Richard Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Dobson: Playoffs a pipe dream - Sportsnet If Toronto FC brass and coaching staff didn't already know it, then they surely do now: Their team is simply not good enough. Well said Gerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Nice to see media coming up and saying TFC sucks! We need more of that now to put some pressure on TFC to make changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 I think the problem is more coaching to be honest. The final straw for me with John Carver was the way he put Ibrahim in for Ruiz in the 54th minute. Ibrahim may turn out to be a great player one day but right now he is a 17 year old kid who is out of his depth. With the season on the line you go with experience (i.e. Dichio and Ruiz) not with an inexperienced teenager. Given 21 points were accumulated after 13 games the playoffs should not have been a pipe dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Is it just me or is Ruiz really overweight? He's looking a tad sluggish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 People said that about Edson Buddle last season. Look how he is doing now in LA. Ruiz is not suited to a British style 4-4-2 in which Neanderthal route one tactics are being employed. He needs the ball worked in under control to feet. TFC actually do have players like Robinson, Ricketts and Guevara, who are capable of doing that given the right tactical setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 21, 2008 Author Share Posted September 21, 2008 From what I have seen Ruiz has not come close to living up to his billing when he was signed by TFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Ruiz didn't do much with LA either, and they do play a more fluid passing game. Mo Johnston is managing this team like it's 2004 (signing stars from the past) and John Carver is managing it like it's 1960. Simple fact is this team does not have the players or the coach to be successful. We're never going to be able to have a passing game until we start aquiring smarter players and ones with more technical ability on the ball. I cringe everytime our backline has to hold the football, they have no skill at all. Being able to faciliate a passing game is half the job of a modern defender, and that's even more important in a league like MLS that's heavy on possession. Nobody seems to have told that to the GM or the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Ruiz was a star a lot more recently than 2004. His problem in LA was first injury and then the emergence of Edson Buddle. Beyond that I can definitely see where you are coming from where the defence is concerned. Julius James and Marvel Wynne are a nightmare that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 This team fooled a lot of people early on (including me to an extent) but its been clear for the better part of 2-3 months that team is just downright awful. it's the worst soccer I watch by a long run. The guy I share season tickets with just stopped going to games...he found it all unwatchable. I've not gone to a live match in almost 6 weeks because its so unentertaining. The team is tactically retarded, is totally lacking on the management side of things, has reasonably skillful players playing alongside guys who don't have a whit of soccer talent or a clue as to how to play at a high level and, what's worst, I suspect many of these frauds will be back next year. One thing is for sure, I won't be at BMO next year. My season tickets will be available for purchase all next year. I'm going to try to profit from TFC the way they profit from me....I really don't care. I'll be back when I see that the club is run by people with a clue. To think that we could have had Tom Soehn running this team but MLSE chose Mo (probably because of that lovely Scottish accent...because Toronto fans won't trust soccer talk from someone unless their accent harkens back to the Isles....or so MLSE thought, certainly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 On the bright side, at least "it's all the fault of having so many Canadian players" has been shown to be the sham excuse most of us knew it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by VPjr To think that we could have had Tom Soehn running this team but MLSE chose Mo (probably because of that lovely Scottish accent...because Toronto fans won't trust soccer talk from someone unless their accent harkens back to the Isles....or so MLSE thought, certainly) uggh, don't tell me that. We could of had the guy who is a big part of one of the most successful MLS clubs around, but instead we went with a complete hack. I can just see them mulling this decision over in the board room now, insert marketing guy who goes "oh but he'll talk with his funny accent in the press and the fans will love it." Richard Peddie: "sold!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by ag futbol uggh, don't tell me that. We could of had the guy who is a big part of one of the most successful MLS clubs around, but instead we went with a complete hack. I can just see them mulling this decision over in the board room now, insert marketing guy who goes "oh but he'll talk with his funny accent in the press and the fans will love it." Richard Peddie: "sold!" Its true....Soehn and Mo were the finalists for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca On the bright side, at least "it's all the fault of having so many Canadian players" has been shown to be the sham excuse most of us knew it was. Yes, but now we have "it's the plastic pitch's fault". I wonder what it's going to be next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by VPjr Its true....Soehn and Mo were the finalists for the job. I thought that it was Yallop whom MLSEL approached first. After turning it down, Yallop recommended Mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca On the bright side, at least "it's all the fault of having so many Canadian players" has been shown to be the sham excuse most of us knew it was. No it hasn't. Reda and Braz are in USL-D1, Canizalez is in an Oberliga in Germany, while Pozniak is in the second tier in Scotland. Most of the affordable players with CMNT experience failed to make the grade in MLS and are now playing at a lower level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Free kick I thought that it was Yallop whom MLSEL approached first. After turning it down, Yallop recommended Mo. Yallop was definitely approached before Mo Johnston. I remember that as well. At the time Soehn had only been an assistant and had nothing like Mo Johnston't level of experience in the game given a lot of Soehn's playing career was actually in indoor soccer so the decision made was not that surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Free kick I thought that it was Yallop whom MLSEL approached first. After turning it down, Yallop recommended Mo. Yallop was definitely approached before Mo Johnston. I remember that as well. At the time Soehn had only been an assistant and had nothing like Mo Johnston't level of experience in the game given a lot of Soehn's playing career was actually in indoor soccer so the decision made was not that surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard No it hasn't. Reda and Braz are in USL-D1, Canizalez is in an Oberliga in Germany, while Pozniak is in the second tier in Scotland. Most of the affordable players with CMNT experience failed to make the grade in MLS. You missed the point entirely. Mo is now freed of having to have Canadians due to having 18 international spots. And he still can't put together a decent team. The strength of last year's Canadians on TFC is irrelevant. Anyways, I would take the Canadians who recently joined the Montreal Impact over most of the players on TFC's roster. In fact, I would take most of the Impact's roster over TFC's. At least they play with passion and try each game, even if they don't have the same overall skill level of TFC's better players. I also agree with El Hombre's point about the Field Turf. That is Mo Johnston's newest excuse. And for awhile TFC fans were eating it up. But you are finally starting to see cracks in that and a lot of TFC fans aren't happy anymore. I think I'm going to join VPjr's protest. I'm not attending this Saturdays' game because of a prior engagement and I will still go to the last game because it will be my last live game for months. But next season I am not putting TFC first in my life anymore. And I am definitely not spending any more money on this team other than my season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard No it hasn't. Reda and Braz are in USL-D1, Canizalez is in an Oberliga in Germany, while Pozniak is in the second tier in Scotland. Most of the affordable players with CMNT experience failed to make the grade in MLS. You missed the point entirely. Mo is now freed of having to have Canadians due to having 18 international spots. And he still can't put together a decent team. The strength of last year's Canadians on TFC is irrelevant. Anyways, I would take the Canadians who recently joined the Montreal Impact over most of the players on TFC's roster. In fact, I would take most of the Impact's roster over TFC's. At least they play with passion and try each game, even if they don't have the same overall skill level of TFC's better players. I also agree with El Hombre's point about the Field Turf. That is Mo Johnston's newest excuse. And for awhile TFC fans were eating it up. But you are finally starting to see cracks in that and a lot of TFC fans aren't happy anymore. I think I'm going to join VPjr's protest. I'm not attending this Saturdays' game because of a prior engagement and I will still go to the last game because it will be my last live game for months. But next season I am not putting TFC first in my life anymore. And I am definitely not spending any more money on this team other than my season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by El Hombre Yes, but now we have "it's the plastic pitch's fault". I wonder what it's going to be next year? The plastic pitch will be used as an excuse (no matter how well the team does) until they get rid of it, so it will be next year's excuse as well unless we get grass by that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by El Hombre Yes, but now we have "it's the plastic pitch's fault". I wonder what it's going to be next year? The plastic pitch will be used as an excuse (no matter how well the team does) until they get rid of it, so it will be next year's excuse as well unless we get grass by that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack You missed the point entirely. Mo is now freed of having to have Canadians due to having 18 international spots. And he still can't put together a decent team. The strength of last year's Canadians on TFC is irrelevant. I don't think I am the one missing the point. There was no guarantee of success when the rules were changed. Other MLS franchises fail to make the playoffs as well when depending primarily on American and international players. The difference is that there is a much larger pool of players available to rectify the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack You missed the point entirely. Mo is now freed of having to have Canadians due to having 18 international spots. And he still can't put together a decent team. The strength of last year's Canadians on TFC is irrelevant. I don't think I am the one missing the point. There was no guarantee of success when the rules were changed. Other MLS franchises fail to make the playoffs as well when depending primarily on American and international players. The difference is that there is a much larger pool of players available to rectify the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knottyleft Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 go the Athletic Bilbao approach...all Canadian Content...even in defeat I would still have true passion week in and week out for TFC....Its hard to swallow watching these washed out foreigners, giving way less to the fans that so blindly support this inferior product week in and week out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard I don't think I am the one missing the point. There was no guarantee of success when the rules were changed. Other MLS franchises fail to make the playoffs as well when depending primarily on American and international players. The difference is that there is a much larger pool of players available to rectify the situation. I agree that there is no guarantee of success, but the Canadian excuse is totally gone. I don't even know why you are arguing that it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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