint-Germain Marco South | D | Padova, Italia | ITA / Calcio Padova Karl Ouimette | D | Terrebonne, QC | CAN / NTC/CNE – Québec Amine Meftouh | D | Montréal, QC | CAN / NTC/CNE – Québec Hugo Lapointe-Sénécal | D | Montréal, QC | CAN / NTC/CNE - Québec Kevin Cobby | M | Brampton, ON | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC Brennan McNicoll | M | Oakville, ON | CAN / Toronto FC Academy Ezequiel Lubocki | M | Winnipeg, MB | CAN / NTC/CNE – Prairies Jason James | M | Vancouver, BC | CAN / NTC/CNE – B.C./C-B Jonathan Lao | M | Markham, ON | CAN / Toronto FC Academy Zachary Shaffelburg | M | Port Williams, NS | USA / Columbus Crew Academy Russell Teibert | M | Niagara Falls, ON | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC Caolan Lavery | F | Red Deer, AB | ENG / Ipswich Town Allando Matheson | F | Toronto, ON | CAN / Toronto FC Academy Jordan Ongaro | F | Edmonton, AB | CAN / NTC/CNE - Prairies Coulton Jackson | F | Surrey, BC | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC Abdoulaye Sylla | F | Pierrefonds, QC | FRA / FC Metz The TFCA U16 goalie and 2 from NTC's. 3 Defenders playing Europe and 3 from Quebec NTC. Most of the mids are in Academy programs, and only 1 of the 5 forwards is from an NTC. If you want to break it down further, the goalie from BC NTC is not on the Residency squad because Julien L-L who's a year older than him was signed. The Quebec kids don't have an Academy within 500km from them so we can't blame them for not being on one. The 2 prairie kids are from Winnipeg and Edmonton, and if they're good enough the Caps will get them next summer when they sign their new 2-year cycle. In regards to that TFCA U16 team that did well at the SUM Cup; there are 4 midfielders from that team on this one. Also, 1 forward and 1 goalie. The only position missing is a defender, and it's possible the Quebec and Euro kids are really good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Interesting that Ethan Gage wasn't called for either the U17 (I guess he is too old) or U20 squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by jonovision Interesting that Ethan Gage wasn't called for either the U17 (I guess he is too old) or U20 squad. You could have an answer for that one tomorrow when the MNT roster is announce...maybe I'm dreaming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by VPjr After some conversations I've had with coaches, parents and players, there is no doubt that there is a lot of truth in the statement. Not that I don't believe you guys, but do you have a few names of players who aren't there? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 An article taht gives a profile of Ongaro (from 2007) http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Soccer/Canada/2007/04/26/4131614-sun.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 The Quebec kids don't have an Academy within 500km from them so we can't blame them for not being on one. Thanks, I was going to make that point too. While it's nice to have the two academies, we need one pronto in Montreal. What we are seeing an improvement but with just two academies and with some kids always in Europe (and some at clubs that are simply too ignore) its still going to be a while before 95% of the kids on an U17 training camp are going to be from Canadian pro club academies. I'm wondering if the inclusion of Sylla on the roster means that his situation has been sorted out. There was some talk before that he would have to give up his Canadian citizenship to play for his club but I'm guessing that didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by loyola Assistant Coach / Entraîneur adjoint : Michael Findlay Assistant Coach / Entraîneur adjoint : Patrick Tobo Anyone know who these two are? and quote: IT Specialist / Spécialiste de la technologie d’information : Rob Gale That's a new one on me. Are they going to start streaming matches on the CSA site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 Tobo is in the OSA coaching staff and was assistant coach for some of our National youth teams at some point. He was part of the Francophone games staff in Africa a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by loyola You could have an answer for that one tomorrow when the MNT roster is announce...maybe I'm dreaming... That better be the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Spiers Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Free kick I thought that the youth academies would form the corner stone of youth teams and that that was the only way to move ahead as soccer nation. Since this is the area that distinguishes canada from the rest of the world, in a negative way of course. So now that we have club pro youth academies with TFC and Whitecaps, I thought that that would form the core and building blocks of such teams as the U17 and U20's. But as we see, only seven players, by my count, from the pro academies make up the squad. I was expecting much more to be honnest. Not much of a hint here of major progress. We seem still to be relying on the "State" ( ie.; CSA - NTC's ) and players in Europe whom I wouldnt be surprised if the coachs have ever seen. Not sure what progress you were expecting so quickly. As it is, of the seven players from pro academies, six are from the TFC Academy (two subsequently moved to the Whitecaps) and all of those six are from the Ontario Provincial Programme. Since the TFC Academy has only had these players since May, most of the credit for their development has to go to their clubs and, for two or three years, to the provincial programme. (Incidentally, Patrick Tobo - named as an Assistant Coach to the U-17s for this camp - coached this group of players with the Ontario Provincial Programme). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I heard talk that Tobo was a former Cameroun international. Can anyone in Ont. verify that? cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by loyola You could have an answer for that one tomorrow when the MNT roster is announce...maybe I'm dreaming... No you are not dreaming. He played full 90 minute games against full grown, experienced, pros and did NOT look out of place at all. While I would like to see him at this level maybe the MNT is where he wants to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Spiers Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by matthew I heard talk that Tobo was a former Cameroun international. Can anyone in Ont. verify that? cheers, matthew From a 2003 OSA newsletter announcing the appointment of regional coaches: Originally from Cameroon, Patrick Tobo has been involved with in soccer at an elite level as both as a coach and player. While participating in Cameroon’s Under 19 and World Cup Programs, Patrick was able to obtain a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Yaounde, Cameroon. Patrick came to Canada in 1992 and was a CNSL all-star with both the Toronto Astros and Toronto Italia. Patrick obtained his Canadian ‘B’ Licence in 2003 and was an assistant coach with the Ontario Soccer Association's U14 Boys team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by tmcmurph No you are not dreaming. He played full 90 minute games against full grown, experienced, pros and did NOT look out of place at all. While I would like to see him at this level maybe the MNT is where he wants to be. As a 17 year old let me say, there is no way in hell I would go to the U20 camp ahead of the MNT camp even if the men's team is eliminated from WCQ. To go from Whitecaps Residency to MNT in one year would be unreal and to earn his first cap at 17 as well as play with a good team of pros despite missing a ton of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.T. Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by loyola Not that I don't believe you guys, but do you have a few names of players who aren't there? Thanks. I'll start by saying I'm not one of those guys that thinks there is a secret team of unselected players at every level that can beat those in various national teams. I'm speaking strictly in percentages and when I see that virtually the entire domestic contingent is NTC-based (remember, the TFC academy players all came from the Ontario NTC & provincial programs), I think the system may be overlooking players. As for names, well an Ontario Academy (ANB) went to France last year and had 2 92's invited back (Damir Rosic and another I am not at liberty to name). Damir was actually signed to a youth contract with LeHavre which has been tied up in immigration issues. Contrast that with the fact that Mr. Tobo brought his provincial team on the same trip a few months later and NO players received any follow up interest. (confirmed by one of the Staff coaches at Le Havre) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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