halfnhalf89 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 If he wins a usl title he surpasses dale mitchell's club achievements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Please lord not another Canadian USL level manager. We've had Duz, and Mitch recently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 It isn't hard to surpass Dale Mitchell's accomplishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 quote:Originally posted by halfnhalf89 If he wins a usl title he surpasses dale mitchell's club achievements As a coach? maybe. But certainly not as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 quote:Originally posted by halfnhalf89 If he wins a usl title he surpasses dale mitchell's club achievements You're not the only one that thinks so. quote:Originally posted by bettermirror Please lord not another Canadian USL level manager. We've had Duz, and Mitch recently! Do you really think it matters who we have managing our team for the next 2-3 years? (I'm assuming Mitchell stays on long enough to ensure there is no miracle finish and we are out of WCQ). I don't think any foreign coach will want to stay on for 6 years for a single run at the World Cup unless he is getting paid far more than we can ever afford. That said, I'd rather see Limniatis continue to be successful with Montreal than to preside over 6 or 7 friendlies a year until 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 quote:Originally posted by jonovision I don't think any foreign coach will want to stay on for 6 years for a single run at the World Cup unless he is getting paid far more than we can ever afford. Why do you say this? Do you mean coaches like Pekerman? I hope so, because there are literally thousands of other managers who have a better club coaching pedigree than Limniatis. Of these thousands, surely more than a few would be interested in a job that pays approximately $250k per year, with very few demands, and huge job security. Think about it. Finding a qualified foreign candidate is not the problem, the problem is the CSA won't look where it needs to because they are extremely short sighted and extremely under-qualified to recruit a capable manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 While I cheer MNT as much as Impact, I'd selfishly like Limniatis to saty here. Also I'm sure you're right that there are qualified foreign coaches who would take that cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone Why do you say this? Do you mean coaches like Pekerman? I hope so, because there are literally thousands of other managers who have a better club coaching pedigree than Limniatis. Of these thousands, surely more than a few would be interested in a job that pays approximately $250k per year, with very few demands, and huge job security. Think about it. Finding a qualified foreign candidate is not the problem, the problem is the CSA won't look where it needs to because they are extremely short sighted and extremely under-qualified to recruit a capable manager. So do you think a career manager in 2nd division Portugal is going to want to coach in Canada for 6 years because he might get a modest raise? Because that's what it sounds like. My own view is that once Mitchell is fired, Stephen Hart should do double duty until at least 2010. He can't be that busy as TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Limniatis has had a great but very short run with the Impact. As much as I support him as the Impact's coach it is far too soon to think of him as MNT coach. We had the same story last WCQ with a coach who had a bit of North American club success being hailed as our new saviour in Yallop and look how that turned out. We need an experienced coach who has had success at an international level in the past. I do not see any Canadian coaches who currently fit that description. Limniatis may now be the best Canadian candidate if we can not afford a foreign coach and may some day be coach of the MNT but he is not the person we should be hiring at this time. At the very least let him get far more experience at the club level and let him build up his resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Free kick As a coach? maybe. But certainly not as a player. A good player does not necessarily mean a competent coach and vice versa, different skillset. Criticism of Dale Mitchell as a coach does not in any way diminish his achievements as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 While Limniatis may be a step up from Dale Mitchell in the short term, apart from his half season with the Montreal Impact he really doesn't have a materially different resume from Dale Mitchell. While I advocate immediate replacement of Dale Mitchell I believe Steven Hart should take over as interim coach because of his proven success with the current crop of MNT players and we should seek to appoint an experienced and much better qualified (than either Mitchell or Limniatis) international coach. But since the CSA is essentially bankrupt - witness their reported plan to raise yet again the CSA tax on Canadian youth players in an effort to get out of the hole they have dug themselves through mismanagement and poor fiscal planning - I can't see it happening, so frankly guys, we're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 quote:Originally posted by jonovision So do you think a career manager in 2nd division Portugal is going to want to coach in Canada for 6 years because he might get a modest raise? Because that's what it sounds like. My own view is that once Mitchell is fired, Stephen Hart should do double duty until at least 2010. He can't be that busy as TD. Is that a question? If so, then I'd say yes, absolutely. And I would definitely consider interviewing some of the former Portuguese internationals that manager in the second division long before I'd talk to JL. There's Paulo Alves at Gil Vicente, Rui Bento at Boavista, Alvaro Magalhaes who just departed to manage in Romania, and Diamantino Miranda. I would wager that all make less than Mitchell and we can speculate their respective levels of interest but I think it's fair to say it would be high in every case. Why wouldn't it be? And that's just one European division mentioned at random. Don't forget, the Special One was at a level not much higher. Martin O'Neill managed Wycombe out of the non-league for 5 years. And he was a highly regarded footballer. We must stop mistaking our backward logic of the ostrich for "realism." The realistic approach is to get off your arse and interview enough people to find a suitable candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly Limniatis has had a great but very short run with the Impact. As much as I support him as the Impact's coach it is far too soon to think of him as MNT coach. We had the same story last WCQ with a coach who had a bit of North American club success being hailed as our new saviour in Yallop and look how that turned out. We need an experienced coach who has had success at an international level in the past. I do not see any Canadian coaches who currently fit that description. Limniatis may now be the best Canadian candidate if we can not afford a foreign coach and may some day be coach of the MNT but he is not the person we should be hiring at this time. At the very least let him get far more experience at the club level and let him build up his resume. Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 quote:Originally posted by The Beaver Couldn't agree more. It will also be very valuable to coaches in Canada to have a Canadian coaching at a high club level, something we've very rarely had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 I would like to see what Limniatis does at club level in the following season (and the next). Hopefully, his will be an upward track where he moves on to a higher league (MLS?) and by the time we get to the next WCQ we'll how his CV looks. Right now, he's on an up ... but in the future there will inevitably be downs: let's see how he handles the adversity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squid2 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone Finding a qualified foreign candidate is not the problem, the problem is the CSA won't look where it needs to because they are extremely short sighted and extremely under-qualified to recruit a capable manager. Absolutely correct!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone Why do you say this? Do you mean coaches like Pekerman? I hope so, because there are literally thousands of other managers who have a better club coaching pedigree than Limniatis. Of these thousands, surely more than a few would be interested in a job that pays approximately $250k per year, with very few demands, and huge job security. Think about it. Finding a qualified foreign candidate is not the problem, the problem is the CSA won't look where it needs to because they are extremely short sighted and extremely under-qualified to recruit a capable manager. applause!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone Why do you say this? Do you mean coaches like Pekerman? I hope so, because there are literally thousands of other managers who have a better club coaching pedigree than Limniatis. Of these thousands, surely more than a few would be interested in a job that pays approximately $250k per year, with very few demands, and huge job security. Think about it. Finding a qualified foreign candidate is not the problem, the problem is the CSA won't look where it needs to because they are extremely short sighted and extremely under-qualified to recruit a capable manager. applause!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTL_4_LIFE Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The CSA show look some where in Europe to find a coach. No more Canadian coachs. The men's national team needs to play a different way of soccer. No more kick and run soccer, its horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklefan Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I read from another topic that coaches in Canada are formed by amateurs, so we mustn't have canadians coaches in the MNT, Dale's job in WCQ was just patetic. I'd like to see a brazilian or an argentinian, that would help MNT to get better, we need to play another and more agessive style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Ault Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 quote:Originally posted by jonovision My own view is that once Mitchell is fired, Stephen Hart should do double duty until at least 2010. He can't be that busy as TD. With the state of development in this country he sure as hell should be the busiest guy in the CSA.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squid2 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Someone with WC experience... Someone with a history of international experience... Someone with a history of leading world class professionals... Someone with a history of preparing teams capable of competing and performing to their potential... Someone with a desire to overachieve... Someone with ambition and a point to prove!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 quote:Originally posted by squid2 Someone with WC experience... Someone with a history of international experience... Someone with a history of leading world class professionals... Someone with a history of preparing teams capable of competing and performing to their potential... Someone with a desire to overachieve... Someone with ambition and a point to prove!!! And someone who can stand up to Warner.... KEANO I wish he wasn't so freakin happy at the Stadium of Light Not that we'd ever afford him either ...nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The unfortunate fact is that the CSA is not going to pay what it takes to get a quality foreign manager. Thus, we are likely going to continue to have Canadian managers. If we are going to have a Canadian manager, I'd rather have the best Canadian manager possible. At this point, I think it's clear that Limniatis and Stephen Hart are both better than Mitchell. I'd be happy with either. I've watched Montreal throughout the Voyageurs Cup and the CCL and, unlike Dale Mitchell, Limniatis actually modifies his tactics to fit different situations. That, to me, makes him vastly superior to Mitchell. I'd take Limniatis in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Incedentaly, http://www.rds.ca/impact/chroniques/260907.html Limniatis nominated for USL coach of the year against the dude from the Islanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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