nafnikufesin Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 It's easy for us to comment about ref bias after a game. However, if the refs are truly biased, we should be able to make some predictions: Assuming that CONCACAF wants Mexico in the hex, (and I'm making that assumption since it seems a new FIFA rule is that it is illegal to hit somebody's elbow with your face), then we should see the following: The refs should actually rule in favor of Canada (for a change) against Jamaica, while ruling against Honduras when they play Mexico. Am I being cynical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 ^ I don't know how long you've been watching Canada in CONCACAF, but this was nothing compared to some WCQ campaigns! That face to elbow call was ridiculous and cost us a goal, the more I see it, the more I"m thinking Red card to the cheating Mexican! Also in Montreal on the play where Rads got hurt there were TWO good penalty claims, as well as a phantom off side call against us! We got off lucky this round, the officials for the most part go out of hteir way to screw us, we're looked upon as a 3rd world soccer nation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort York Redcoat1555362293 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Lets not give the refs too much credit. I thought they were just poor not crooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTL_4_LIFE Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Every ref is against Canada. Everyone remember the Gold Cup Semi-final game, CANADA vs USA. What kind of refereeing was that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveBeau Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 quote:Originally posted by MTL_4_LIFE Every ref is against Canada. Everyone remember the Gold Cup Semi-final game, CANADA vs USA. What kind of refereeing was that. You had to open up old wounds..[V] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 have any of you guys read the Declan Hill book "The Fix". I just finished it last night. After reading it, it makes it hard to look at suspicious calls in important games without thinking that maybe someone was pulling strings. I don't think the elbow to the face vs. Mexico is a case of corruption...that was simple incompetance IMO But the more I think of Atiba's offside call against the US in the last GC, the more I suspicious I get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Fast forward to 7:30. Look at the position of the linesman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/sports/soccer/12score.html?ref=soccer Besides interesting statistics: "In the presence of these paradoxes, other processes are at work. Last year, a team of researchers led by Peter Dawson of the University of Bath published a study on refereeing. They concluded that referees in the Premier League awarded significantly more yellow and red cards to visiting players than to members of the home team. This result confirmed an earlier psychological study conducted by scientists at the University of Wolverhampton and Liverpool John Moores University, who found that referees were influenced by crowd noise when calling fouls. Referees watching taped matches made fewer calls against the home team, and more against the visitors, when the sound was turned on. But more experienced referees were less likely to favor the home team." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Honduras dissalowed goal in Honduras wasn't offside (very very close but the players were even). Ali Gerba handled the ball on his goal in Edmonton. 2004, the game in Edmonton ws probably fixed. This year, I don't think we can complain too much about this aspect. Look Honduras and Mexico were victims of early bad calls against us but they fought back and got the result they needed (well, maybe not in the case of Mexico...). That's the problem I have with all this complaining, of course we might have deserved a PK in MTL but we aren't the first team ever to be wrongly denied one....so suck it and fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 quote:Originally posted by loyola [br That's the problem I have with all this complaining, of course we might have deserved a PK in MTL but we aren't the first team ever to be wrongly denied one....so suck it and fight back. Agree 100% - we have been screwed countless times by poor decisions and refs, but the same goes for everyone. Because we are in CONCACAF and not one of the big teams (Mexico and USA) we have been hurt more times than other teams, but I think we've complained much more than other teams. A good team should as loyola says "suck it and fight back" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 In this campaign I think its just that the officials are more crap than bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 quote:Originally posted by piltdownman In this campaign I think its just that the officials are more crap than bent. The only good ref we had was the Trinidad guy we had in Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 quote:Originally posted by leafdolfan The only good ref we had was the Trinidad guy we had in Mexico. The American guy in Honduras was good as well and I thought that despite the DeJong call, the ref from Surinam had a good game on Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort York Redcoat1555362293 Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Canada 2, Mexico 1, Surinam 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbrad Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 The ref f'ed up the DeJong call but was otherwise good. The linesman was brutal in the first half as we had a good view from the V's section. He was behind the play half the time. Overall best refereeing I've seen (in this round) for Concacaf qualifying. That, however, is a sad testament to Concacaf refereeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Fort York Redcoat Canada 1, Mexico 1, Surinam 2. I fixed your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Actually the best CONCACAF ref'ing seems to be in the Impact games. They have actually been very good. The WCQ will always have bad calls but over all I think they are getting better. God knows they would have to struggle mightily to get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Do the refs really need to screw Jamaica and Honduras? No, Mexico will squeak in even though they play like crap and Canada plays like crap. I don't see Mexico losing by 3 goals and Jamaica winning by 4. The CONCACAF won't try to screw Jamaica because they don't need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTL_4_LIFE Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 quote:Originally posted by SteveBeau You had to open up old wounds..[V] It hurt just saying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Even with a good ref there will always be some poor calls like the one on DeJong. In CONCACAF I am pretty happy even if we get an incompetent ref but he is equally bad for both sides. In this round though, the only ref that seemed biased to me was the one for the Honduras game in Montreal. I also think that there is something behind the fact that when we play Honduras we always seem to get a very bad/biased ref. However, this is CONCACAF and I think we have to be pretty happy with the reffing we have got so far all things considered. Reffing was not the reason we didn't qualify. No ref cost us a game this round. I would take this level of reffing for the next WCQ if given a choice between it or taking our chances. The Champions League games have had good reffing so far. I would not be surprised in future years as the tournament grows in prestige and financial terms if the level of reffing gets worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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