Jarrek Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Sorry just had to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayorofeastyork Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 hey... the players may not have liked him, but at least we won some silverware with him at the helm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadasBest Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Given from what I remember of Holger's selections I think this is what his lineup would have looked like... ------------Onstad------------- --Stalteri--McKenna--Hastings-- ----DeGuzman-----Hutchinson---- Radzinski---------------Brennan -----------DeRosario----------- ------Friend------Gerba-------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 quote:Originally posted by mayorofeastyork hey... the players may not have liked him, but at least we won some silverware with him at the helm I agree, he was the real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Easily the best tactical coach we have ever had. One of the best I've seen in Concacaf as well. To bad he lacked the people skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis_Rancagua Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 I agree. Bring him back. I second this motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingham Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 He was a great (coin) Tosser!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 I'd think most, if not all, of the (on field) anti-Holger conspirators are retired by now are they not? Some of the board room ones are likely still around but who knows? Hell, it would make for a great story though wouldn't it. Really ratchet things up around here because you know, it's been kind of dull lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.T. Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 He was seen at BMO during the TFC-Chivas match... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Holger's record after three games in the semi-final round: 0 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 tie (0 goals scored, 4 allowed) Yallop's record after three games in the semi-final round: 0 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 tie (1 goal scored, 4 allowed) Mitchell's record after three games in the semi-final round: 0 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 tie (3 goals scored, 5 allowed) Just saying....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbrad Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 quote:Originally posted by gwallace76 Given from what I remember of Holger's selections I think this is what his lineup would have looked like... ------------Onstad------------- --Stalteri--McKenna--Hastings-- ----DeGuzman-----Hutchinson---- Radzinski---------------Brennan -----------DeRosario----------- ------Friend------Gerba-------- Radz would never play for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 If Cito can do it, so can Holger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Fan Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca Holger's record after three games in the semi-final round: 0 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 tie (0 goals scored, 4 allowed) Yallop's record after three games in the semi-final round: 0 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 tie (1 goal scored, 4 allowed) Mitchell's record after three games in the semi-final round: 0 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 tie (3 goals scored, 5 allowed) Just saying....... We seem to be improving. Maybe we can get to 1 loss 2 ties in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadasBest Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 quote:Originally posted by superbrad Radz would never play for him... You're right. I forgot about that one. Then he would have had Stalteri on right wing, and Serioux or someone at the back. But still. It's interesting to see what a coach like Holger would have been able to do 2 series later with the squad we have now. Holger didn't have any productive strikers back then. He also had some major injury woes going into WCQ. None of which are a factor this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 quote:Originally posted by SF Easily the best tactical coach we have ever had. One of the best I've seen in Concacaf as well. To bad he lacked the people skills. I think you might have this backwards. Holger's tactical approach with Canada was all men behind the ball, taking limited advantage counter attacking opportunities to gain set pieces. Some people didn't like him, but the players who did play were highly motivated. I'm not saying Mitchell is good tactically, but he's defintely a step behind Holger in terms of man management. People here give Dale credit for putting the our top players together, but every other manager in the world will sacrifice a couple players in order to make sure the work ethic is there and the team is competing. More than anything, Holger brought some European pedigree that most players respected. Obviously it's bad to alienate your best player, but overall I think Holger's strength was man management and not tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca Holger's record after three games in the semi-final round: 0 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 tie (0 goals scored, 4 allowed) Yallop's record after three games in the semi-final round: 0 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 tie (1 goal scored, 4 allowed) Mitchell's record after three games in the semi-final round: 0 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 tie (3 goals scored, 5 allowed) Just saying....... Different team for Holgar .......... give him this one and we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 quote:Originally posted by superbrad Radz would never play for him... Who cares he would have found somebody else, nobody is indispensable in a national team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 If Holger ever did come back it could only ever work for a short period of time. He treats players like children and that doesn't fly over the long-term. He'd be like a Mike Keenan; come in and kick some ass and get results at first, then when the players stop responding to him he gets turfed. I'd much rather bring him back as TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone I think you might have this backwards. Holger's tactical approach with Canada was all men behind the ball, taking limited advantage counter attacking opportunities to gain set pieces. Some people didn't like him, but the players who did play were highly motivated. I'm not saying Mitchell is good tactically, but he's defintely a step behind Holger in terms of man management. People here give Dale credit for putting the our top players together, but every other manager in the world will sacrifice a couple players in order to make sure the work ethic is there and the team is competing. More than anything, Holger brought some European pedigree that most players respected. Obviously it's bad to alienate your best player, but overall I think Holger's strength was man management and not tactics. Not sure how you can argue that a coach who was torpedoed by his players was a good man manager. The thing with his tactical approach was that I always felt like he had the right players in the right parts of the field. Also, we often played our best in the first 20 minutues of the second half - due to some nuanced tactical adjustments. I will say that his use of the substitutes bench was often flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 quote:Originally posted by SF I will say that his use of the substitutes bench was often flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper I will say that his use of the substitutes bench was often flawed. HO's name inspired me to do a search for the word 'Budalic'. Some of you might recall the friendly against Germany back in 2003. Germany used seven subs, Canada used 2. That was HO. If I recall correctly, in the Mexico-Canada WCQ at Varsity in 2000, Holger didn't use a single sub. If you were starting for HO, you had to be prepared to go 90. If you weren't starting for HO, you got splinters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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