Bill Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Can winning the Championship help our chances of securing the MLS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the biologist Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Bill Can winning the Championship help our chances of securing the MLS? Talking about helping the chances, I think reaching the QF of the CL will open way more eyes than just winning the USL title !!! We've done it before, you've done it before, so what ? They're still talking about St-Louis, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 How many times has Rochester won the USL-1 (and other incarnations of the league) title? Has done nothing for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercanuck Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Krammerhead How many times has Rochester won the USL-1 (and other incarnations of the league) title? Has done nothing for them. Even building a stadium didn't work. I'm not sure about the Rochester market. It did look so up for that team, then it all fell apart. MLS is not the holy ground it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 You can add two US Open Cups to Rochester's accomplishments... but they are nowhere near MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I think winning the USL-1 championship or even just making the final during the same month that the Whitecaps MLS bid will be submitted will have an impact (no pun intended). I also think if the Impact can make it through to the next round of the CCL it will help their cause too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Richard I think winning the USL-1 championship or even just making the final during the same month that the Whitecaps MLS bid will be submitted will have an impact (no pun intended). I also think if the Impact can make it through to the next round of the CCL it will help their cause too. I'm not disagreeing but even simply making the group stages of CL helped our bid because it showed we could compete with an MLS team on a fraction of the budget and half home-grown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I can't see winning a minor league title doing anything for an MLS bid. It's just a minor league title. The CL is something completely different. The MLS could look at that and say, gee thats the kind of publicity we need in MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis_Rancagua Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 What counts at the end of the day is $$$$$$$$$$$$$. If you don't have it, then certainly you will not gain entry to MLS. Participating in the CL only adds big points to the big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the biologist Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Luis_Rancagua What counts at the end of the day is $$$$$$$$$$$$$. If you don't have it, then certainly you will not gain entry to MLS. Participating in the CL only adds big points to the big picture. Yep, unfortunately, you're right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Krammerhead I can't see winning a minor league title doing anything for an MLS bid. It's just a minor league title. The CL is something completely different. The MLS could look at that and say, gee thats the kind of publicity we need in MLS. Didn't mean to suggest it would be the clincher, just that it is another helpful check in the correct column, that's all. Compare with finishing at the bottom of the standings and not making the playoffs, very different feeling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Krammerhead I can't see winning a minor league title doing anything for an MLS bid. It's just a minor league title. It is a minor league title from a league that is seriously challenging MLS' claim to be the first division in North America. Just because MLS has major in their title doesn't make them the major league and USL the minor league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 6, 2008 Author Share Posted October 6, 2008 Does the USL have Beckham? No. Does the MLS get bigger crowds and bigger TV ratings? Yes. So we now know which is the bigger league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly It is a minor league title from a league that is seriously challenging MLS' claim to be the first division in North America. Just because MLS has major in their title doesn't make them the major league and USL the minor league. No, what makes the USL minor league is a lot of other things, like last nights decision to hold the final in Vancouver when their rules specify top seed hosts. Vancouver's last USL title did nothing as far as increasing prestige for the club, I don't see what another title will do. MLS will take the bid that they think is best, and winning USL titles will make not one difference in their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor Boy Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I agree with K'Head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I don't know if it really matters, but I'm sure the MLS will spin it that way if Vancouver does get in. The St Louis Group and their big soccer supporters are always talking about their soccer history, which highlights include a NASL club that lasted ten years and averaged about what the whitecaps do now and some trophies that they won before the war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpenza Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Krammerhead How many times has Rochester won the USL-1 (and other incarnations of the league) title? Has done nothing for them. Might be because the city is a sh!thole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Winning USL is a minor acheivement, a nice one but minor. I would love to be at the final though. It'll be electric. But of course it will be positive for the bid. You are in the news, you reiterate the idea that you are a serious club with a competitive mentality. It is the SAME club that wants to go up, not like the scenario that we saw in Toronto. Has to be a lot better than missing the playoffs. Any success in sport reflects positively, for what its worth. Nothing definitive but a help for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Krammerhead No, what makes the USL minor league is a lot of other things, like last nights decision to hold the final in Vancouver when their rules specify top seed hosts. Yes but I could make a pretty big list of minor league decisions made by MLS like for example forcing TFC to play a game when 9 players are away on international duty. As much as I disagree with Puerto Rico losing the home game for the final it has been one of the few such amateur decisions by the USL this year. I won't deny that MLS is better marketed and it does get better crowds but in terms of playing level it hasn't shown itself to be any more "major" than USL. One should note that in Champions League each USL team alone has more points than all four MLS teams combined. The Beckham example shows both the marketing genius and failures of the MLS. The strategy of MLS seems to be to sign one or two big names at high cost and surround them by cheap, inferior teammates instead of building the playing level of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Keano I'm not disagreeing but even simply making the group stages of CL helped our bid because it showed we could compete with an MLS team on a fraction of the budget and half home-grown. Agreed 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor Boy Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 The MLS is a disaster, Has the Beckham factor worked?? Well imo, not as long as you still have games played on pitches clearly marked out for Throwball, and no relegation. But North American sports owners are too pig headed to realise that relegation/promotion is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 No. The only thing that will help them is if they have a better bid than Portland. They have to show that they are that much better in other fields. I was the first one to rip the MLS for giving a team to Toronto because it wouldn`t work. I really think that either Portland or Vancouver will get one team to create a close rival with Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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