Keegan Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I know we had a national pool thread. But I thought it would be nice to discuss the actual team, selections, positions, qualification and what you guys expect from this team. GK: Jaswinder Gill (89) U. of Alberta Michal Misiewicz (90) Sunderland Julien Latendresse-Levesque (91) Metz Adam Street (91) West Ham Robert Stillo (91) Genoa Marcel DeBellis (91) Benfica Karl Martens (89) A.F.C Tubize Defenders: Nana Attakora-Gyan (89) Toronto FC Gabe Gala (89) Toronto FC Kennedy Owusu-Ansah (89) Hertha BSC Alex Martinez (89) Atlas Nik Giannota (89) Unattached Eddy Sidra (89) Energie Cottbus Alex Suprenant (89) Montreal Tomasz Machul (89) 1860 München Paris Nakajima-Farran (89) Næstved BK Olivier Lacoste-Lebuis (90) Strasbourg Octavio Maginnis-Castro (90) Peterborough Utd. William Hyde (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Greg Smith (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Adam Straith (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Daniel Tannuous (90) Brown Univ. Robert Adam (90) Hearts Eric Leal (90) Unattached Ashtone Morgan (90) Toronto FC Midfielders: Shaun Saiko (89) Middlesborough Brandon Bonifacio (89) Cambuur-Leuwarden Joey Melo (89) Toronto FC Fabrice Lassonde (89) FC Ingolstadt Michael Pereira (89) Providence Dane Roberts (89) Furman Michael Nonni (89) Unattached Matt Lam (89) Ajax Amsterdam Derek Gaudet (89) Unattached Marinko Maras (89) Unattached Cody Cook (89) Energie Cottbus Michael Abusabal (89) Dep. Municipal Sean Rosa (90) Metz Devin Gunenc (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Philippe Davies (90) Vancouver Mohommed Sylla (90) Trois-Rivieres Alex Semenets (90) Vancouver Marcus Johnstone (90) Vancouver Teal Bunbury (90) U. of Akron Antonio Rago (90) Vancouver Gagandeep Dosanjh (90) Vancouver Kyle Bekker (90) Ajax (Unattached?) Taylor Lord (90) AS Monaco Drew Beckie (90) Real Colorado Kyle Porter (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Ethan Gage (91) Vancouver Nico Aravana (90) Rosario Central Fabian Troche (91) Asteras Tripolis Jonathan Parolini (91) Unattached Abde Sylla (92) Metz Forwards: Reid Fraser (89) UC-SB Marcus Haber (89) Unattached Todd Rutledge (89) Fairfield Mozesh Gyorio (89) NEC Nijmegen Vladimir Vukovic (89) FK Laktasi David Hoillett Jr. (90) St. Pauli Randy Edwini-Bonsu (90) Vancouver Kyle Porter (90) Vancouver Jarek Whiteman (90) Vancouver Adrian Pena (90) Toronto FC Chris Sheriffe (90) Unattached Dalvir Malhi (90) Unattached Cedric Carrie (90) Unattached Damien Merette (91) Nacional SP(?) Looking at that pool. Obviously we have to qualify anything less is a big disappointment. This is the deepest U20 squad I have ever seen from Canada. Amazing actually, the depth at full back, midfield and keeper is amazing. And even the forward crop is the best we've seen in years with Hoillet, Edwini-Bonsu, Haber and I've heard good things about others. Vukovic for example sees time in Bosnia. I tried to make a starting 11 but everyone is so damn good and I always forget a player no matter how hard I try to make a XI. How is this though? ------------------------Street------------------------ Owusu-Ansah-----Attakora-Gyan-----????????------Suprenant Saiko--------Bonifacio-------Lacoste-Lebuis----------Gala -------------Hoillet------Haber---------------------- Now I'm sure a lot of people are thinking. How could you not start so and so? Well I just don't know I haven't seen many of these players play so I can't judge most of them. Potential Bench Players: Stillio, Michal Misiewicz, Ethan Gage, Edwini-Bonsu, Nakajima-Farran, Melo, Gaudet, Merette, Vukovic, Gyorio, Troche, Both Syllas, Rosa, Lam, Lassonde..... the list goes on and on. Crazy actually. A good number of these guys play competitive minutes. Something a lot of Canadian past teams have lacked. Our whole midfield that has played some first team minutes, Saiko saw some time with Middlesbrough in pre-season. Lacoste-Lebuis plays in the CFA (?) Edwini-Bonsu, Gage and Suprenant have all played surprisingly a lot of USL minutes. Who should be the other center back? I guess Haber could be considering we have some forwards who could step in to start. Nik Giannota? Can someone tell me about these players? Ethan Gage sounds good and I already know Suprenant, Gala, Attakora-Gyan, Owusu-Ansah, Street, Hoillet are good players who should lead the team. What is going on with Owusu-Ansah? Anyone? He looked really good in that last U20 WC match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 nice to see marinko maras on the list. neat bit of trivia marinko maras is a close relative of former yankee great roger maris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dare431 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 The keepers list looks immense. Street was brilliant against Argentina U20s, he kept a clean sheet the first half. Michal Misiewicz was the keeper that came in the 2nd half wasn't he? A Canadian kid playing for West Ham's U18 team, even though he's younger than me he's still pretty much my hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 But then you have Robert Stillo who trains with Genoa and has impressed. Plus Michal with Sunderland, then a guy who just signed in the Belgium 1st division, Latendresse-Levesque started a game or two for our u17s, then a guy at Benfica who must be given a look. 2011 it will be crazy the amount of keepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefoot Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 this crop of players is a testament to the private academies that have cropped up across the country in the last ten years. as they grow in strength, and circumvent the usual provincial team set up, more and more quality canadian youth are gaining spots on big clubs abroad. really, the weakness comes through the CSA scouting and training programs, and the lack of elite coaching, trained coaches, experienced coaches, with licenses, experience in fully professional environments, who can guide this sort of pack into a really strong run through the next youth world cup. i am sure politics play a part in player selection, which is a factor in any sport, any club or country around the world. what i want to know is, what can the CSA offer at this point and time that can compete with the private academy and professional club development, to turn these boys into internationals. we need a better system for pulling this level of youth quality into a super combative group! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deschamp86 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Correction: I believe Tannous is at Maine, not Brown. Also, I think he also played for the TFC Academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 I didn't make the list I took it from the Pool thread but I added the Belgium league keeper. I think Sean Rosa is also at Brown now and not Metz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Here's our list of keepers in the 2005 pool: Roberto Giacomi (Glasgow Rangers) Asmir Begovic (Portsmouth) Tom Lindley (Sheffield United) Josh Wagenaar (Hartwick College) The first 3 had an impressive club situation at that time similar to the group we have now (JLL is with the Whitecaps BTW) and look at where they are now: Giacomi in Norway 3rd tier, Asmir and Josh in England 3rd tier and Lindley is playing NAIA soccer at Simon Fraser. So please, let's not get carried away with this again, Voyageurs have been guilty of that too many times. Being at a big club youth academy is not a guarantee that you'll have a pro career! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by loyola Being at a big club youth academy is not a guarantee that you'll have a pro career! very true... as to the person who asked who asked "what can the CSA offer at this point and time that can compete with the private academy and professional club development, to turn these boys into internationals", all I can say is that we need to stop lookin for the CSA to be involved in player development. This is supposed to be the responsibilities of the academies and clubs. If we had more pro clubs here in Canada, we would never talk about what the CSA is doing to develop players. That's not their job and yet they waste tremendous resources trying to do something they are not cut out for. The CSA should spend more time on encouraging the development of our clubs and let the clubs/academies and the coaches who work for them to focus on developing our players and find them the best opportunities for career advancement. The USSF has figured it out with the creation of the Club Academy program. The USSF has created the framework, established the parameters and then let the player development professionals go to it. The clubs that do the best job of developing players will be the ones that get the best players and success will breed more success, just like it should work in a free market system. The clubs that do a bad job of developing players will struggle to attract talent, struggle to retain coaches and may lose their spot in the program. this is the type of environment we need to create in Canada. Compared to the USSF program, the current NTC system here in Canada is an absolute farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Tomasz Machul is capped for Poland now. Forget about him. He was released by 1860 and is now with small club FK Pirmasens who play 4th tier or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefoot Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 for sure the clubs and academies take care of the development. i guess what i was implying is how can the CSA properly scout, recognize and combine talent to create teams that compete. i wonder how some of the private academies would do in relation to provincial or national teams. they train together longer, and the system of selection is based on business. the CSA has in a sense been left in the dust. along with the provincial team programs. they just don't seem as relevant as 10 years ago. good luck to this group of youth. hopefully a new wave of stars pops through! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Is Haber really unattached? If so, I'm not sure I like him in your hypothetical starting X1 Keegan. He was decent but not spectacular last cycle, and now doesn't even have a team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Bertuzzi44 Is Haber really unattached? If so, I'm not sure I like him in your hypothetical starting X1 Keegan. He was decent but not spectacular last cycle, and now doesn't even have a team? Haber is on trial with Gillingham. I think he should start, he has U20 WC experience although playing out of position as an underager. He was the youngest player to make the U23 team and the only 89. Here Marcus saw little time but looked good winning headers up front, A LOT better than Lombardo. Marcus is a good player. Which is why he saw a trial with Leeds and was very unlucky not to be signed after scoring and impressing in other matches. Also scored a bunch of goals for the u19 Groningen side, I think he was their top scorer. But I would like to see Edwini-Bonsu or another of the forwards challenge him for that spot. It is Haber's to lose but there are other strikers like Edwini-Bonsu, Gyorio and Vukovic who could take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Don't get too excited by big name clubs guys - it's happened before and it'll happen again. Get excited by performances. Not griding but close 2-1 losses to big nations who don't ever leave their first or second gear in friendlies. Get excited by exciting teams which possess the ball well and actually get results - or at least play for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by bettermirror Don't get too excited by big name clubs guys - it's happened before and it'll happen again. Get excited by performances. Not griding but close 2-1 losses to big nations who don't ever leave their first or second gear in friendlies. Get excited by exciting teams which possess the ball well and actually get results - or at least play for them! Im not excited by big names/clubs. Im excited by what I've seen. Street is class, Attakora-Gyan and Gala are getting MLS time. Ethan Gage started his first game vs. Montreal at 17... etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I'm excited about this team. I saw them play in Toronto and I think they have a pretty good batch of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontofc Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 People get too excited about Canadians abroad on this board. Really, there's no way anyone can have a solid opinion on this crop of players, unless you travel to Europe or across Canada to see them play for their clubs. A lot can happen between the ages of 17-20 to players, a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by torontofc People get too excited about Canadians abroad on this board. Really, there's no way anyone can have a solid opinion on this crop of players, unless you travel to Europe or across Canada to see them play for their clubs. A lot can happen between the ages of 17-20 to players, a lot. Ummm - I was making my opinion from when I saw the whole play live in Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontofc Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Oh, I wasn't aiming that at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 quote:Originally posted by leafdolfan Ummm - I was making my opinion from when I saw the whole play live in Toronto. against an Argentine C/D team. impossible to judge our players against that competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globules Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Keegan I know we had a national pool thread. But I thought it would be nice to discuss the actual team, selections, positions, qualification and what you guys expect from this team. GK: Jaswinder Gill (89) U. of Alberta Michal Misiewicz (90) Sunderland Julien Latendresse-Levesque (91) Metz Adam Street (91) West Ham Robert Stillo (91) Genoa Marcel DeBellis (91) Benfica Karl Martens (89) A.F.C Tubize Defenders: Nana Attakora-Gyan (89) Toronto FC Gabe Gala (89) Toronto FC Kennedy Owusu-Ansah (89) Hertha BSC Alex Martinez (89) Atlas Nik Giannota (89) Unattached Eddy Sidra (89) Energie Cottbus Alex Suprenant (89) Montreal Tomasz Machul (89) 1860 München Paris Nakajima-Farran (89) Næstved BK Olivier Lacoste-Lebuis (90) Strasbourg Octavio Maginnis-Castro (90) Peterborough Utd. William Hyde (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Greg Smith (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Adam Straith (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Daniel Tannuous (90) Brown Univ. Robert Adam (90) Hearts Eric Leal (90) Unattached Ashtone Morgan (90) Toronto FC Midfielders: Shaun Saiko (89) Middlesborough Brandon Bonifacio (89) Cambuur-Leuwarden Joey Melo (89) Toronto FC Fabrice Lassonde (89) FC Ingolstadt Michael Pereira (89) Providence Dane Roberts (89) Furman Michael Nonni (89) Unattached Matt Lam (89) Ajax Amsterdam Derek Gaudet (89) Unattached Marinko Maras (89) Unattached Cody Cook (89) Energie Cottbus Michael Abusabal (89) Dep. Municipal Sean Rosa (90) Metz Devin Gunenc (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Philippe Davies (90) Vancouver Mohommed Sylla (90) Trois-Rivieres Alex Semenets (90) Vancouver Marcus Johnstone (90) Vancouver Teal Bunbury (90) U. of Akron Antonio Rago (90) Vancouver Gagandeep Dosanjh (90) Vancouver Kyle Bekker (90) Ajax (Unattached?) Taylor Lord (90) AS Monaco Drew Beckie (90) Real Colorado Kyle Porter (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Ethan Gage (91) Vancouver Nico Aravana (90) Rosario Central Fabian Troche (91) Asteras Tripolis Jonathan Parolini (91) Unattached Abde Sylla (92) Metz Forwards: Reid Fraser (89) UC-SB Marcus Haber (89) Unattached Todd Rutledge (89) Fairfield Mozesh Gyorio (89) NEC Nijmegen Vladimir Vukovic (89) FK Laktasi David Hoillett Jr. (90) St. Pauli Randy Edwini-Bonsu (90) Vancouver Kyle Porter (90) Vancouver Jarek Whiteman (90) Vancouver Adrian Pena (90) Toronto FC Chris Sheriffe (90) Unattached Dalvir Malhi (90) Unattached Cedric Carrie (90) Unattached Damien Merette (91) Nacional SP(?) Looking at that pool. Obviously we have to qualify anything less is a big disappointment. This is the deepest U20 squad I have ever seen from Canada. Amazing actually, the depth at full back, midfield and keeper is amazing. And even the forward crop is the best we've seen in years with Hoillet, Edwini-Bonsu, Haber and I've heard good things about others. Vukovic for example sees time in Bosnia. I tried to make a starting 11 but everyone is so damn good and I always forget a player no matter how hard I try to make a XI. How is this though? ------------------------Street------------------------ Owusu-Ansah-----Attakora-Gyan-----????????------Suprenant Saiko--------Bonifacio-------Lacoste-Lebuis----------Gala -------------Hoillet------Haber---------------------- Now I'm sure a lot of people are thinking. How could you not start so and so? Well I just don't know I haven't seen many of these players play so I can't judge most of them. Potential Bench Players: Stillio, Michal Misiewicz, Ethan Gage, Edwini-Bonsu, Nakajima-Farran, Melo, Gaudet, Merette, Vukovic, Gyorio, Troche, Both Syllas, Rosa, Lam, Lassonde..... the list goes on and on. Crazy actually. A good number of these guys play competitive minutes. Something a lot of Canadian past teams have lacked. Our whole midfield that has played some first team minutes, Saiko saw some time with Middlesbrough in pre-season. Lacoste-Lebuis plays in the CFA (?) Edwini-Bonsu, Gage and Suprenant have all played surprisingly a lot of USL minutes. Who should be the other center back? I guess Haber could be considering we have some forwards who could step in to start. Nik Giannota? Can someone tell me about these players? Ethan Gage sounds good and I already know Suprenant, Gala, Attakora-Gyan, Owusu-Ansah, Street, Hoillet are good players who should lead the team. What is going on with Owusu-Ansah? Anyone? He looked really good in that last U20 WC match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globules Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Keegan I know we had a national pool thread. But I thought it would be nice to discuss the actual team, selections, positions, qualification and what you guys expect from this team. GK: Jaswinder Gill (89) U. of Alberta Michal Misiewicz (90) Sunderland Julien Latendresse-Levesque (91) Metz Adam Street (91) West Ham Robert Stillo (91) Genoa Marcel DeBellis (91) Benfica Karl Martens (89) A.F.C Tubize Defenders: Nana Attakora-Gyan (89) Toronto FC Gabe Gala (89) Toronto FC Kennedy Owusu-Ansah (89) Hertha BSC Alex Martinez (89) Atlas Nik Giannota (89) Unattached Eddy Sidra (89) Energie Cottbus Alex Suprenant (89) Montreal Tomasz Machul (89) 1860 München Paris Nakajima-Farran (89) Næstved BK Olivier Lacoste-Lebuis (90) Strasbourg Octavio Maginnis-Castro (90) Peterborough Utd. William Hyde (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Greg Smith (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Adam Straith (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Daniel Tannuous (90) Brown Univ. Robert Adam (90) Hearts Eric Leal (90) Unattached Ashtone Morgan (90) Toronto FC Midfielders: Shaun Saiko (89) Middlesborough Brandon Bonifacio (89) Cambuur-Leuwarden Joey Melo (89) Toronto FC Fabrice Lassonde (89) FC Ingolstadt Michael Pereira (89) Providence Dane Roberts (89) Furman Michael Nonni (89) Unattached Matt Lam (89) Ajax Amsterdam Derek Gaudet (89) Unattached Marinko Maras (89) Unattached Cody Cook (89) Energie Cottbus Michael Abusabal (89) Dep. Municipal Sean Rosa (90) Metz Devin Gunenc (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Philippe Davies (90) Vancouver Mohommed Sylla (90) Trois-Rivieres Alex Semenets (90) Vancouver Marcus Johnstone (90) Vancouver Teal Bunbury (90) U. of Akron Antonio Rago (90) Vancouver Gagandeep Dosanjh (90) Vancouver Kyle Bekker (90) Ajax (Unattached?) Taylor Lord (90) AS Monaco Drew Beckie (90) Real Colorado Kyle Porter (90) Vancouver/Energie Cottbus Ethan Gage (91) Vancouver Nico Aravana (90) Rosario Central Fabian Troche (91) Asteras Tripolis Jonathan Parolini (91) Unattached Abde Sylla (92) Metz Forwards: Reid Fraser (89) UC-SB Marcus Haber (89) Unattached Todd Rutledge (89) Fairfield Mozesh Gyorio (89) NEC Nijmegen Vladimir Vukovic (89) FK Laktasi David Hoillett Jr. (90) St. Pauli Randy Edwini-Bonsu (90) Vancouver Kyle Porter (90) Vancouver Jarek Whiteman (90) Vancouver Adrian Pena (90) Toronto FC Chris Sheriffe (90) Unattached Dalvir Malhi (90) Unattached Cedric Carrie (90) University of Mobile, Alabama Damien Merette (91) Nacional SP(?) Looking at that pool. Obviously we have to qualify anything less is a big disappointment. This is the deepest U20 squad I have ever seen from Canada. Amazing actually, the depth at full back, midfield and keeper is amazing. And even the forward crop is the best we've seen in years with Hoillet, Edwini-Bonsu, Haber and I've heard good things about others. Vukovic for example sees time in Bosnia. I tried to make a starting 11 but everyone is so damn good and I always forget a player no matter how hard I try to make a XI. How is this though? ------------------------Street------------------------ Owusu-Ansah-----Attakora-Gyan-----????????------Suprenant Saiko--------Bonifacio-------Lacoste-Lebuis----------Gala -------------Hoillet------Haber---------------------- Now I'm sure a lot of people are thinking. How could you not start so and so? Well I just don't know I haven't seen many of these players play so I can't judge most of them. Potential Bench Players: Stillio, Michal Misiewicz, Ethan Gage, Edwini-Bonsu, Nakajima-Farran, Melo, Gaudet, Merette, Vukovic, Gyorio, Troche, Both Syllas, Rosa, Lam, Lassonde..... the list goes on and on. Crazy actually. A good number of these guys play competitive minutes. Something a lot of Canadian past teams have lacked. Our whole midfield that has played some first team minutes, Saiko saw some time with Middlesbrough in pre-season. Lacoste-Lebuis plays in the CFA (?) Edwini-Bonsu, Gage and Suprenant have all played surprisingly a lot of USL minutes. Who should be the other center back? I guess Haber could be considering we have some forwards who could step in to start. Nik Giannota? Can someone tell me about these players? Ethan Gage sounds good and I already know Suprenant, Gala, Attakora-Gyan, Owusu-Ansah, Street, Hoillet are good players who should lead the team. What is going on with Owusu-Ansah? Anyone? He looked really good in that last U20 WC match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Globules. Get away from the keyboard. Hands up!!! Now slowly sit down. Put your head between your legs. Cuffs please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 quote:Originally posted by globules Oh No!! when have heard this before? I agree with the others. When you have never or hardly ever seen them play and know nothing about the opposition, those kind of comments serve no benefit. But we can comment on what we do know: 1) The U20 side ( except for the automatic qualification in 2007) has had a string of successfull qualification campaigns. 2) For the first time, we will have players who have had the benefit of domestic based professional deveopment and coaching through the new academies and reserve teams in TO and Van, plus some like Attakora-Gyan have seen some first team pro experience. Actually perhaps its the U17 rather than the U20 that will be a better measure of overall progress. The true measure of success ( as I view it) will be to, not only quality, but be competitive at the group stage at WCQ and score a few goals along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 ^ I think there's a far greater corrolation between professional success and success at the U20 level then with success at U17's. Too much can happen to an elite player between 17 and adulthood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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