tovan Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Its probably been discussed ad nauseum but one has to wonder about the wisdom of Tottenham's brain trust... Stalteri doesn't even make it on the bench anymore? They haven't exactly been tearing up the table this year nor last. Wouldn't one try something different if the same old approaches don't translate into results? Stalteri was arguably an instrumental piece in helping Fulham stay in the Premiership last season so I would say he's more than proven his worth. I don't get it, he's wasting away playing for the reserves... If he's not good enough to play for Spurs' first team or not part of their plans then the least they could do is loan him out or transfer him to another club. If you look at Spurs' record the last couple years, they were near the top of the table when Stalteri was starting regularly but they dropped like a rock since he's fallen out of favour. Coincidence perhaps? I'll let you guys debate that. I'm not saying he's a saviour or anything but just pointing out that he's definitely being overlooked. Just random thoughts, what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pootz Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 lol Spurs looked fine winning the Uefa cup last season wouldn't describe that as falling like a rock. Also considering they have sold off Carrick, Jenas, Keane, Berbatov and fired a coach in the past 2 seasons I think its safe to assume dropping Stalteri has not been their downfall. Tottenham as a club are trying to build into being a top 4 side in England. Stalteri is not a player that can help them achieve that...its not a knock on him he is a solid player for a side like Fulham (which was a bottom half team) but he isn't good enough to play in a top 10 side. In fact since dropping him they have actually gotten better at the back since doing so perhaps if you watched more football before posting something so ridiculous it would be better. Its always good to have "blinders" on for your favorite guys but trust me I know about 10 guys that live and die for Spurs and nobody is crying for Paul to get a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tovan Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 I thought Zenit St. Petersberg won the UEFA cup last year. Spurs did; however, win the League Cup if thats what you're refering to. That aside, going from 5th to 11th in the table is a considerable drop for a club trying to be a top 4 side and finishing 11th would make them a bottom half side. I'm not saying that Spurs' previous success was due to the fact that Stalteri was starting nor am I saying that he is of the quality that can bring them into the top 4. As you said, he is a solid player who would be able to serve other teams well. I do; however, think that it is a waste for him to languish in the reserves given his experience and age when the club won't even loan, release or transfer him. They could at least give him some playing time to try something different if they're not getting the results they want. Clearly he isn't in Ramos' plans and could potentially be worth something on the market. Thats why I ask, what are Spurs thinking? It'll be interesting to see what happens if they keep losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Spurs won the UEFA Cup? [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pootz Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 lol@me... stupid typo's I did the same thing earlier today talking about the NFL hall of fame...in Cooperstown...which is the baseball hall of fame since football is in canton Its been a long day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pootz Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by tovan I'm not saying that Spurs' previous success was due to the fact that Stalteri was starting nor am I saying that he is of the quality that can bring them into the top 4. As you said, he is a solid player who would be able to serve other teams well. I do; however, think that it is a waste for him to languish in the reserves given his experience and age when the club won't even loan, release or transfer him. Clearly he isn't in Ramos' plans and could potentially be worth something on the market. Thats why I ask, what are Spurs thinking? I thought you were implying that it was because of PS that they had such a good season before. Spurs have tried to off load him according to my mates in London. Problem is that the teams aren't willing to pay what Ramos wants for him. But Ramos doesn't want to play him either and is loath to sell players since the Uefa run this season is going to be tough with a smallish squad. I want a German club to come buy PS he fits that league well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Pootz lol Spurs looked fine winning the Uefa cup last season wouldn't describe that as falling like a rock. Also considering they have sold off Carrick, Jenas, Keane, Berbatov and fired a coach in the past 2 seasons I think its safe to assume dropping Stalteri has not been their downfall. Tottenham as a club are trying to build into being a top 4 side in England. Stalteri is not a player that can help them achieve that...its not a knock on him he is a solid player for a side like Fulham (which was a bottom half team) but he isn't good enough to play in a top 10 side. In fact since dropping him they have actually gotten better at the back since doing so perhaps if you watched more football before posting something so ridiculous it would be better. Its always good to have "blinders" on for your favorite guys but trust me I know about 10 guys that live and die for Spurs and nobody is crying for Paul to get a game. Someone on here's posting ridiculously but it's not Tovan. Spurs $h*t the bed a again toaday and lie bottom of the table with your precious "improved" backline. It's been demonstrated before in sport that you can't just buy every "B" star out there and expect to have a great team with chemistry. Why they think they can, at a long-standing, historical club like that is beyond me. Stalteri is the type of hard-working, heart-on-his-sleeve player you sacrifice when you try to splurge and fill your 11 with overpriced semi-stars from all over the world. They're paying the price now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pootz Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Keano Someone on here's posting ridiculously but it's not Tovan. Spurs $h*t the bed a again toaday and lie bottom of the table with your precious "improved" backline. It's been demonstrated before in sport that you can't just buy every "B" star out there and expect to have a great team with chemistry. Why they think they can, at a long-standing, historical club like that is beyond me. Stalteri is the type of hard-working, heart-on-his-sleeve player you sacrifice when you try to splurge and fill your 11 with overpriced semi-stars from all over the world. They're paying the price now. Sorry Keano but PS is not a player good enough to hold down a spot at Spurs...regardless if they are struggling atm (4 matches into the season) I don't why you guys think he is? Just because he is Canadian he is good? Who is he going to get a game over? Ledley King? Woodgate? Hutton? Bale? Dawson? Gilberto? The fact is Spurs didn't even assign him a number this season..they want to move him. Spurs problem have nothing to do with the backline...it all stems from the fact they have sold everyone who could actually score for them...Berba, Defoe, Keane all gone...also Carrick and Jenas are also gone. Unless PS is going to play striker he isn't getting a game at spurs no matter how much of his heart he wears on his sleeve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Pootz Sorry Keano but PS is not a player good enough to hold down a spot at Spurs...regardless if they are struggling atm (4 matches into the season) I don't why you guys think he is? Just because he is Canadian he is good? Who is he going to get a game over? Ledley King? Woodgate? Hutton? Bale? Dawson? Gilberto? The fact is Spurs didn't even assign him a number this season..they want to move him. Spurs problem have nothing to do with the backline...it all stems from the fact they have sold everyone who could actually score for them...Berba, Defoe, Keane all gone...also Carrick and Jenas are also gone. Unless PS is going to play striker he isn't getting a game at spurs no matter how much of his heart he wears on his sleeve. I'm not saying he can steal a starting spot from any the big names. I'm saying it's players like him, unspectacular and hard-working, who lose their spots when teams opt for the Chelski school of one-overpaid-superstar-per-field-position. It's lamentable because it doesn't work unless you're actually going to buy the absolute best at each position, not Corluka, Giovanni, and Gomez: due to the lack of team chemistry. Meanwhile guys who care and work hard are edged out because of thier names. I actually beleive Paul is the type of player that can hold down a position if well surrounded. Saying he could at Fullham but not at Spurs is a bit of a joke isn't it, Fullham look the better team so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Keano I'm not saying he can steal a starting spot from any the big names. I'm saying it's players like him, unspectacular and hard-working, who lose their spots when teams opt for the Chelski school of one-overpaid-superstar-per-field-position. It's lamentable because it doesn't work unless you're actually going to buy the absolute best at each position, not Corluka, Giovanni, and Gomez: due to the lack of team chemistry. Meanwhile guys who care and work hard are edged out because of thier names. I actually beleive Paul is the type of player that can hold down a position if well surrounded. Saying he could at Fullham but not at Spurs is a bit of a joke isn't it, Fullham look the better team so far! If you've watched Stalteri's performances in the last three Canada matches how can you say he is deserving of a starting position on Spurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Pootz Sorry Keano but PS is not a player good enough to hold down a spot at Spurs...regardless if they are struggling atm (4 matches into the season) I don't why you guys think he is? Just because he is Canadian he is good? Who is he going to get a game over? Ledley King? Woodgate? Hutton? Bale? Dawson? Gilberto? The fact is Spurs didn't even assign him a number this season..they want to move him. Spurs problem have nothing to do with the backline...it all stems from the fact they have sold everyone who could actually score for them...Berba, Defoe, Keane all gone...also Carrick and Jenas are also gone. Unless PS is going to play striker he isn't getting a game at spurs no matter how much of his heart he wears on his sleeve. Uhhh Pootz, I am diehard Spurs, and I have watched every minute of this season. First of all, Jenas is still there. I do agree that the loss of Carrick was the big one - their midfield has never recovered. But their problems have everything to do with the backline. King is only in every other game. Woodgate is a rock. Dawson has turned into a muppet. Hutton hasn't played yet this year. Bale is great going forward, not so great in defense. They look like a circus on set pieces, they cannot cover crosses, there is no communication. Stalteri is not an improvement on many of them but he could not be any worse - the defence is a shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villus Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 He has been our worst defender and arguably our worst player over the last few games. I don't think he is good enough to start for them from what he has shown, if he can get some games in somewhere and regain form who knows but as of right now he looks pretty bad in alot of areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by leafdolfan If you've watched Stalteri's performances in the last three Canada matches how can you say he is deserving of a starting position on Spurs? I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keano Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by villus He has been our worst defender and arguably our worst player over the last few games. I don't think he is good enough to start for them from what he has shown, if he can get some games in somewhere and regain form who knows but as of right now he looks pretty bad in alot of areas. It's not that his bad play for his country means he can't start in the Prem, it's more that not starting in the Prem has been responsible for his bad play for his country. Which I'm suggesting is an illustration of an extravagant and wasteful direction for Spurs which has eroded team chemistry and not helped them win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueviking Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 in 2005-06, stalteri played every minute for spurs and they conceded 38 goals (their lowest in 2 decades)...in 2006-2007, he only played 6 games and they gave up 54 goals...in 2007-2008, he didnt play at all and they gave up 61 goals. in the 13 games he played for fulham, their goals against average dropped by more than 1 goal over the previous 20 games. thats all im saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 if tottenham continue to play luka modric as a defensive midfielder the woes will continue play him at his natural position and amazing things will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knottyleft Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 modric needs to get pushed forward your right....as for Stalteri..his pace and defending skills are no where near the calibre of what Tottenham needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 He's got a lot of rust hanging off him right now. It's going to be tough for him everywhere. Boy oh boy. By Christmas it could be torches and pitchforks outside White Hart Lane. What am I saying? Christmas? Think there could be a very special bonfire this year come November if things keep going as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Dear Spurs; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaku_bert Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by trueviking in 2005-06, stalteri played every minute for spurs and they conceded 38 goals (their lowest in 2 decades)...in 2006-2007, he only played 6 games and they gave up 54 goals...in 2007-2008, he didnt play at all and they gave up 61 goals. in the 13 games he played for fulham, their goals against average dropped by more than 1 goal over the previous 20 games. thats all im saying. amen. The above speaks volumes about the factthat PS is by no means a star but he is is the kind of player that teams need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaku_bert Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by trueviking in 2005-06, stalteri played every minute for spurs and they conceded 38 goals (their lowest in 2 decades)...in 2006-2007, he only played 6 games and they gave up 54 goals...in 2007-2008, he didnt play at all and they gave up 61 goals. in the 13 games he played for fulham, their goals against average dropped by more than 1 goal over the previous 20 games. thats all im saying. amen. The above speaks volumes about the factthat PS is by no means a star but he is is the kind of player that teams need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by trueviking in 2005-06, stalteri played every minute for spurs and they conceded 38 goals (their lowest in 2 decades)...in 2006-2007, he only played 6 games and they gave up 54 goals...in 2007-2008, he didnt play at all and they gave up 61 goals. in the 13 games he played for fulham, their goals against average dropped by more than 1 goal over the previous 20 games. thats all im saying. The stats say one thing, yes, but I woulnd't want him near my starting XI if he shows in London like he does for Canada! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanKeay Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Stally is passed it, and definatly shouldnt be starting for spurs. Corluka was just brought in who is alot better, stronger and smarter then him. Plus we have Chris Hutton who is injured at the moment, there both alot better then stally. The issues of spurs letting in goals has to do with the fact there is no dmin or any kind of size outside the defenders. Im pretty sure, but i could be wrong. That our centre mid durrin the season that larry was playing was one of Edgar Davids and Michael Carrick..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knottyleft Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Exactly SeanKeay that midfield was a big part in the low goal totals that year Stalteri is not prem level sorry boys, SPL would suit him better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 a bit picky but - why do you guys keep saying THFC have sold Jenas? He "assisted" the Bent "goal" yesterday. And no, Stalteri is not good enough for the Spurs first eleven - his mobility just isn't there. He needs to move to a slower league. Germany is likely not that league anymore either as it is the highest scoring league in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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