nolando Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I just saw him singing the Star Spangled Banner before today's game vs TFC - wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 that's all we need now!!!!.......... is he still on time to play for the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Who cares? he is playing for houston. He could have sang the Canadian one after for all we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted September 27, 2008 Author Share Posted September 27, 2008 I don't know...do you really think most foreign players sign the anthem of the country where there club team is? I kinda doubt it, but correct me if i'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 WTF Nolando??? You're in need of some drama or what? I don't know if most of the foreigners are singing nationals anthem but here Onstad is english speaking and living in the USA who happens to have an english speaking national anthem who is pretty recognizable for any canadian who have watch a bit of hockey during his youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted September 27, 2008 Author Share Posted September 27, 2008 Just struck me as strange...still strikes me as strange...wtf is your prob loyola - your logic states that becuase it is notable and in english that it is quite understandable that he is simging THEIR anthem - odd, man, very odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 My point was that since it's in english it's easier for an english speaking person to hum or sing to himself this very recognizable anthem. I'm pretty sure that most canadians watching TV do the same with the US anthem. My problem is that you started a thread with this non incident. As far as I know, Pat might have the US citizenship and I know at least a few players in our MNT pool does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 My point was that since it's in english it's easier for an english speaking person to hum or sing to himself this very recognizable anthem. I'm pretty sure that most canadians watching TV do the same with the US anthem. My problem is that you started a thread with this non incident. As far as I know, Pat might have the US citizenship and I know at least a few players in our MNT pool does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Onstad is a US citizen. Certainly anyone with dual citizenship should be entitled to sing the anthems of both countries. However, I think for a national team player for country A but for a club in country B might be better off refraining from this when his club team is playing a game in country A. It is not something I would get that upset about but it does seem a bit weird to see a national team player for your country singing the anthem of another country on your home soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 He probably just mad that he isn't starting for Canada anymore...so I guess this is his way to get back at us. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 When Brian Smolinski played for the Canucks, I often saw him singing the Canadian national anthem(he's American). I have no problem with Onstad singing the US anthem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly Onstad is a US citizen. Certainly anyone with dual citizenship should be entitled to sing the anthems of both countries. However, I think for a national team player for country A but for a club in country B might be better off refraining from this when his club team is playing a game in country A. It is not something I would get that upset about but it does seem a bit weird to see a national team player for your country singing the anthem of another country on your home soil. The only time I would feel bad about him singing the US anthem is when we are playing the US. But even there, I guess sometimes you sing or hum the anthem by reflex more than on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I sing the Catalan national anthem when they play friendlies, as far as I can remember the words. I don't sing the Spanish as it doesn't have words, they had a contest to put lyrics to it but everyone turned on the winner so they just dropped it. You would not catch me dead singing the US national anthem, though I admit that it is an excellent piece of words and music, if only the country could live up to the quality of its anthem. It does bother me that Onstad sang it, but I think the problem is even playing the damn things, a horrible idea and so stupid for club sports. But the players get nervous standing there and they have to something, so you sing it to pass the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly Onstad is a US citizen. Certainly anyone with dual citizenship should be entitled to sing the anthems of both countries. However, I think for a national team player for country A but for a club in country B might be better off refraining from this when his club team is playing a game in country A. It is not something I would get that upset about but it does seem a bit weird to see a national team player for your country singing the anthem of another country on your home soil. Are you sure he's a US citizen? As far as I am aware the USA does not normally permeit dual citizenship so has Onstad renounced his Canadian citizenship or does he have some special dispensation from the US government to hold dual citizenship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Richard As far as I am aware the USA does not normally permeit dual citizenship so has Onstad renounced his Canadian citizenship or does he have some special dispensation from the US government to hold dual citizenship? Wrong. They premit dual citizenship. My brother still has two passports and lives in Frisco, Texas. And I sing the US anthem out of respect when at events, because I know it and respect it. Do I get my own 'WTF?!?!?' on here now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvroArrow Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 In some (but, please note, not all) cases, a country may seek to restrict dual citizenship by requiring one of its citizens born with some other citizenship to renounce (give up) the other citizenship upon reaching adulthood. Similarly, newly naturalized citizens in some (but not all) countries are required to renounce their previous citizenship(s); the US has such a requirement, for example, but Canada does not. And in some (but, again, not all) cases, a country will automatically revoke the citizenship of one of its citizens who acquires another country's citizenship by naturalization, even if no explicit renunciation was involved. http://www.richw.org/dualcit/ According to any American border guard, a Canadian with dual American/Canadian citizenship is an American. They could care less about your Canadian passport. So while it is possible to have a both a Canadian and American passport, you'll have to get the American one first. (Unless you were born in Canada to American parents). However, there are all sorts of work visas Canadians can get in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 A work visa is not citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finchster Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Who cares? He lives in the USA works in the USA and is showing respect for the nation that allowed him to become a professonal soccer player. Who cares if he sang the US anthem? He puts on the red and white when asked. This is really a non-issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Hey maybe he is the last one that will sing the US n.a after the debacles in the last 2 weeks. They need all the help in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 The USA allows dual citizenship. Anyone doubting that can read the following from the US State Department: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html Pat Onstad is a US citizen. The following excerpt is from an article about Houston's visit to the Whitehouse when they won the MLS Championship: Goalkeeper Pat Onstad, a Canadian who became a U.S. citizen last year, hopes the visit will rub off on the team. "Hopefully, it's a little incentive to get invited back next year. We've got a long way to go right now. I'm excited to see how we turn it around. I am confident we will." http://voices.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/2007/05/white_house_guests.html As I stated it doesn't really bother me that much but I do find it a bit strange for a national team player to sing the anthem of another country on our soil. However, it certainly doesn't bother me far so much as all the goals he has gifted to other teams during various WCQ. If he was a good keeper for us he could sing the anthem of the Soviet Union for all I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 quote:Originally posted by john tv Hey maybe he is the last one that will sing the US n.a after the debacles in the last 2 weeks. They need all the help in the world. Weak. I give it a 2/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 In Europe, South America, Africa or Asia his car will be burned down in the parking lot for doing that....... but this is North American soccer, I know [)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 It's cool. Quite the proper thing to do I'd say given his circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxl Boy Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 That's another of the numerous reasons why national anthems shouldn't be played before club games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 quote:Originally posted by finchster Who cares? He lives in the USA works in the USA and is showing respect for the nation that allowed him to become a professonal soccer player. Y'know what? I bet that before some random game he decided to mouth the words to the anthem and then he went out and got a shutout or something like that. Dollars to donuts its superstition and nothing more than that. Mountain out of a molehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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