JB_Tito Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Knight: Time to abolish the CSA With a stern 3-1 dismissal in Honduras last night, the Canadian World Cup dream has been expunged. We have about 44 months until it comes up again. There is a lot of work to do. Read more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachRich Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Great for Ben say "As many players as possible need to light up the sky with their anger and frustration – now." Only problem is it has to be all the MP & WP to be successful to gather legs. Ideally if the player reps for each program polled their players than the MP & WP reps went live in the media to say we've had enough & no one is going to play for the CSA unitl it's changed for the good of the members. I'm sure lights will go on everywhere & those that pay $ to the PSO will say hold on a second. I know in my little world out here in BC that the extra $4 ain't going to fly. At the League level it's not being received too well as folks want to know where the $'s go in the PSO & CSA. This is especially true as the Pro clubs take over the development that was once the domain of the PSO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerNewf Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 It was time to abolish the CSA 4 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnie Monster Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Lenarduzzi made a comment in the press the other day that if the CSA doesn't see a value in working with TFC, Impact and Whitecaps to advance our national program goals, then "they must have their heads up their asses, and you can quote me on that." No kidding, that's what was quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 In some other countries, Mexico for example, it is the club presidents of each team in the domestic league who form the 'board' of the FA. They are the ones who hire and fire the NT coach. I would rather trust Lenarduzzi, Saputo and Paul Beirne and a player rep to find a proper coach than anyone currently involved with the CSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by BrennanFan In some other countries, Mexico for example, it is the club presidents of each team in the domestic league who form the 'board' of the FA. They are the ones who hire and fire the NT coach. I would rather trust Lenarduzzi, Saputo and Paul Beirne and a player rep to find a proper coach than anyone currently involved with the CSA. I don't know whether it is true or not but many people claim Lenarduzzi had a lot of say in the hiring of Mitchell. Regardless, I think the stronger our professional clubs are the more demand there will be for the national team to be run properly and the harder it will be for the CSA to operate in the amateur manner they have operated so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachRich Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly I don't know whether it is true or not but many people claim Lenarduzzi had a lot of say in the hiring of Mitchell. Regardless, I think the stronger our professional clubs are the more demand there will be for the national team to be run properly and the harder it will be for the CSA to operate in the amateur manner they have operated so far. If the Pro Clubs get more say the PSO's are going to have to turn their development over to them. PSO's that don't have a Pro club in their Province are going to have to accept that players will need to move to where the Pro clubs are. Players moving to where the Pro clubs are wasn't too well received by a lot of people when Kerfoot funded the WNT & the residency in YVR. Also, w/ the CSA turning down the latest 4 year proposal for the WP by an interested group which one would have to think is attached to a club, it doesn't look like the CSA is ready to go that route again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Johnnie Monster Lenarduzzi made a comment in the press the other day that if the CSA doesn't see a value in working with TFC, Impact and Whitecaps to advance our national program goals, then "they must have their heads up their asses, and you can quote me on that." No kidding, that's what was quoted. As Grizzly touched on above, isn't Lenarduzzi part of the BC lobby that led to the Simoes fiasco, which led to the Nykamp fiasco, which led to the Mitchell hiring? Or am I getting my facts and chronology wrong here? If Lenarduzzi helped Mitchell get his job he really should STFU at this point. As far as I'm concerned he's just pandering to the media with comments like that. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the reasons Mitchell remained after the game in Mexico is the fact that the CSA doesn't want to pay both Nykamp and Mitchell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by CoachRich If the Pro Clubs get more say the PSO's are going to have to turn their development over to them. PSO's that don't have a Pro club in their Province are going to have to accept that players will need to move to where the Pro clubs are. Players moving to where the Pro clubs are wasn't too well received by a lot of people when Kerfoot funded the WNT & the residency in YVR. Also, w/ the CSA turning down the latest 4 year proposal for the WP by an interested group which one would have to think is attached to a club, it doesn't look like the CSA is ready to go that route again. The problem with the women's team was not that players were moving to pro clubs from provinces where there were not any pro clubs but that players were forced to move from other equally good pro clubs to one particular pro club. The movement was mandatory and a player making a decent living at one club could not opt out without losing her national team place and funding. This would be similar to us forcing all of our U20 team members to move to the Whitecaps residency program which would be unfair. If these members are given a choice of whether to move to one of the three Canadian team programs or a European one there will not be a big problem. If the relatively young academies of the three pro-teams start showing players that they are a step up from where they are currently playing, there will be a lot of movement towards them whether the provincial associations like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by BrennanFan In some other countries, Mexico for example, it is the club presidents of each team in the domestic league who form the 'board' of the FA. They are the ones who hire and fire the NT coach. That's the way it should be. Any kind of reform that that would lead to the kind of structure that you are alluding would be, I am certain, welcomed by everyone here. In addition to having a board consisting of representation from the major clubs, you could add the some regional representation ( But not every single province), some former players, some heads of pro and semi pro leagues, some gender diversity etc. This would ensure that the CSA is finally structured with an aim of promoting the growth and improving the quality of soccer players produced and by extension improving our international standing. Rather than one who just collects $$$ from amateur outfits who have no interested in producing and developing talent and pandering to their needs which mostly involves running a day care. Any kind of reform is done for the selfish benefit and self interest of grass root amateur groups, serves no damn good. Many here are not interested in reform that merely takes money from one pocket and puts it into another. Or any kind of reform that driven by financial interests. This is what appeared to be the case with that CCF or CSF ( cant remember the name)whereby after reading endless paragraphs of vague general statements containing nothing concrete all that one could retain from the whole position was that they wanted to do was save money by not paying the CSA registration fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 quote:Lenarduzzi made a comment in the press the other day that if the CSA doesn't see a value in working with TFC, Impact and Whitecaps to advance our national program goals, then "they must have their heads up their asses, and you can quote me on that." Nice. I don't think the CSA minds working with anyone, they just have a problem working with egotistical arrogant people without a grasp of the words ethics and integrity. "If a chairman sacks a manager that he initially appointed, then he should go as well." - Brian Clough Whoever had anything to do with hiring Mitchell needs to wrap their head around that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachRich Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly The problem with the women's team was not that players were moving to pro clubs from provinces where there were not any pro clubs but that players were forced to move from other equally good pro clubs to one particular pro club. The movement was mandatory and a player making a decent living at one club could not opt out without losing her national team place and funding. This would be similar to us forcing all of our U20 team members to move to the Whitecaps residency program which would be unfair. If these members are given a choice of whether to move to one of the three Canadian team programs or a European one there will not be a big problem. If the relatively young academies of the three pro-teams start showing players that they are a step up from where they are currently playing, there will be a lot of movement towards them whether the provincial associations like it or not. Going into a National Team program usually has some mandatory components & they are usually centered in one location. I don't think too many of the WNT players where making $ at those clubs but they were at the WNT Residency. The USA residency program gives the players about 2x as much as this one & it's been a success for many years. The choice you talk about doesn't exist for the women in Canada. Presently the Canadian Pro system can't develop the players like Euro & NCAA do. #1 there isn't the $ or development or an education for the players. Maybe the WPS will help change things. It's too early in Canada for development & the Pro pathways for the players to be expected to show up for a WP team just before a international game/tournament & be expected to do well. Even the players know that & that's why the Seniors put life on hold. Also, how the Euro system doesn't work for Canada can be seen w/ the MNT where they have no time, money & etc to do the job. The U20 team is already in YVR & will be going from Oct 15th until they leave w/ a 1 wk break. Only diff w/ a residency would be they would be getting paid more & have more time together. Until we have more of a Euro system residency is probably the best. The USA has proven that it works. There is big disappointment in the WP ranks w/ the CSA turning down the $2.5M 4 year program regardless of which group who made the offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Rich, you're lobbying without giving the full picture: - the USA were 1999 Women's World Cup champions before going into residency after WUSA and have not won since. - the Germans have been defending Women's World Cup champions for the past 5 years and have never done a residency. - after residency was implemented here our performance went backwards. - we had some freaky stuff going on in our women's 2 year residency, as you would expect locking women in a Big Brother condo away from their partners, families and support systems for that long. - the Aussies proved you don't need a residence to have a kickass program. They got rid of their residency and went to a camp format and have excelled since. And more importantly, no one in this country can buy a Canadian national team, put their logo on it, and call it their own. NO ONE. We already have too much corporate bias on the women's side that we have to clean out. Every athlete deserves a free and fair opportunity to play on a national team, free to have and live an independent life, and more importantly free of all corporate interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 p.s. if women want to be World class professional soccer players, then they need to pay the price like our men do (who don't have domestic options as well), and get their keisters on a plane and go find a pro league. And if you don't, and you're not willing to go get it, and pay the price to be the best you can be, then don't whine about not having anything given to you. And if our girls and young women think that's too hard to do, then I suggest they read those articles last year about the 30yr old Mother packing up her child to go play hockey in Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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