Javier Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 follow the irish example, now Ireland will get to the next WC. because they did the correct things , the only way sometimes is make noise , and get angry, is the only way to get a real professional solution. imagine what would have happened in a differente country, with the good players that canada has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack Pretty bold of you to state that Ireland are guaranteed to make it to the World Cup. Ireland aren't guaranteed a spot in the World Cup. They have to contend with the world champions and a resurgent Bulgaria in their group. They'll be lucky to make the playoffs as the 2nd place team in their group. The Irish look organized under Traps and have only two starters who is not either an EPL starter or Celtic starter. Compared to Bulgaria Ireland should finish second behind Italy on paper. Anyway that's not the point of his very valid post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Ya, but 2nd doesn't get you to the World Cup.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack Ya, but 2nd doesn't get you to the World Cup.... They make it sometimes and may likely again, with a population of 4 million, compared with our sick system. Good enough for ya? [8D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squid2 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Bobby McMahon chimes in via his blog http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/BobbyMcMahon "Best forgotten….. Another Canadian World Cup qualifying failure and there is more than enough blame to go around. Most of it is following on the shoulders of Coach Dale Mitchell. The merits … or not … of Mitchell are being debated by Canadian supporters and in the last few days some high profile players have shown little hesitation to stick the boot in. Coaches are paid to bring success and for that reason alone Mitchell will be fired although it is difficult to see who in their right mind would now take on the job. Underlying another qualifying failure is the Canadian Soccer Association – an organization that has been inadequately led at the board and staff level for as long as most Canadian fans can remember. The dysfunctional leadership has shown itself to be totally incapable of making the changes that are needed to bring the governance of the association into line with the needs of the last century let alone this one. A volunteer board of directors that in most countries would not be allowed to control a Sunday morning pub team appoints senior staff including the national team coach. A governance and performance study done a few years back by external consultants has been largely ignored which only goes to prove the old adage that the people that get you into problems are never the ones equipped to get you out. You can blame the players, you can blame the coach but if you do the real villains in blazers are going to get away scot-free once again. In this case this is something that should not be forgotten." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Keano They make it sometimes and may likely again, with a population of 4 million, compared with our sick system. Good enough for ya? [8D] Hey, I would be all for Canada hiring a boring, old school, Italian catenaccio style coach. I don't think many other fans would agree with me on that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Ireland still is quite impressive when you think about it. Someone already mentioned the small population and also the fact that collectlively they only only two starters who is not either an EPL starter or Celtic starter. Thats, in itself, puts them ahead of Canada's MNT. Add to that, their domestic clubs are basically unheard of in european play and the fact that, like Canada, soccer is not the the country's most popular sport in regards to following. The only advantage that I can think of is that, because of geography, their players are in a position of greater visibility and have greater access to opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Their players also have EU passports which is a great advantage to getting access to leagues like the EPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadasBest Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 quote:old adage that the people that get you into problems are never the ones equipped to get you out. So true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis_Rancagua Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Don't worry guys, I've already done my part. I took a dump at the door steps of the CSA head office in Ottawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Most Scottish Man in Cdn. Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Football isn't the only game in town in Ireland but I don't think you could argue that it is any less popular than gaelic games (gaelic football and hurling) or rugby union. So if it isn't the clear favourite amongst the Irish it certainly is on an equal footing with with GAA and rugby. Also the GAA is amateur (literally) and rugby union was until 10-15 years ago so working class kids who wanted to get rich in sports really have only ever had football until very recently (when rugby became professional) meaning many of the best athletes went straight to football, unlike here where hockey, cdn. football and baseball were more likely destinations for aspiring athletes. Finally, for generations Ireland has been inundated with mainland British media (and until the early 20s was literally part of Britain) and coverage of the British leagues and also for generations Irish players have been scouted and found homes at English and Scottish football clubs. All of which is to say in Ireland if the FAI screws up, Dublin cab drivers will get pissed off and rant and rave and it will be worthy of comment in the papers and Eamonn Dunphy will weigh in on TV/radio. Here? Not quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 FROM irish friend that i have, football (soccer) is the most popular sport in Ireland, and the national team is the people`s team, beacause the domestic league is not strong. remember that roy keane wanted to win the world cup in 2002, before he got removed., and the irish they have some pride and talent 1990 they played hard game and almost got italy out of world cup, only for 2 goals disallwed for offsides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Javier FROM irish friend that i have, football (soccer) is the most popular sport in Ireland, and the national team is the people`s team, beacause the domestic league is not strong. remember that roy keane wanted to win the world cup in 2002, before he got removed., and the irish they have some pride and talent 1990 they played hard game and almost got italy out of world cup, only for 2 goals disallwed for offsides Keane removed himself, in protest, which was, classy or not, part of the same ass-kicking demanding style that Javier is saying we might learn something from. Meant a little more coming from him in a WC finals than from Brennan) As some have mentioned, Ireland has a few advantages: geographically postioned to attract English scouting, inundation with British media, always 2 or 3 English or Glasgow-born and raised NT starters of Irish parentage. (See Finnan, Steve and McGeady, Aidan). However I stll think that with their tiny population and the fact that football is at best equal in popularity with the GAA sports, they can be looked at as something of a example for Canadian football. It starts with one thing: BURNING STUFF DOWN (or more Canadian, legal equivalent) [8D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Most Scottish Man in Cdn. Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 ^ Writing a letter to an MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Luis_Rancagua Don't worry guys, I've already done my part. I took a dump at the door steps of the CSA head office in Ottawa. and you took pictures of your deposition I hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sébastien Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Keano However I stll think that with their tiny population and the fact that football is at best equal in popularity with the GAA sports, they can be looked at as something of a example for Canadian football. It starts with one thing: BURNING STUFF DOWN (or more Canadian, legal equivalent) [8D] Are you crazy? Burning stuff is the perfect Canadian example! Ever heard what kept happening to our Parliaments? lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Sébastien Are you crazy? Burning stuff is the perfect Canadian example! Ever heard what kept happening to our Parliaments? lol! Well true, burning stuff HAS always been intimately connected to the Montreal Canadiens and we all know about that success rate and high expectations...........[] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massimo Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Luis_Rancagua Don't worry guys, I've already done my part. I took a dump at the door steps of the CSA head office in Ottawa. We should all go dump on their useless doorstep!!! God help us please!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Apparently the Senegalese fans attempted to burn their soccer federation building when they were eliminated for WCQ. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP4p3VR2HuY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the biologist Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Don't know if it's the right thing to do after seeing this ! In fact, they didn't limit themselves to the HQ ! Crazy Senegalese... [] But nonetheless, they tried something, compared to us in Canada [:I] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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